Meeting Record

RDFa Task Force

Minutes of 21 June 2007

Agenda

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jun/0074.html

Seen

Unknown Ben_Adida, Unknown Mark, Unknown Ralph, Unknown RalphS, Unknown ShaneM, Unknown Steven, Unknown benadida, Unknown markbirbeck

Regrets

Unknown Michael

Chair

Unknown Ben

Scribe

Unknown Ralph

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

None.

Topics

Action Items
ISSUE-1: Reification
ISSUE-3: Role Attribute for rdf:type
ISSUE-6: lang attribute
@RESOURCE and @HREF
schedule

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14:59:09 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc

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14:59:20 <RalphS> Meeting: RDFa Task Force

14:59:27 <RalphS> zakim, this will be rdfa

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Unknown RalphS: zakim, this will be rdfa ←

14:59:27 <Zakim> ok, RalphS; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute

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15:01:25 <RalphS> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jun/0074.html

15:01:30 <RalphS> rrsagent, please make record public

Unknown RalphS: rrsagent, please make record public ←

15:01:49 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes previous 2007-06-14

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15:02:06 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started

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15:02:13 <Zakim> +Ralph

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15:02:14 <markbirbeck> be right along.....

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Unknown markbirbeck: be right along..... ←

15:04:10 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

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Unknown Steven: zakim, dial steven-617 ←

15:04:10 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

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15:04:11 <Zakim> +Steven

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15:05:49 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida

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15:05:51 <Zakim> +ShaneM

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15:06:05 <RalphS> Chair: Ben

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15:06:17 <benadida> zakim, pick a victim

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15:06:17 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ben_Adida

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15:06:24 <benadida> zakim, pick a victim

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15:06:24 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ralph

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15:06:33 <RalphS> Scribe: Ralph

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15:07:02 <RalphS> Regrets: Michael

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15:07:42 <RalphS> Topic: Action Items

1. Action Items

15:08:26 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben to add @RESOURCE and @HREF to his task list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action17]

ACTION: Ben to add @RESOURCE and @HREF to his task list [recorded in ACTION-17]">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-17] ←

15:08:41 <RalphS> -- done

Unknown RalphS: -- done ←

15:08:52 <RalphS> Ben: that action was to remind me to put those back on today's agenda

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Unknown Ben: that action was to remind me to put those back on today's agenda [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:08:54 <Zakim> +??P17

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P17 ←

15:08:59 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben to figure out the RDFa-GRDDL-profile URI (at w3.org) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]

ACTION: Ben to figure out the RDFa-GRDDL-profile URI (at w3.org) [recorded in ACTION-15]">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-15] ←

15:09:07 <RalphS> zakim, ??p17 is Mark

Unknown RalphS: zakim, ??p17 is Mark ←

15:09:07 <Zakim> +Mark; got it

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15:11:19 <RalphS> -- continues

Unknown RalphS: -- continues ←

15:11:26 <RalphS> Ben: I'm still gathering information

Unknown Ben: I'm still gathering information [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:11:37 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Ben to take care of issues 2, 5, 25,28, 29 via list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action16]

Unknown RalphS: [DONE] ACTION: Ben to take care of issues 2, 5, 25,28, 29 via list [recorded in ACTION-16]">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-16] ←

15:12:28 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben send email to SWD WG list summarizing RDFa document status [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]

ACTION: Ben send email to SWD WG list summarizing RDFa document status [recorded in ACTION-02]">http://www.w3.org/2007/05/31-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-02] ←

15:13:08 <RalphS> http://www.w3.org/2007/05/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action02

Unknown RalphS: ACTION-02">http://www.w3.org/2007/05/31-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-02 ←

15:14:07 <RalphS> http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#item03

Unknown RalphS: http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#item03 ←

15:15:42 <RalphS> Ben: we have Primer, Syntax, Use Cases, and Test Cases

Unknown Ben: we have Primer, Syntax, Use Cases, and Test Cases [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:15:58 <Steven> q+

Unknown Steven: q+ ←

15:16:12 <RalphS> ... Primer is in pretty good shape, Syntax has to be in shape in 4 to 6 weeks

Unknown RalphS: ... Primer is in pretty good shape, Syntax has to be in shape in 4 to 6 weeks ←

15:16:40 <RalphS> Steven: Shane would like the Syntax document integrated with the XHTML2 WG publication system

Unknown Steven: Shane would like the Syntax document integrated with the XHTML2 WG publication system [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:17:02 <RalphS> ... but that means dropping xmlspec

Unknown RalphS: ... but that means dropping xmlspec ←

15:17:03 <RalphS> Ben: we agreed that we would like to enlist Shane

Unknown Ben: we agreed that we would like to enlist Shane [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:17:15 <RalphS> ... so OK to move source to XHTML

Unknown RalphS: ... so OK to move source to XHTML ←

15:17:48 <RalphS> ... Shane said there wouldn't be much of the XHTML2 pubs syntax I need to learn for RDFa

Unknown RalphS: ... Shane said there wouldn't be much of the XHTML2 pubs syntax I need to learn for RDFa ←

15:18:48 <RalphS> Steven: I feel that only normative text should be Rec-track

Unknown Steven: I feel that only normative text should be Rec-track [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:19:09 <RalphS> ... I don't see the added value to put a primer through Rec

Unknown RalphS: ... I don't see the added value to put a primer through Rec ←

15:19:35 <RalphS> ... test cases can be part of a package with syntax; during CR the test cases are used

Unknown RalphS: ... test cases can be part of a package with syntax; during CR the test cases are used ←

15:19:44 <RalphS> ... but the test suite does not need to be Rec

Unknown RalphS: ... but the test suite does not need to be Rec ←

15:20:02 <RalphS> ... CR package is the Syntax document supported by the test cases

Unknown RalphS: ... CR package is the Syntax document supported by the test cases ←

15:20:34 <RalphS> ... in particular, test cases don't go in www.w3.org/TR because we want to be able to update them without going through a whole publication cycle

Unknown RalphS: ... in particular, test cases don't go in www.w3.org/TR because we want to be able to update them without going through a whole publication cycle ←

15:20:45 <RalphS> ... only the [Syntax] specification goes in /TR

Unknown RalphS: ... only the [Syntax] specification goes in /TR ←

15:20:58 <RalphS> Mark: that applies to DTDs and schemas as well

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Unknown Mark: that applies to DTDs and schemas as well [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:21:00 <RalphS> Steven: yes

Unknown Steven: yes [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:21:49 <RalphS> Mark: Ivan commented that CURIE spec was "nothing but a note"

Unknown Mark: Ivan commented that CURIE spec was "nothing but a note" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:21:57 <RalphS> Steven: I think CURIE should be Rec-track

Unknown Steven: I think CURIE should be Rec-track [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:22:08 <RalphS> Shane: Ivan was wrong -- CURIE is a Working Draft

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Unknown Shane: Ivan was wrong -- CURIE is a Working Draft [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:25:08 <RalphS> Ralph: historically, we've put our most up-to-date decisions about design into the Primer

Unknown Ralph: historically, we've put our most up-to-date decisions about design into the Primer [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:25:25 <RalphS> ... if we're deciding here that all normative text is only in the Syntax document, then I'm happy

Unknown RalphS: ... if we're deciding here that all normative text is only in the Syntax document, then I'm happy ←

15:25:49 <RalphS> Mark: if we keep the Primer as Note then we can update it more easily

Unknown Mark: if we keep the Primer as Note then we can update it more easily [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:26:25 <RalphS> ... and could update it to refer to design changes that would appear in a future Syntax draft

Unknown RalphS: ... and could update it to refer to design changes that would appear in a future Syntax draft ←

15:27:25 <RalphS> ... we can keep the notion of "RDFa core attributes" as a concept only, so long as the Syntax document is referring to HTML+RDFa

Unknown RalphS: ... we can keep the notion of "RDFa core attributes" as a concept only, so long as the Syntax document is referring to HTML+RDFa ←

15:28:47 <RalphS> Ben: Syntax and XHTML Modularization needs to be Rec-track.  Do we need to decide today whether they are a single document or two?

Unknown Ben: Syntax and XHTML Modularization needs to be Rec-track. Do we need to decide today whether they are a single document or two? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:28:51 <Steven> zakim, mute me

Unknown Steven: zakim, mute me ←

15:28:51 <Zakim> Steven should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Steven should now be muted ←

15:28:57 <RalphS> Mark: let's just create Syntax as RDFa+HTML

Unknown Mark: let's just create Syntax as RDFa+HTML [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:29:02 <Steven> ack me

Unknown Steven: ack me ←

15:29:05 <RalphS> ... later we could split out "core" attributes if we wish

Unknown RalphS: ... later we could split out "core" attributes if we wish ←

15:29:18 <RalphS> Ralph: yes, please, let's focus on [X]HTML

Unknown Ralph: yes, please, let's focus on [X]HTML [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:29:54 <RalphS> Ben: so Syntax document should be a single document with RDFa and HTML?

Unknown Ben: so Syntax document should be a single document with RDFa and HTML? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:30:22 <RalphS> Shane: my concern is that we'll duplicate content between the specification of the language and the syntax document

Unknown Shane: my concern is that we'll duplicate content between the specification of the language and the syntax document [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:30:33 <RalphS> ... to my mind, a syntax document is a set of processing rules

Unknown RalphS: ... to my mind, a syntax document is a set of processing rules ←

15:31:00 <RalphS> Mark: if there was a section of processing rules at the beginning of a document describing RDFa in the context of HTML, is that OK?

Unknown Mark: if there was a section of processing rules at the beginning of a document describing RDFa in the context of HTML, is that OK? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:31:15 <RalphS> ... we know we could always extract that section into another document later

Unknown RalphS: ... we know we could always extract that section into another document later ←

15:31:41 <RalphS> Shane: there are other documents we haven't talked about; e.g. XHTML+RDFa -- an existing specification of modules

Unknown Shane: there are other documents we haven't talked about; e.g. XHTML+RDFa -- an existing specification of modules [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:31:59 <RalphS> ... [the modularization document] should refer to the syntax document

Unknown RalphS: ... [the modularization document] should refer to the syntax document ←

15:32:17 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml-rdfa-20070417/

Unknown Steven: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml-rdfa-20070417/ ←

15:32:38 <RalphS> Mark: instead of a generic RDFa document plus a separate RDFa+HTML+modularization document, we just merge everything into one document

Unknown Mark: instead of a generic RDFa document plus a separate RDFa+HTML+modularization document, we just merge everything into one document [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:33:03 <RalphS> ... one document with 2 appendices; a DTD appendix and a Modularization appendix

Unknown RalphS: ... one document with 2 appendices; a DTD appendix and a Modularization appendix ←

15:33:21 <RalphS> Ben: I'll document this to the SWD WG list and this Task Force list

Unknown Ben: I'll document this to the SWD WG list and this Task Force list [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:37:03 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←

15:37:06 <RalphS> -- continues

Unknown RalphS: -- continues ←

15:37:17 <RalphS> Ben: Michael has started this, however

Unknown Ben: Michael has started this, however [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:37:36 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa/RDFCoverage RDF features covered by RDFa

Unknown RalphS: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa/RDFCoverage RDF features covered by RDFa ←

15:37:45 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]

ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in ACTION-04]">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-04] ←

15:37:46 <RalphS> -- continues

Unknown RalphS: -- continues ←

15:39:11 <RalphS> Mark: I previously mentioned a meeting at XTech between Mark, Elias, me, and some Joost folk

Unknown Mark: I previously mentioned a meeting at XTech between Mark, Elias, me, and some Joost folk [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:39:29 <RalphS> ... we feel we've settled XMLliteral with them

Unknown RalphS: ... we feel we've settled XMLliteral with them ←

15:40:10 <RalphS> Ben: I'm hoping to get Elias to write some documentation for operator RDFa

Unknown Ben: I'm hoping to get Elias to write some documentation for operator RDFa [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:40:18 <RalphS> ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]

ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in ACTION-10]">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-10] ←

15:40:20 <RalphS> -- continues

Unknown RalphS: -- continues ←

15:40:29 <RalphS> ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/23-htmltf-minutes.html#action08]

ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in ACTION-08]">http://www.w3.org/2006/10/23-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-08] ←

15:40:31 <RalphS> -- continues

Unknown RalphS: -- continues ←

15:40:48 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Mark to write up a consistent story on the @SRC attribute [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action17]

Unknown RalphS: [DONE] ACTION: Mark to write up a consistent story on the @SRC attribute [recorded in ACTION-17]">http://www.w3.org/2007/04/23-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-17] ←

15:41:04 <RalphS> Mark: I'm proposing to treat this specifically for IMG

Unknown Mark: I'm proposing to treat this specifically for IMG [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:41:26 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jun/0085.html [Proposal] ISSUE-42: How does RDFa deal with @src [Mark 2007-06-21]

Unknown RalphS: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jun/0085.html [Proposal] ISSUE-42: How does RDFa deal with @src [Mark 2007-06-21] ←

15:41:39 <RalphS> ACTION: MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action25]

ACTION: MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content [recorded in ACTION-25]">http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-25] ←

15:41:42 <RalphS> -- continues

Unknown RalphS: -- continues ←

15:41:55 <RalphS> Mark: this is very difficult.  I will post what I have thus far but it might not be resolvable

Unknown Mark: this is very difficult. I will post what I have thus far but it might not be resolvable [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:42:03 <RalphS> ACTION: MichaelH to do partitioning of TCs, freeze the XHTML1.1+RDFa, and invite implementors to comment. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]

ACTION: MichaelH to do partitioning of TCs, freeze the XHTML1.1+RDFa, and invite implementors to comment. [recorded in ACTION-13]">http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-13] ←

15:42:06 <RalphS> -- continues

Unknown RalphS: -- continues ←

15:42:10 <RalphS> ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc. [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←

15:42:19 <RalphS> -- continues

Unknown RalphS: -- continues ←

15:42:30 <RalphS> Steven: I've done it to some extent, but periodically update it

Unknown Steven: I've done it to some extent, but periodically update it [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:42:35 <RalphS> ACTION: Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]

ACTION: Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] ←

15:42:38 <RalphS> -- continues

Unknown RalphS: -- continues ←

15:43:31 <RalphS> Topic: ISSUE-1: Reification

2. ISSUE-1: Reification

15:43:45 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/1 ISSUE-1

Unknown RalphS: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/1 ISSUE-1 ←

15:43:55 <RalphS> Ben: I believe the outstanding proposal is highly outdated

Unknown Ben: I believe the outstanding proposal is highly outdated [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:44:11 <RalphS> ... given the current trend, it sounds to me like we should not support reification

Unknown RalphS: ... given the current trend, it sounds to me like we should not support reification ←

15:45:21 <RalphS> ... is this easy to resolve now?  If not, we'll leave it to another meeting for more discussion

Unknown RalphS: ... is this easy to resolve now? If not, we'll leave it to another meeting for more discussion ←

15:46:20 <RalphS> Ben: I will propose to POSTPONE this issue

Unknown Ben: I will propose to POSTPONE this issue [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:46:43 <RalphS> ... i.e. not in version 1, possibly to be revisited for a future version

Unknown RalphS: ... i.e. not in version 1, possibly to be revisited for a future version ←

15:46:55 <RalphS> Topic: ISSUE-3: Role Attribute for rdf:type

3. ISSUE-3: Role Attribute for rdf:type

15:47:05 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/3 ISSUE-3

Unknown RalphS: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/3 ISSUE-3 ←

15:48:10 <RalphS> Ben: on the principle of not changing current WD too much, I suggest we stick with what's in the WD now

Unknown Ben: on the principle of not changing current WD too much, I suggest we stick with what's in the WD now [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:48:31 <RalphS> Mark, Steven: ok

Unknown RalphS: Mark, Steven: ok ←

15:48:46 <RalphS> Topic: ISSUE-6: lang attribute

4. ISSUE-6: lang attribute

15:48:54 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/6 ISSUE-6

Unknown RalphS: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/6 ISSUE-6 ←

15:49:06 <RalphS> Ben: this concerns details of how xml:lang is inherited, etc.

Unknown Ben: this concerns details of how xml:lang is inherited, etc. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:49:14 <RalphS> ... I will schedule this for a future meeting

Unknown RalphS: ... I will schedule this for a future meeting ←

15:49:28 <RalphS> Topic: @RESOURCE and @HREF

5. @RESOURCE and @HREF

15:49:48 <RalphS> Mark: I was getting the sense that the mail discussion felt this would lead us out of a trap

Unknown Mark: I was getting the sense that the mail discussion felt this would lead us out of a trap [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:49:57 <RalphS> ... I particularly like that it is clear there's a different attribute

Unknown RalphS: ... I particularly like that it is clear there's a different attribute ←

15:50:19 <RalphS> ... and that this would support having an object anywhere in the document

Unknown RalphS: ... and that this would support having an object anywhere in the document ←

15:50:34 <RalphS> Steven: I'm still not happy about this one; I find it a complication

Unknown Steven: I'm still not happy about this one; I find it a complication [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:51:29 <RalphS> Ben: I may have to revisit my own position, as yesterday I noticed a use of @HREF on SPAN in Creative Commons, so people may not be as uncomfortable with HREF other places as I thought

Unknown Ben: I may have to revisit my own position, as yesterday I noticed a use of @HREF on SPAN in Creative Commons, so people may not be as uncomfortable with HREF other places as I thought [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:52:28 <RalphS> Mark: while I still don't agree that @HREF everywhere is confusing, as I looked into this more I decided that we should define a set of core attributes that always have the same meaning

Unknown Mark: while I still don't agree that @HREF everywhere is confusing, as I looked into this more I decided that we should define a set of core attributes that always have the same meaning [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:52:37 <RalphS> ... the host language can layer additional semantics on top

Unknown RalphS: ... the host language can layer additional semantics on top ←

15:53:01 <RalphS> ... so @HREF may add navigation semantics on top of @RESOURCE

Unknown RalphS: ... so @HREF may add navigation semantics on top of @RESOURCE ←

15:53:21 <RalphS> ... and we'd still like to be able to refer to non-navigable [objects]

Unknown RalphS: ... and we'd still like to be able to refer to non-navigable [objects] ←

15:54:18 <RalphS> Shane: I've been persuaded by Mark's argument plus another one regarding evolution of the language

Unknown Shane: I've been persuaded by Mark's argument plus another one regarding evolution of the language [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:54:59 <RalphS> ... if clicking an element today does nothing even though it has @HREF but in the future things change so the same document is interpreted differently, [that would be a problem]

Unknown RalphS: ... if clicking an element today does nothing even though it has @HREF but in the future things change so the same document is interpreted differently, [that would be a problem] ←

15:55:25 <RalphS> Steven: I have a problem encoding within a document that a reference is non-navigable.  Later if you want it to be navigable you have to change the document

Unknown Steven: I have a problem encoding within a document that a reference is non-navigable. Later if you want it to be navigable you have to change the document [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:56:17 <RalphS> Mark: the Joost use case is interesting; they use @HREF and @ABOUT and don't expect navigation; they'd have to use ID to get navigation

Unknown Mark: the Joost use case is interesting; they use @HREF and @ABOUT and don't expect navigation; they'd have to use ID to get navigation [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:56:33 <RalphS> Ben: do they use @HREF on A or on something else?

Unknown Ben: do they use @HREF on A or on something else? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:56:41 <RalphS> Mark: @HREF on LINK

Unknown Mark: @HREF on LINK [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:57:29 <RalphS> Ben: could you discuss the @HREF, @RESOURCE question with them again, please?

Unknown Ben: could you discuss the @HREF, @RESOURCE question with them again, please? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:57:46 <RalphS> ACTION: Mark get input from Joost on @HREF everywhere

ACTION: Mark get input from Joost on @HREF everywhere ←

15:58:20 <RalphS> Mark: RDF makes a distinction between resources and information resources; @HREF doesn't permit that distinction

Unknown Mark: RDF makes a distinction between resources and information resources; @HREF doesn't permit that distinction [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:58:34 <RalphS> ... @HREF means "navigable link" in HTML

Unknown RalphS: ... @HREF means "navigable link" in HTML ←

15:58:56 <RalphS> Steven: it's only RDF that adds the interpretation that links don't have to be navigable

Unknown Steven: it's only RDF that adds the interpretation that links don't have to be navigable [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:59:42 <RalphS> Mark: in a pre-RDFa world the difference doesn't occur; you use @HREF to indicate navigation and you use RDF/XML for everything else

Unknown Mark: in a pre-RDFa world the difference doesn't occur; you use @HREF to indicate navigation and you use RDF/XML for everything else [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

16:00:22 <RalphS> ... @RESOURCE has simple semantics and @HREF adds navigation to those semantics

Unknown RalphS: ... @RESOURCE has simple semantics and @HREF adds navigation to those semantics ←

16:01:04 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben get further input from Creative Commons on @RESOURCE and @HREF

ACTION: Ben get further input from Creative Commons on @RESOURCE and @HREF ←

16:02:01 <RalphS> Topic: schedule

6. schedule

16:02:12 <RalphS> Ben: we're slipping today's deadline on test cases

Unknown Ben: we're slipping today's deadline on test cases [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

16:02:21 <RalphS> ... July 12 to resolve issues

Unknown RalphS: ... July 12 to resolve issues ←

16:02:45 <RalphS> ... I'll push a lot of these issues in email

Unknown RalphS: ... I'll push a lot of these issues in email ←

16:02:55 <RalphS> next meeting: 28 June

Unknown RalphS: next meeting: 28 June ←

16:02:58 <Zakim> -Steven

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16:02:59 <Zakim> -ShaneM

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16:03:00 <Zakim> -Mark

Zakim IRC Bot: -Mark ←

16:03:00 <RalphS> [adjourned]

Unknown RalphS: [adjourned] ←

16:03:03 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida

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16:03:05 <Zakim> -Ralph

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ralph ←

16:03:06 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended ←

16:03:08 <Zakim> Attendees were Ralph, Steven, Ben_Adida, ShaneM, Mark

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Ralph, Steven, Ben_Adida, ShaneM, Mark ←

16:03:10 <benadida> thanks Ralph for scribing :)

Unknown benadida: thanks Ralph for scribing :) ←

16:03:15 <RalphS> rrsagent, please draft minutes

Unknown RalphS: rrsagent, please draft minutes ←

16:03:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-minutes.html RalphS

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-minutes.html RalphS ←

16:03:43 <RalphS> zakim, bye

Unknown RalphS: zakim, bye ←

16:04:19 <RalphS> rrsagent, bye

Unknown RalphS: rrsagent, bye ←

16:04:19 <RRSAgent> I see 13 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-actions.rdf :

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16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to add @RESOURCE and @HREF to his task list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action17] [1]

ACTION: Ben to add @RESOURCE and @HREF to his task list [recorded in ACTION-17]">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-17] [1] ←

16:04:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-08-26

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16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to figure out the RDFa-GRDDL-profile URI (at w3.org) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action15] [2]

ACTION: Ben to figure out the RDFa-GRDDL-profile URI (at w3.org) [recorded in ACTION-15]">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-15] [2] ←

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16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben send email to SWD WG list summarizing RDFa document status [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action02] [3]

ACTION: Ben send email to SWD WG list summarizing RDFa document status [recorded in ACTION-02]">http://www.w3.org/2007/05/31-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-02] [3] ←

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16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action01] [4]

ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#ACTION-01] [4] ←

16:04:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-37-03

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16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] [5]

ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in ACTION-04]">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-04] [5] ←

16:04:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-37-45

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16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10] [6]

ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in ACTION-10]">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-10] [6] ←

16:04:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-40-18

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16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/23-htmltf-minutes.html#action08] [7]

ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in ACTION-08]">http://www.w3.org/2006/10/23-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-08] [7] ←

16:04:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-40-29

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16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action25] [8]

ACTION: MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content [recorded in ACTION-25]">http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-25] [8] ←

16:04:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-41-39

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16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: MichaelH to do partitioning of TCs, freeze the XHTML1.1+RDFa, and invite implementors to comment. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action13] [9]

ACTION: MichaelH to do partitioning of TCs, freeze the XHTML1.1+RDFa, and invite implementors to comment. [recorded in ACTION-13]">http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-13] [9] ←

16:04:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-42-03

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16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-htmltf-minutes.html#action01] [10]

ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc. [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-01] [10] ←

16:04:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-42-10

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16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action11] [11]

ACTION: Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] [11] ←

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16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark get input from Joost on @HREF everywhere [12]

ACTION: Mark get input from Joost on @HREF everywhere [12] ←

16:04:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-57-46

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16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben get further input from Creative Commons on @RESOURCE and @HREF [13]

ACTION: Ben get further input from Creative Commons on @RESOURCE and @HREF [13] ←

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