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<trackbot> Date: 15 October 2009
<scribe> scribe: Harper_Simon
<scribe> ScribeNick: sharper
<scribe> meeting: User Agent Working Group Telecon - 15 October 2009
Scribe schedule and scribing help: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/scribing.html
Attendance survey: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20090922/
Open Action Items: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/open
Open Issues: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/open
Current editors draft: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2009/ED-UAAG20-20090722/
<kford> Something sounds like a wind tunnel gone mad!
KF: No logistical stuff to add
3 accepts / 1 change
GL It should not be if a __ track "is present" but if a ____ track "is being presented", as these restrictions should not apply if a track is present but disabled by a user option (e.g. audio muted, or the user chooses to turn off one or more tracks).
• Just out of curiosity, what behavior is expected when audio and video are not synchronized?
KF: Greg's Changes OK?
JR: Wording tweak:
as long as they are played at 75% of the original speed or higher.
=> down to 75% of the original speed.
WCAG,ATAG-style would put "; and" on each item for clarity
KF: What about Jan's Comments?
ALL: discussion re Jan's wording - clarity only.
KP: lets spell it all out using explicit from and to's
<Greg> "when played at 75-100% of the original speed"
<Greg> "when audio and video tracks are expected to be synchronized, synchronization is maintained when played at 75% through 100% of the original speed."?
<Greg> "when audio and video tracks are expected to be synchronized, synchronization is maintained as long as they are played between 75% and 100% of the original speed."
<Greg> "if a visual track is being presented, provide at least one setting between 40% and 60% of the original speed."
<Greg> "f only an audio track is being presented, provide at least one setting between 75% and 80% of the original speed."
<Greg> "if only an audio track is being presented, provide at least one setting between 75% and 80% of the original speed."
4.9.6 Slow Multimedia: The user can slow the presentation rate of recognized prerecorded audio and animation content, such that all of the following are true (Level A): * if only an audio track is being presented, provide at least one setting between 75% and 80% of the original speed. * if only a visual track is being presented, provide at least one setting between 40% and 60% of the original speed. * when audio and video tracks are expected to be
synchronized, synchronization is maintained as long as they are played between 75% and 100% of the original speed.
<Greg> Here's the complete revision:
<Greg> 4.9.6 Slow Multimedia: The user can slow the presentation rate of recognized prerecorded audio and animation content, such that all of the following are true (Level A):
<Greg> * if only an audio track is being presented, provide at least one setting between 75% and 80% of the original speed.
<Greg> * if a visual track is being presented, provide at least one setting between 40% and 60% of the original speed.
<Greg> * when audio and video tracks are expected to be synchronized, synchronization is maintained as long as they are played between 75% and 100% of the original speed.
RESOLUTION: 4.9.6 Slow Multimedia: The user can slow the presentation rate of recognized prerecorded audio and animation content, such that all of the following are true (Level A): * if only an audio track is being presented, provide at least one setting between 75% and 80% of the original speed. * if a visual track is being presented, provide at least one setting between 40% and 60% of the original speed. * when audio and video tracks are expected to be synchron
synchronization is maintained as long as they are played between 75% and 100% of the original speed.
<jeanne> ACTION: JS to update 4.6 with the text above. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-236 - Update 4.6 with the text above. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-10-22].
<jeanne> Resolution: Accept the recommended changes for 4.6
item: 4.9.X Increase Multimedia http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20090930/results#xq5
Results: 2 accept / 1 changes / 1 more discussion
All: General discussion regarding
wording of this point
... suggested - if only an audio track is presented, support
playback speeds of between 110% and 250% of the original
speed
KF: discussion as to why there is a disparity between the two guidelines for increasing and slowing multimedia
<jeanne> ACTION: JS not to make changes to 4.6 until the issue of consistency of the number ranges between the related guidelines is resolved. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-237 - Not to make changes to 4.6 until the issue of consistency of the number ranges between the related guidelines is resolved. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-10-22].
ALL: After further discussion 4.9.6 is called into question (the speeds, ranges, and sync types)
RESOLUTION: RESIND this resolution 4.9.6 Slow Multimedia
RESOLUTION: RESIND Action 236
KF: do we need both speed up and slow down as separate points? Seems Not.
<scribe> ACTION: mth revise guidelines 4.9.6 to reflect that multimedia playback should represent the full spectrum of playback, synchronisation, and audio characteristics [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - mth
<scribe> ACTION: mhakkine revise guidelines 4.9.6 to reflect that multimedia playback should represent the full spectrum of playback, synchronisation, and audio characteristics [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-238 - Revise guidelines 4.9.6 to reflect that multimedia playback should represent the full spectrum of playback, synchronisation, and audio characteristics [on Markku Hakkinen - due 2009-10-22].
Resolved: with action-238 on MH
1 accept / 2 more discussion / 1 neutral
Proposed
3.5.x Container overflow options. When text resized by the user overflows the containing element the user has the option to either: (a) expand the size of the containing element to display the text or (b) to override any author setting preventing scrollbars in order to display all of the text
ALL: general discussion as to how
this is implemented Greg, gives us a breakdown of this in HTML
4.01
... GL: accept this as a good goal - now on to wording
'3.5.x Container overflow options.When content overflows the containing element the user has the option to either: (a) expand the size of the containing element to display the content or (b) to override any author setting preventing scrolling in order to display all of the content'
<Greg> Revised draft: 3.5.x Container overflow options. When content overflows its containing element the user has the option to either: (a) expand the size of the containing element to display the content, or (b) to override any author setting that prevent scrolling, in order to make all of the content available.
<Greg> Revised draft #2: 3.5.x Container overflow options. When content overflows its containing element the user has the option to either: (a) expand the size of the containing element to display the content, or (b) to enable scrolling in order to make all of the content available.
<Greg> Revised draft #3: 3.5.x Container overflow options. When content overflows its containing element the user has the option to override author settings to display the entire content by either: (a) expanding the sizes of containing elements to display their content, or (b) enable scrolling.
<Greg> Revised draft 4: 3.5.x Container overflow options. When content overflows its containing element the user has the option to display the entire content by either: (a) expanding the sizes of containing elements, or (b) enable scrolling. This would override any author-specified settings.
<Greg> Revised draft 5: 3.5.x Container overflow options. When content overflows its containing element the user has the option to display the entire content by either: (a) expanding the sizes of containing elements, or (b) enabling scrolling. This would override any author-specified settings.
3.5.x Container overflow options. When content overflows its containing element the user has the option to override any author-specified settings and display the entire content by either: (a) expanding the sizes of containing elements, or (b) enabling scrolling.
3.5.x Container overflow options. When content overflows its containing element the user has the option to override any author-specified settings so as to display the entire content by either: (a) expanding the sizes of containing elements, or (b) enabling scrolling.
<Greg> I think we're trying to get UA to make this a global option, rather than a per-container option; do we want to make that explicit? That actually is an issue for a large number of SC in the guidelines.
<scribe> ACTION: Jeanne on updating the draft to incorporate 3.5.x Container overflow options. When content overflows its containing element the user has the option to override any author-specified settings so as to display the entire content by either: (a) expanding the sizes of containing elements, or (b) enabling scrolling. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-239 - On updating the draft to incorporate 3.5.x Container overflow options. When content overflows its containing element the user has the option to override any author-specified settings so as to display the entire content by either: (a) expanding the sizes of containing elements, or (b) enabling scrolling. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-10-22].
RESOLUTION: 3.5.x Container overflow options. When content overflows its containing element the user has the option to override any author-specified settings so as to display the entire content by either: (a) expanding the sizes of containing elements, or (b) enabling scrolling.
<jeanne> ACTION: JS to add 3.5.x with the updated text above [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-240 - Add 3.5.x with the updated text above [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-10-22].
KF: trying to find out who will be attending
ALL: giving availability and status
RESOLUTION: Deferred to next weeks meeting 22 October 2009
RESOLUTION: Deferred to next weeks meeting 22 October 2009
RESOLUTION: Non this week.
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