Technical Architecture Group Teleconference

next scribe should be Peter

ht: F2F minutes, tuesday's minutes were out yesterday, there are still work to do in there (mark in red)

tim: I worked on those

ht: let's postpone until next week

so for all, we need you to review tuesday's minutes

ht: there is a draft action form Robin (on tuesday), but it didn't make it in the action list

<noah> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/04/03-minutes

noah: we should probably assign that issue

<noah> Based on imperfect record in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/04/03-minutes assigning

<noah> ACTION: Robin to draft scope and goals for the Patterns/Pitfalls work in local/remote storage synch [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-693 - Draft scope and goals for the Patterns/Pitfalls work in local/remote storage synch [on Robin Berjon - due 2012-04-19].

Administrative items

Chair solicits guidance on level of TAG interest in issues like the proposed http+aes URI scheme

<JeniT> +1 to have a brief look

timbl: interested to have something presented about it

<noah> ACTION: Noah to work up simple intro to http+aes uri scheme and schedule discussion, possibly with PLH - Due 2012-04-24 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-694 - work up simple intro to http+aes uri scheme and schedule discussion, possibly with PLH [on Noah Mendelsohn - due 2012-04-24].

Close pending Actions without discussion

there are 4 issues to be closed, talk now or else we will close them

<noah> Proposal to close in bulk ACTION-627,ACTION-662, ACTION-673, ACTION-674, ACTION-676

<noah> RESOLVED: to close in bulk ACTION-627,ACTION-662, ACTION-673, ACTION-674, ACTION-676

close ACTION-627

<trackbot> ACTION-627 Schedule very detailed line-by-line review of Pub&Linking draft at January F2F closed

close ACTION-662

<trackbot> ACTION-662 Redraft proposed product page on API Minimization (http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/apiminimization.html) closed

close ACTION-673

<trackbot> ACTION-673 Prepare for F2F discussion of httpRange-14 change proposals Due 2012-03-13 closed

close ACTION-674

<trackbot> ACTION-674 encourage Chris Lilley to meet with us to discuss 3023bis and semantics of Fragment Identifiers closed

close ACTION-676

<trackbot> ACTION-676 Check with Norm whether there is sufficient feedback on HTML/XML to merit F2F discussion closed

ISSUE-50 (URNsAndRegistries-50): Registries

Noah: should we wait to have Larry ?

<noah> Looking at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-media-type-regs-04

Jeni: would be far better to have Larry to discuss this

jar: there was a deadline soon (like this week)
... reviewed the diff, I find it weak wrt fragment ids

jeni: might be good to wait until next week and have a short call about that

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Apr/0043.html

jar deadline is tomorrow

ht: it's WGLC so we are not entirely too late

noah: regarding Jeni's document, there was a 2 days of silence = consent

<noah> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2012Apr/0003.html

<noah> ACTION-680?

<trackbot> ACTION-680 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule (soon) TAG telcon review of http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-media-type-regs-04 -- due 2012-04-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/680

<noah> ACTION-680?

<trackbot> ACTION-680 -- Jeni Tennison to lead TAG telcon review (rescheduled) of http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-media-type-regs-04 -- due 2012-04-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/680

Web Applications: Security

<noah> ACTION-344?

<trackbot> ACTION-344 -- Jonathan Rees to alert TAG chair when CORS and/or UMP goes to LC to trigger security review -- due 2012-03-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/344

jar: the question is "is the security consideration section accurate?"

<noah> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-cors-20120403/#security

jar: some suggestion were requested but not sure they made it in the security consideration section. Having an external review would be helpful

ashok: looked at the webapps wg charter and it looks like they stopped working on UMP.

jar: UMP was folded into CORS

if the flag is off, you have UMP

noah: do you think we should invite tlr when larry is around (to see if there are plans for ietf review of this document)

ht: first instance would be to ask tlr via email

<noah> close ACTION-344

<trackbot> ACTION-344 Alert TAG chair when CORS and/or UMP goes to LC to trigger security review closed

<noah> ACTION: Jonathan to check with Thomas Roessler on whether security review of CORS is coming up in W3C/IETF liaison [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-695 - Check with Thomas Roessler on whether security review of CORS is coming up in W3C/IETF liaison [on Jonathan Rees - due 2012-04-19].

<noah> Per HT request on 15 March 2012, I think we should discuss whether we think XML-ER is adopting the right goals and use cases. At F2F if it fits.

noah: it seems suboptimal to talk about that without Robin

ht: would be good to wait two weeks

<noah> ACTION: Jeni to frame discussion of XML-ER goals and use cases - Due 2012-04-24 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-696 - frame discussion of XML-ER goals and use cases [on Jeni Tennison - due 2012-04-24].

<noah> ACTION-656?

<trackbot> ACTION-656 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of possibly getting W3C to invest in technologies for liberal XML processing (e.g. XML5) -- due 2012-04-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/656

closing actions

<jar> The question for me is: Are languages for which all strings are valid (nonerroneous) sentences architecturally good or bad?

<noah> ACTION-564?

<trackbot> ACTION-564 -- Henry Thompson to track fragid issues in 3023bis, report to TAG and/or communicate with 3023bis editors as appropriate -- due 2012-04-02 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/564

<noah> ACTION-628?

<trackbot> ACTION-628 -- Henry Thompson to work with Chris Lilley to bring forward prose for 3023bis wrt generic processing of fragment identifiers which addresses the rdf+xml and xhtml+xml issues -- due 2012-04-02 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/628

Pending review actions

<noah> close ACTION-628

<trackbot> ACTION-628 Work with Chris Lilley to bring forward prose for 3023bis wrt generic processing of fragment identifiers which addresses the rdf+xml and xhtml+xml issues closed

<noah> Henry to reopen and reschedule ACTION-564

Noah: is there a volunteer for chairing and the agenda for next week?

chair for next week: ht

<noah> ACTION-680?

<trackbot> ACTION-680 -- Jeni Tennison to lead TAG telcon review (rescheduled) of http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-media-type-regs-04 -- due 2012-04-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/680

Overdue actions

<noah> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owner

<noah> ACTION-678?

<trackbot> ACTION-678 -- Robin Berjon to ask Dom if there's something he think would be worth discussing with the TAG -- due 2012-03-22 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/678

<noah> close ACTION-678

<trackbot> ACTION-678 Ask Dom if there's something he think would be worth discussing with the TAG closed

<noah> ACTION-659?

<trackbot> ACTION-659 -- Yves Lafon to track IETF efforts on HTTP 2.0 & SPDY Due: 2012-03-20 -- due 2012-03-20 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/659

<noah> ACTION-659 Due: 2012-07-31

<noah> ACTION-659 - Due 2012-07-31

<noah> ACTION-659?

<trackbot> ACTION-659 -- Yves Lafon to track IETF efforts on HTTP 2.0 & SPDY Due: 2012-03-20 -- due 2012-03-20 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/659

<noah> ACTION-659 Due: 2012-07-31

<noah> ACTION-659: Due 2012-07-31

<trackbot> ACTION-659 Track IETF efforts on HTTP 2.0 & SPDY Due: 2012-03-20 notes added

<noah> ACTION-638

<noah> close ACTION-638

<trackbot> ACTION-638 Help Noah figure out best ways, if at all, for TAG to participate in IETF paris closed

<noah> ACTION-594?

<trackbot> ACTION-594 -- Yves Lafon to with Peter and Henry produce partial revision of fragment id finding -- due 2012-03-13 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/594

<noah> close ACTION-594?

<noah> was discussed at F2f

<JeniT> +1 for closing

<noah> ACTION-683?

<trackbot> ACTION-683 -- Yves Lafon to figure out who might be a good choice to present Hybi (and as appropriate WebSocket protocols) to the TAG -- due 2012-04-09 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/683

<noah> ACTION-683 Due 2012-04-24

<trackbot> ACTION-683 Figure out who might be a good choice to present Hybi (and as appropriate WebSocket protocols) to the TAG due date now 2012-04-24

<noah> ACTION-679?

<trackbot> ACTION-679 -- Yves Lafon to check how Appcache should fit into Ashok's storage document -- due 2012-04-02 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/679

<noah> ACTION-679 Due 2012-04-31

<trackbot> ACTION-679 check how Appcache should fit into Ashok's storage document due date now 2012-04-31

<noah> close ACTION-594

<trackbot> ACTION-594 With Peter and Henry produce partial revision of fragment id finding closed

<noah> ACTION-677?

<trackbot> ACTION-677 -- Noah Mendelsohn to contact HTML WG co-chairs to ask about timing for output of Encrypted Media TF -- due 2012-03-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/677

<noah> ACTION-677 Due 2012-04-24

<trackbot> ACTION-677 Contact HTML WG co-chairs to ask about timing for output of Encrypted Media TF due date now 2012-04-24

<noah> ACTION-687?

<trackbot> ACTION-687 -- Noah Mendelsohn to look for opportunities to discuss putting forward something to the AB about the Process and the failed reference from RECs to expired RFCs as a side-effect of scope creep etc. -- due 2012-04-04 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/687

<masinter> expired internet drafts

<masinter> RFCs don't expire

<noah> ACTION-687 Due 2012-04-24

<trackbot> ACTION-687 Look for opportunities to discuss putting forward something to the AB about the Process and the failed reference from REC drafts to expired RFCs as a side-effect of scope creep etc. due date now 2012-04-24

<jar> edited action name

<noah> ACTION-677?

<trackbot> ACTION-677 -- Noah Mendelsohn to contact HTML WG co-chairs to ask about timing for output of Encrypted Media TF -- due 2012-04-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/677

<noah> ACTION-667?

<trackbot> ACTION-667 -- Noah Mendelsohn to check, when publishing and linking wraps, whether it's time to reinvest in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/12/evolution/Registries.html -- due 2012-04-01 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/667

<noah> ACTION-667 Due 2012-07-15

<trackbot> ACTION-667 Check, when publishing and linking wraps, whether it's time to reinvest in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/12/evolution/Registries.html due date now 2012-07-15

<noah> ACTION-657?

<trackbot> ACTION-657 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule telcon discussion of possible XML/HTML Unification next steps -- due 2012-04-10 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/657

<noah> close ACTION-657

<trackbot> ACTION-657 Schedule telcon discussion of possible XML/HTML Unification next steps closed

<noah> ACTION-636 Due 2012-07-15

<trackbot> ACTION-636 Update product page for Mime and the Web due date now 2012-07-15

<noah> ACTION-201?

<trackbot> ACTION-201 -- Jonathan Rees to report on status of AWWSW discussions -- due 2012-03-31 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/201

<noah> ACTION-201 Due 2012-05-15

<trackbot> ACTION-201 Report on status of AWWSW discussions due date now 2012-05-15

<noah> ACTION-649

<noah> ACTION-649?

<trackbot> ACTION-649 -- Jeni Tennison to produce a document with examples motivating the technical points in the Copyright/Linking document -- due 2012-03-20 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/649

<ht> [Larry Masinter joins the call]

<noah> JT: I found this hard to do, would like to just close this.

<noah> close ACTION-649

<trackbot> ACTION-649 Produce a document with examples motivating the technical points in the Copyright/Linking document closed

(URNsAndRegistries-50): Registries

larry: we need to ensure that fragment identifiers are well defined

jeni: there should also be a place where top-level schemes could have a hook to define fragments

larry: people who register media types should have guidance

jeni: and the +xml/+json/+... schemes as well

<masinter> if we're going to ask them to make a reference to a document we haven't written, we should have a schedule for when we're going to do it

<noah> Our draft note says:

<noah> We believe media type registration authors should be pointed to these recommendations by reference from draft-ietf-appsawg-media-type-regs.

<noah> We would like to coordinate the development of these documents effectively and would appreciate your feedback on how best to accomplish this.

<masinter> i'm willing to help, the question is what others on the TAG think about priorities

<masinter> if the rest of the TAG doesn't want to make this a top priority, we oculd just say "they should do something but we can't be ready in time to really write it ourselves", but even then we'd need to review it

<masinter> well, if you look at their document, i'd imagine they'd want something in a similar tone. I'm not sure if it's an internet draft / rfc format

noah: would be better to write it in the form of a TAG document

main issue is to have the content right

<masinter> i'd ask appsawg chairs

<masinter> i don't have anything to say about CORS now

<jar> CORS is in webappsec -- Brad Hill

larry: I trust from the people in the groups that there is coordination between W3C and IETF; EKR is co-chair of webappsec

noah: make sense

<masinter> DANE last call today

<jar> LM is not suggesting security research in isolation, but rather as a test of ideas that we are thinking about elsewhere (such as URI semantics and "ownership")

<noah> ACTION: Larry to prepare overview of DANE for TAG consideration - Due 2012-05-15 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-697 - prepare overview of DANE for TAG consideration [on Larry Masinter - due 2012-05-15].

noah: I delegate to ht the right to cancel the meeting for next week

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