IRC log of i18n on 2014-05-29
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be 4186
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- ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start now
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- Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 29 May 2014
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- Zakim, this will be 4186
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- ok, r12a; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start now
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- zakim, dial richard
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- ok, r12a; the call is being made
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- I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has now started
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- +Richard
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- zakim, ??p6 is me
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- +matial; got it
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- +koji
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- Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014May/0009.html
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- agenda?
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- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see Richard, matial, koji, aphillip
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- On IRC I see aphillip, koji, Zakim, RRSAgent, matial, r12a, trackbot
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- Regrets: JcK
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- Regrets+ David
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- ScribeNick: aphillip
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- Topic: Agenda
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- Topic: Action Items
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
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- action-113: richard spoke to aharon, won't probably work on it until html5 confirms dir is isolating
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- Notes added to action-113 Work on tidying up Additional Requirements for Bidi in HTML & CSS over coming couple of months.
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- close action-299
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- Closed action-299.
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- action: addison: forward tpac attendance survey thing to richard
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- Created ACTION-307 - Forward tpac attendance survey thing to richard [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-06-05].
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- close action-303
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- Closed action-303.
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- close action-304
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- Closed action-304.
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- http://rishida.net/blog/?p=1083
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- close action-305
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- Closed action-305.
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- close action-306
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- Closed action-306.
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- Topic: Info Share
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- http://rishida.net/blog/?p=1037
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- rrsagent, set logs world
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- Typography questions for HTML & CSS:
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- Effect of markup and styling on cursive script (eg. Arabic)
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- richard: people seeing my tweets
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- ... so raising awareness via blog posts etc
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- Typography questions for HTML & CSS:
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- Korean line breaking rules
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- http://rishida.net/blog/?p=1048
- 14:14:12 [aphillip]
- Chair: Addison Phillips
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- Typography questions for HTML & CSS:
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- Arabic justification
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- http://rishida.net/blog/?p=1059
- 14:14:34 [aphillip]
- richard: taken from a talk I gave at MLWeb conf
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- ... sums up some questions we have
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- ... has links to other's articles
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- ... in addition to the IDN universal access thing
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- ... so four posts in a few days after some inactivity
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- Topic: RADAR
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- https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar#Scheduled_Last_Call_reviews
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- Tracking DNT http://www.w3.org/TR/tracking-dnt/
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- CSS Variables http://www.w3.org/TR/css-variables-1/
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- action: addison: ping new members if interested in reviewing
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- Created ACTION-308 - Ping new members if interested in reviewing [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-06-05].
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- Topic: Resolution to Publish Encoding as Last Call
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- http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-encoding-20140603/
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- chair: do we support publication of Encoding as a Last Call WD?
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- +1
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- addison: yes
- 14:20:26 [koji]
- +1
- 14:20:47 [matial]
- +1, no pb
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- chair: resolved to publish
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- Topic: Establish Encoding Last Call Period
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- richard: 1 July would be about a month
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- ... need 3 weeks minimum
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- ... and we need to get to CR by September
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- ... have to deal with comment
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- chair: proposal is to end LC on 1 July 2014. All in favor?
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- addison: +1
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- +1
- 14:22:40 [matial]
- +1
- 14:23:10 [koji]
- +1
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- chair: resolved to end LC on 1 July
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- richard: will send pubreq tonight
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- ... plh wanted status of testing
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- addison: talked to anne about that, kind of a weak area
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- action: addison: ping anne in writing about encoding tests seeking location(s)
- 14:25:25 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-309 - Ping anne in writing about encoding tests seeking location(s) [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-06-05].
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- Topic: CSS3 Text Comments
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/2
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- richard: koji asked me to mention that they will produce a new versoin in the summer
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- ... could we plan to review it over the summer?
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- addison: absolutely
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- richard: went through a lot of them
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- ... think we can close many of them
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/145
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- close issue-145
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- Closed issue-145.
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/308
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- issue-309?
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- issue-309 -- Haphazard use of term 'character' -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/309
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- issue-310?
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- issue-310 -- (editorial) consistency in refering to Unicode web site -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/310
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- close issue-310
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- Closed issue-310.
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- issue-311?
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- issue-311 -- Clarity of Arabic hyphenation example -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/311
- 14:32:40 [aphillip]
- addison: uighur example?
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- richard: john hudson sent you an example
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- ... but on thread for issue-345
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- close issue-311
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- Closed issue-311.
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- issue-312?
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- issue-312 -- (editorial) distribute keyword description -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/312
- 14:35:20 [aphillip]
- close issue-312
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- Closed issue-312.
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- issue:313?
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- issue-313?
- 14:35:29 [trackbot]
- issue-313 -- Definition of grapheme clusters -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/313
- 14:39:14 [aphillip]
- issue-314?
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- issue-314 -- Line breaking and ruby -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/314
- 14:39:31 [aphillip]
- close issue-314
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- Closed issue-314.
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- issue-315?
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- issue-315 -- Reference to line breaking in KLREQ -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/315
- 14:40:10 [aphillip]
- close issue-315
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- Closed issue-315.
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- issue-316?
- 14:40:22 [trackbot]
- issue-316 -- Line breaking defaults -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/316
- 14:40:55 [aphillip]
- koji: edits and feedback from wg
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- ... david barron wants section to be testable
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- ... suggestion we specify what ua has to do
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- ... and make testable
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- richard: think I got your email
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- koji: oh, wait, different issue
- 14:42:36 [r12a]
- http://www.w3.org/International/tests/#css3-text-transform2
- 14:42:38 [aphillip]
- richard: need to review
- 14:42:58 [aphillip]
- ... need to determine situation regarding uax14 support
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- issue-317?
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- issue-317 -- Line breaking property and value names -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/317
- 14:44:11 [aphillip]
- richard: reordering done
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- ... would have liked to have had an alias
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- ... the current names have historical usage, per elika and koji
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- close issue-317
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- Closed issue-317.
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- issue-318?
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- issue-318 -- Tibetan line breaking & justification background info -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/318
- 14:45:05 [aphillip]
- close issue-318
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- Closed issue-318.
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- issue-319?
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- issue-319 -- word-break 'according to usual rules' -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/319
- 14:45:25 [aphillip]
- close issue-319
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- Closed issue-319.
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- issue-320?
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- issue-320 -- Example 6 -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/320
- 14:45:46 [aphillip]
- close issue-320
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- Closed issue-320.
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- issue-321?
- 14:45:50 [trackbot]
- issue-321 -- Naming of "start end" -- open
- 14:45:50 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/321
- 14:46:09 [aphillip]
- issue-322?
- 14:46:09 [trackbot]
- issue-322 -- text-justify: auto should recommend international typographic accuracy -- open
- 14:46:09 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/322
- 14:46:49 [aphillip]
- koji: this is the one I meant before (dbarron wants testable)
- 14:48:01 [aphillip]
- ... should define best backward compatible algorithm or criteria
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- richard: encouraging people to do right thing because hard to specify
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- issue-323?
- 14:48:40 [trackbot]
- issue-323 -- Figures 3 to 5 -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/323
- 14:50:56 [aphillip]
- issue-324?
- 14:50:56 [trackbot]
- issue-324 -- distribute -> inter-character -- open
- 14:50:56 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/324
- 14:51:52 [aphillip]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2014AprJun/0146.html
- 14:51:55 [r12a]
- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/323
- 14:53:05 [aphillip]
- issue-324?
- 14:53:05 [trackbot]
- issue-324 -- distribute -> inter-character -- open
- 14:53:05 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/324
- 14:53:40 [aphillip]
- close issue-324
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- Closed issue-324.
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- issue-325?
- 14:53:55 [trackbot]
- issue-325 -- expansion opportunity -> justification opportunity -- open
- 14:53:55 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/325
- 14:54:06 [aphillip]
- close issue-325?
- 14:54:06 [trackbot]
- Closed issue-325.
- 14:54:15 [aphillip]
- issue-330?
- 14:54:15 [trackbot]
- issue-330 -- Tasmeem example not clear -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/330
- 14:55:45 [koji]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014May/0075.html
- 14:57:22 [aphillip]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-text/#text-justify-property
- 14:59:41 [aphillip]
- richard: forward fantasai's email and then addison reply?
- 14:59:45 [aphillip]
- addison: okay
- 14:59:59 [aphillip]
- issue-331?
- 14:59:59 [trackbot]
- issue-331 -- No kashida style or relationship to styles 'distribute' and 'inter-word' -- open
- 14:59:59 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/331
- 15:00:38 [aphillip]
- issue-332?
- 15:00:38 [trackbot]
- issue-332 -- Lack of complete kashida description -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/332
- 15:02:57 [aphillip]
- issue-333?
- 15:02:57 [trackbot]
- issue-333 -- 'letter-spacing' and Arabic -- open
- 15:02:57 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/333
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- richard: example of indesign or similar
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- ... there might be adjustments of the spaces inside words where the arabic letters don't actually physically join
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- ... don't break letters apart
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- "fi s h"
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- issue-334?
- 15:08:21 [trackbot]
- issue-334 -- 'letter-spacing' and Indic -- open
- 15:08:21 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/334
- 15:09:07 [aphillip]
- richard: for justification, sometimes the font makes a difference
- 15:09:46 [aphillip]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2014AprJun/0089.html
- 15:11:01 [aphillip]
- koji: wg acks that not everything can be done correctly
- 15:11:06 [aphillip]
- ... maybe do something like counter style
- 15:11:24 [aphillip]
- ... where we externalize the different cases
- 15:12:09 [aphillip]
- richard: maybe, for some things like kashida
- 15:12:16 [aphillip]
- ... there are certain user preferences
- 15:12:35 [aphillip]
- ... and CSS probably should provide the controls for user preferences
- 15:14:50 [aphillip]
- addison: maybe be explicit about what is not currently supported?
- 15:15:21 [aphillip]
- koji: maybe need something like ruby use cases: keep a list that is growing
- 15:15:28 [aphillip]
- ... keep track of these items
- 15:18:43 [aphillip]
- richard: koji, do you want us to reply to all closed comments saying we're satisfied?
- 15:19:22 [aphillip]
- action: richard: send note to CSS about satisfaction on closed css3 text issues
- 15:19:22 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-310 - Send note to css about satisfaction on closed css3 text issues [on Richard Ishida - due 2014-06-05].
- 15:20:07 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 15:20:11 [aphillip]
- Topic: AOB?
- 15:20:43 [matial]
- Bye
- 15:20:47 [Zakim]
- -koji
- 15:20:49 [Zakim]
- -aphillip
- 15:20:51 [Zakim]
- -matial
- 15:20:59 [aphillip]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 15:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 15:21:06 [r12a]
- zakim, drop richard
- 15:21:07 [Zakim]
- Richard is being disconnected
- 15:21:07 [Zakim]
- I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
- 15:21:07 [Zakim]
- Attendees were Richard, matial, koji, aphillip
- 15:21:30 [aphillip]
- Present: Addison, Richard, Mati, Koji
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- Regrets+ Felix
- 15:21:59 [aphillip]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 15:22:26 [aphillip]
- Scribe: Addison Phillips
- 15:22:32 [aphillip]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 15:22:32 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 15:22:43 [aphillip]
- zakim, bye
- 15:22:43 [Zakim]
- Zakim has left #i18n
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- rrsagent, make minutes
- 15:23:48 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 15:23:51 [aphillip]
- rrsagent, bye
- 15:23:51 [RRSAgent]
- I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-actions.rdf :
- 15:23:51 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: addison: forward tpac attendance survey thing to richard [1]
- 15:23:51 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-irc#T14-10-14
- 15:23:51 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: addison: ping new members if interested in reviewing [2]
- 15:23:51 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-irc#T14-18-40
- 15:23:51 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: addison: ping anne in writing about encoding tests seeking location(s) [3]
- 15:23:51 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-irc#T14-25-24
- 15:23:51 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: richard: send note to CSS about satisfaction on closed css3 text issues [4]
- 15:23:51 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-irc#T15-19-22