Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

Agenda

Action Items

http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

action-113: richard spoke to aharon, won't probably work on it until html5 is stable

<trackbot> Notes added to action-113 Work on tidying up Additional Requirements for Bidi in HTML & CSS over coming couple of months.

close action-299

<trackbot> Closed action-299.

<scribe> ACTION: addison: forward tpac attendance survey thing to richard [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-307 - Forward tpac attendance survey thing to richard [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-06-05].

close action-303

<trackbot> Closed action-303.

close action-304

<trackbot> Closed action-304.

<r12a> http://rishida.net/blog/?p=1083

close action-305

<trackbot> Closed action-305.

close action-306

<trackbot> Closed action-306.

Info Share

<r12a> http://rishida.net/blog/?p=1037

<r12a> Typography questions for HTML & CSS:

<r12a> Effect of markup and styling on cursive script (eg. Arabic)

richard: people seeing my tweets
... so raising awareness via blog posts etc

<r12a> Typography questions for HTML & CSS:

<r12a> Korean line breaking rules

<r12a> http://rishida.net/blog/?p=1048

<r12a> Typography questions for HTML & CSS:

<r12a> Arabic justification

<r12a> http://rishida.net/blog/?p=1059

richard: taken from a talk I gave at MLWeb conf
... sums up some questions we have
... has links to other's articles
... in addition to the IDN universal access thing

RADAR

https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar#Scheduled_Last_Call_reviews

Tracking DNT http://www.w3.org/TR/tracking-dnt/

CSS Variables http://www.w3.org/TR/css-variables-1/

<scribe> ACTION: addison: ping new members if interested in reviewing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-308 - Ping new members if interested in reviewing [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-06-05].

Resolution to Publish Encoding as Last Call

http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-encoding-20140603/

<scribe> chair: do we support publication of Encoding as a Last Call WD?

<r12a> +1

addison: yes

<koji> +1

<matial> +1, no pb

<scribe> chair: resolved to publish

Establish Encoding Last Call Period

richard: 1 July would be about a month
... need 3 weeks minimum
... and we need to get to CR by September
... have to deal with comment

<scribe> chair: proposal is to end LC on 1 July 2014. All in favor?

addison: +1

<r12a> +1

<matial> +1

<koji> +1

<scribe> chair: resolved to end LC on 1 July

richard: will send pubreq tonight
... plh wanted status of testing

addison: talked to anne about that, kind of a weak area

<scribe> ACTION: addison: ping anne in writing about encoding tests seeking location(s) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-309 - Ping anne in writing about encoding tests seeking location(s) [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-06-05].

CSS3 Text Comments

http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/2

richard: koji asked me to mention that they will produce a new versoin in the summer
... could we plan to review it over the summer?

addison: absolutely

richard: went through a lot of them
... think we can close many of them

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/145

close issue-145

<trackbot> Closed issue-145.

http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/308

issue-309?

<trackbot> issue-309 -- Haphazard use of term 'character' -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/309

issue-310?

<trackbot> issue-310 -- (editorial) consistency in refering to Unicode web site -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/310

close issue-310

<trackbot> Closed issue-310.

issue-311?

<trackbot> issue-311 -- Clarity of Arabic hyphenation example -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/311

addison: uighur example?

richard: john hudson sent you an example
... but on thread for issue-345

close issue-311

<trackbot> Closed issue-311.

issue-312?

<trackbot> issue-312 -- (editorial) distribute keyword description -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/312

close issue-312

<trackbot> Closed issue-312.

issue: 313?

issue-313?

<trackbot> issue-313 -- Definition of grapheme clusters -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/313

issue-314?

<trackbot> issue-314 -- Line breaking and ruby -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/314

close issue-314

<trackbot> Closed issue-314.

issue-315?

<trackbot> issue-315 -- Reference to line breaking in KLREQ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/315

close issue-315

<trackbot> Closed issue-315.

issue-316?

<trackbot> issue-316 -- Line breaking defaults -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/316

koji: edits and feedback from wg
... david barron wants section to be testable
... suggestion we specify what ua has to do
... and make testable

richard: think I got your email

koji: oh, wait, different issue

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/#css3-text-transform2

richard: need to review
... need to determine situation regarding uax14 support

issue-317?

<trackbot> issue-317 -- Line breaking property and value names -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/317

richard: reordering done
... would have liked to have had an alias
... the current names have historical usage, per elika and koji

close issue-317

<trackbot> Closed issue-317.

issue-318?

<trackbot> issue-318 -- Tibetan line breaking & justification background info -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/318

close issue-318

<trackbot> Closed issue-318.

issue-319?

<trackbot> issue-319 -- word-break 'according to usual rules' -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/319

close issue-319

<trackbot> Closed issue-319.

issue-320?

<trackbot> issue-320 -- Example 6 -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/320

close issue-320

<trackbot> Closed issue-320.

issue-321?

<trackbot> issue-321 -- Naming of "start end" -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/321

issue-322?

<trackbot> issue-322 -- text-justify: auto should recommend international typographic accuracy -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/322

koji: this is the one I meant before (dbarron wants testable)
... should define best backward compatible algorithm or criteria

richard: encouraging people to do right thing because hard to specify

issue-323?

<trackbot> issue-323 -- Figures 3 to 5 -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/323

issue-324?

<trackbot> issue-324 -- distribute -> inter-character -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/324

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2014AprJun/0146.html

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/323

issue-324?

<trackbot> issue-324 -- distribute -> inter-character -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/324

close issue-324

<trackbot> Closed issue-324.

issue-325?

<trackbot> issue-325 -- expansion opportunity -> justification opportunity -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/325

close issue-325?

<trackbot> Closed issue-325.

issue-330?

<trackbot> issue-330 -- Tasmeem example not clear -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/330

<koji> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014May/0075.html

http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-text/#text-justify-property

richard: forward fantasai's email and then addison reply?

addison: okay

issue-331?

<trackbot> issue-331 -- No kashida style or relationship to styles 'distribute' and 'inter-word' -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/331

issue-332?

<trackbot> issue-332 -- Lack of complete kashida description -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/332

issue-333?

<trackbot> issue-333 -- 'letter-spacing' and Arabic -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/333

richard: example of indesign or similar
... there might be adjustments of the spaces inside words where the arabic letters don't actually physically join
... don't break letters apart

"fi s h"

issue-334?

<trackbot> issue-334 -- 'letter-spacing' and Indic -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/334

richard: for justification, sometimes the font makes a difference

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2014AprJun/0089.html

koji: wg acks that not everything can be done correctly
... maybe do something like counter style
... where we externalize the different cases

richard: maybe, for some things like kashida
... there are certain user preferences
... and CSS probably should provide the controls for user preferences

addison: maybe be explicit about what is not currently supported?

koji: maybe need something like ruby use cases: keep a list that is growing
... keep track of these items

richard: koji, do you want us to reply to all closed comments saying we're satisfied?

<scribe> ACTION: richard: send note to CSS about satisfaction on closed css3 text issues [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-310 - Send note to css about satisfaction on closed css3 text issues [on Richard Ishida - due 2014-06-05].

AOB?

<matial> Bye

<scribe> Scribe: Addison Phillips