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Results of Questionnaire WCAG2ICT-SC 2.5.7 Dragging Movements draft review

The results of this questionnaire are available to anybody. In addition, answers are sent to the following email address: maryjom@us.ibm.com

This questionnaire was open from 2023-10-20 to 2023-11-01.

9 answers have been received.

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  1. Review of proposed content for 2.5.7 Success Criterion Dragging Movements
  2. 2.5.7 Dragging Movements relevance to SC problematic for Closed Functionality
  3. Adding the new term "dragging movements"

1. Review of proposed content for 2.5.7 Success Criterion Dragging Movements

Review the draft proposal for Applying SC 2.5.7 Dragging Movements to Non-Web Documents and Software. Indicate whether this proposal is ready to incorporate into the editor's draft and note any desired changes.

Summary

ChoiceAll responders
Results
The proposed content is ready to incorporate into the editor's draft, as-is. 6
The proposed content is ready to incorporate into the editor's draft, with the following changes. 3
The proposal isn't ready yet.

Details

Responder Review of proposed content for 2.5.7 Success Criterion Dragging MovementsComments
Phil Day The proposed content is ready to incorporate into the editor's draft, as-is.
Olivia Hogan-Stark The proposed content is ready to incorporate into the editor's draft, as-is.
Mary Jo Mueller The proposed content is ready to incorporate into the editor's draft, with the following changes. Wondering if we should have separate non-web document and non-web software notes more similar to the ones we developed for SC 2.5.1 Pointer Gestures. This was done because user agents are software applications, so we want to scope them into meeting this SC. See https://deploy-preview-245--wcag2ict.netlify.app/#applying-sc-2-5-1-pointer-gestures-to-non-web-documents-and-software

If we did this to be consistent with 2.5.1, the bullets might look more like this:

(non-web documents)

NOTE: This requirement applies to [content] that interprets pointer actions (i.e. this does not apply to actions that are required to operate the user agent or assistive technology).

(non-web software)

NOTE: This requirement applies to [non-web software] that interprets pointer actions (i.e. this does not apply to actions that are required to operate the [underlying platform software] or assistive technology).
Loïc Martínez Normand The proposed content is ready to incorporate into the editor's draft, with the following changes. I agree with Mary Jo's proposal of separate notes for non-web documents and non-web software, to make clear that non-web documents must deal with the SC if they go beyond user-agent input management, and that non-web software do so the same, but in relation with the underlying software platform.

I'm also suggesting to add a second note for non-web documents, based on note 2 for 2.5.1:

Note 2

Dragging movements for operation are less common in documents. An example where a document author could add such input is an interactive prototype document created in a software design tool.
Bruce Bailey The proposed content is ready to incorporate into the editor's draft, as-is. I am not clear what WCAG2ICT should say about non-web documents. Application to non-web software is spot on.
Mike Pluke The proposed content is ready to incorporate into the editor's draft, with the following changes. I agree with Mary Jo's comment about separating the guidance for software and to documents.
Devanshu Chandra The proposed content is ready to incorporate into the editor's draft, as-is.
Sam Ogami The proposed content is ready to incorporate into the editor's draft, as-is.
Gregg Vanderheiden The proposed content is ready to incorporate into the editor's draft, as-is.

2. 2.5.7 Dragging Movements relevance to SC problematic for Closed Functionality

Is a bullet needed in the SC Problematic for Closed Functionality section for 2.5.7 Dragging Movements? If so, please suggest the text.

Summary

ChoiceAll responders
Results
No bullet needed. Applies, as written, to closed functionality software. 9
Bullet needed in the SC problematic for closed functionality section. Explain.

Details

Responder 2.5.7 Dragging Movements relevance to SC problematic for Closed FunctionalityComments
Phil Day No bullet needed. Applies, as written, to closed functionality software. Any examples I can think of with Closed functionality using dragging would fall under the 'essential' exception and are therefore already covered by the SC.
Olivia Hogan-Stark No bullet needed. Applies, as written, to closed functionality software.
Mary Jo Mueller No bullet needed. Applies, as written, to closed functionality software.
Loïc Martínez Normand No bullet needed. Applies, as written, to closed functionality software.
Bruce Bailey No bullet needed. Applies, as written, to closed functionality software. 2.5.7 is not problematic for Closed Functionality section. A bit off topic, but this question reminds me that I think we need a search and replace on "closed functionality software" to "software with closed functionality".
Mike Pluke No bullet needed. Applies, as written, to closed functionality software.
Devanshu Chandra No bullet needed. Applies, as written, to closed functionality software.
Sam Ogami No bullet needed. Applies, as written, to closed functionality software.
Gregg Vanderheiden No bullet needed. Applies, as written, to closed functionality software.

3. Adding the new term "dragging movements"

Review the WCAG definition for dragging movements. Indicate whether this term can be added to the section "Glossary Items that Apply to All Technologies". If not, indicate what specific non-web guidance is needed.

Summary

ChoiceAll responders
Results
Yes, the term applies to all technologies. 9
No, the term needs some WCAG2ICT guidance. Explain.

Details

Responder Adding the new term "dragging movements"Comments
Phil Day Yes, the term applies to all technologies.
Olivia Hogan-Stark Yes, the term applies to all technologies.
Mary Jo Mueller Yes, the term applies to all technologies.
Loïc Martínez Normand Yes, the term applies to all technologies.
Bruce Bailey Yes, the term applies to all technologies.
Mike Pluke Yes, the term applies to all technologies.
Devanshu Chandra Yes, the term applies to all technologies.
Sam Ogami Yes, the term applies to all technologies.
Gregg Vanderheiden Yes, the term applies to all technologies. the definition is bad -- and should have been changed in WCAG as well.

Dragging motions are used for many things -- and are dragging motions even when " the element (or a representation of its position) " does NOT follow the pointer.

but we can't change WCAG -- and this applies here exactly the same as it does in WCAG -- so ....

but if we want to we could say

"Applies as written with x replacing y (as usual) but add a note

NOTE: With some dragging motions " the element (or a representation of its position) " does not follow the cursor.

More details on responses

  • Phil Day: last responded on 30, October 2023 at 12:56 (UTC)
  • Olivia Hogan-Stark: last responded on 31, October 2023 at 18:39 (UTC)
  • Mary Jo Mueller: last responded on 1, November 2023 at 15:59 (UTC)
  • Loïc Martínez Normand: last responded on 1, November 2023 at 16:25 (UTC)
  • Bruce Bailey: last responded on 1, November 2023 at 18:56 (UTC)
  • Mike Pluke: last responded on 1, November 2023 at 19:09 (UTC)
  • Devanshu Chandra: last responded on 1, November 2023 at 19:46 (UTC)
  • Sam Ogami: last responded on 1, November 2023 at 22:38 (UTC)
  • Gregg Vanderheiden: last responded on 2, November 2023 at 04:02 (UTC)

Non-responders

The following persons have not answered the questionnaire:

  1. Shadi Abou-Zahra
  2. Chris Loiselle
  3. Mitchell Evan
  4. Charles Adams
  5. Daniel Montalvo
  6. Fernanda Bonnin
  7. Shawn Thompson
  8. Laura Miller
  9. Anastasia Lanz
  10. Bryan Trogdon
  11. Thorsten Katzmann
  12. Tony Holland
  13. Kent Boucher

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