MLW-LT Minutes 2012-08-30 ...

are at http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html and below as text.

- Felix

   [1]W3C

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                               MLW-LT WG

30 Aug 2012

   [2]Agenda

      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Aug/0319.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-irc

Attendees

   Present
          arle, felix, yves, ankit, jirka, des, guiseppe, michael,
          tadej, pablo, leroy, dave, milan, phil, david

   Regrets
          Jörg

   Chair
          felix

   Scribe
          daveL

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]ACTIONS
         2. [6]PRAGUE + TPAC
         3. [7]ISSUE-22
         4. [8]ISSUE-34 quality data category
         5. [9]readibility of the spec
         6. [10]ISSUE-36 special requirements
         7. [11]ISSUE-41 mtConfidence
         8. [12]time of this call
     * [13]Summary of Action Items
     __________________________________________________________

ACTIONS

   <fsasaki> action-164?

   <trackbot> ACTION-164 -- Maxime Lefrançois to create an RDF
   ontology for ITS, and make sure that we update the ITS XSD to
   accomodate the RDF output created via ACTION-147 -- due
   2012-08-16 -- OPEN

   <trackbot>
   [14]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
   tions/164

     [14] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/164

   tadej; followed this but can't dedicate time

   <scribe> ACTION: felix to liaise with maximie to complete this
   when time permits [recorded in
   [15]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-205 - Liaise with maximie to complete
   this when time permits [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-09-06].

   <fsasaki> action-179?

   <trackbot> ACTION-179 -- David Lewis to work with Olaf-Michael
   to help draft blurb for international organizations. -- due
   2012-08-16 -- OPEN

   <trackbot>
   [16]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
   tions/179

     [16] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/179

   <fsasaki> dave: talked about this with olaf, need to follow up

   <fsasaki> .. ongoing

   <fsasaki> action-196?

   <trackbot> ACTION-196 -- Felix Sasaki to make inheritance -
   overriding etc. clearer in the spec -- due 2012-08-20 -- CLOSED

   <trackbot>
   [17]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
   tions/196

     [17] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/196

   <fsasaki>
   [18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
   lt/2012Aug/0311.html

     [18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Aug/0311.html

   <fsasaki>
   [19]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/i
   ts20/its20.html#datacategories-defaults-etc

     [19] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#datacategories-defaults-etc

   felix: inheritence and overriding colum are mutually redundant
   and make the function of inhertance clearer
   ... does everyone agree?

   Yves; in broad agreement

   <fsasaki> dave: old text didn't really say what overriding did

   <fsasaki> .. there is several aspects like "overriding the data
   values of the ITS category"

   <fsasaki> .. that might make it clearer

   <fsasaki> .. so there wasn't a definition what is overriden

   <fsasaki> .. the data values that apply to the nodes get
   overriden

PRAGUE + TPAC

   <scribe> scribe: daveL

   felix: hope eveyone can come to both, though prague is most
   important
   ... but TPAC also give opportunity to meet other W3C folk

   Des; will be showing some implementations

   felix; people are implementing and we need slot in agenda for
   this

   <Yves_> i should have some data categories working and useable
   too (XLIFF 1.2 and 2.0 output for example)

   daveL: will have some integration between CMS-LION and mose MT
   and perhaps XLIGG

   felix: ask eveyone to add any plans for demonstrations to
   prague agenda page

   <fsasaki>
   [20]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Pra
   gueSep2012#Objectives

     [20] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/PragueSep2012#Objectives

   <fsasaki> "Your implementations and use cases here: ..."

   <scribe> ACTION: felix to follow up on demo commitments at
   prague under objectives on pargue agenda page [recorded in
   [21]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-206 - Follow up on demo commitments
   at prague under objectives on pargue agenda page [on Felix
   Sasaki - due 2012-09-06].

   felix: you can add a point to page showing more details also.

   <fsasaki> dave: people can be free to set up a page for "their"
   implementation to put more details in

   <fsasaki> felix: sure

ISSUE-22

   felix; ISSUE 22 provenance, need update

   <fsasaki> dave: working on it. For actual text need to add
   pointers to translation agent

   <fsasaki> .. where was the issue related to mtScore

   <fsasaki> .. standoff just needed the pointer version added

   <fsasaki> .. felix had sent a comment about "standoff prov.
   MUST point to a provenance record"

   <fsasaki> .. how would you test conformance on that

   <fsasaki> .. is it sufficient to have a URL and get a URL back

   <fsasaki> felix: how would validation work?

   <fsasaki> dave: several options for that in provenance

   <fsasaki> .. basically a GET operation and you get something
   back in a certain format

   <fsasaki> .. if you have a pointer to one of the records

   <fsasaki> .. they need to follow a link and do an HTTP get

   <fsasaki> .. to retrieve it

   <fsasaki> .. but do they have to parse the record

   felix: you can have ITS data category conformance by access the
   URL, but there is more to showcasing functionality
   ... so test suite is artificial, but we want to have more live
   tests
   ... so we want the functional testing to really show the
   usefulness
   ... test can cover both, we can do both at the same time
   ... so current test suite isn't useful for real-life
   implementations

   <Ankit> will having a MT system translate ITS metadata (as in
   testsuite) tagged text be an example of functional testing?

   dave: suggest implementers provide thier funcitonal test when
   demoing in prague

   yves; can provide some examples in prague

   flix; to get some feedback on test suite input and output from
   HTML WG

   <scribe> ACTION: felix to get some feedback on test suite input
   and output from HTML WG [recorded in
   [22]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action03]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-207 - Get some feedback on test suite
   input and output from HTML WG [on Felix Sasaki - due
   2012-09-06].

ISSUE-34 quality data category

   <fsasaki>
   [23]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/i
   ts20/its20.html#lqissue

     [23] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#lqissue

   <fsasaki>
   [24]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/i
   ts20/its20.html#lqprecis

     [24] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#lqprecis

   felix: yves has update specification as above

   Des: did quality score issue get resolved
   ... there were 4 options mentioned

   <fsasaki> see mail here
   [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
   lt/2012Aug/0267.html

     [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Aug/0267.html

   yves: issue of whether it is a range or a vote need to be
   resolved, and an attribute added if both to be supported

   Des: can live without voting if it overcomplicate things

   Yves: lets check if other partners such as microsoft have an
   interest

   Des: it is a valid use case

   Yves: yes, but it should be an option in that data category
   rather than a new data category

   Des: agrees

   Yves; volunteer to add a proposal so we can explore the issues

   <scribe> ACTION: yves to add an option to quality precis draft
   supporting voting ranges [recorded in
   [26]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action04]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-208 - Add an option to quality precis
   draft supporting voting ranges [on Yves Savourel - due
   2012-09-06].

readibility of the spec

   <fsasaki> .. currrently trying to re-draft parts of section 1

   <fsasaki> .. disambiguation is very hard to read

   <fsasaki> .. using a lot of computational linguistic
   terminology

   <fsasaki> .. propose not to change a lot, but the prose

   <fsasaki> tadej: posted a new version a while ago, aware of
   this problem

   <fsasaki> .. whole data category talks about computational
   linguistic domain

   <dF> perhaps tadej should mute

   felix: want to have some people to review some data category
   text with the eye of someone form a different domain

   <scribe> ACTION: tadej to review readability and make proposals
   to improve readability to non-localisation people [recorded in
   [27]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action05]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-209 - Review readability and make
   proposals to improve readability to non-localisation people [on
   Tadej Štajner - due 2012-09-06].

   <scribe> ACTION: daveL to review diambiguation from the point
   of view of readability [recorded in
   [28]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action06]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-210 - Review diambiguation from the
   point of view of readability [on David Lewis - due 2012-09-06].

   <fsasaki>
   [29]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/i
   ts20/its20.html#lqprecis

     [29] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#lqprecis

   <scribe> ACTION: Michael to review quality precis for
   readability from non-localisation viewpoint [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action07]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-211 - Review quality precis for
   readability from non-localisation viewpoint [on Michael Kruppa
   - due 2012-09-06].

   felix; also ask Dave, David and moritz to do a general review
   of the draft

   <fsasaki> dave: some data catgories have examples that do
   something which is not explained. You need to explain: here is
   an example how an element is selected, given the values etc.

   <fsasaki> .. some of Yves ones are quite good

   <fsasaki> .. I'd encourage everybody to look into that

ISSUE-36 special requirements

   felix: summarised changes to special requirements and yves to
   include this

   action; yves to add allowed characters and stroage size to
   specification

   <dF> Happy with "forbidden characters" and "storage size"
   solutions as per e-mail discussion..

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves_ to add allowed characters and stroage
   size to specification [recorded in
   [31]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action08]

   <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Yves_

ISSUE-41 mtConfidence

   dF: harmonisation issue to be resolved, e.g. with provenance
   ... need more granularity on translation agent for this to
   advance

   <scribe> ACTION: daveL to call David to advance the transagent
   and mtconfirdence score harmonisation [recorded in
   [32]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action09]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-212 - Call David to advance the
   transagent and mtconfirdence score harmonisation [on David
   Lewis - due 2012-09-06].

   dF: ask tadej what score format is relevant to text analytics

   tadej: either 0 to 1 or percentage would work, but 0-1 would
   work and is perhaps more common

   <Michael> sorry, gotta run...cheers

   tadej: summarize is 0 to 1 best solution
   ... this is simpler to process and percentage and can be XSD
   float

   dF: agree we will go for this option

time of this call

   <fsasaki> would it work for everybody to have it one our
   earlier?

   <fsasaki> phil: would be OK

   <Ankit> works for us too (DCU)

   dF: could yves move earlier

   yves: yes, can try

   <fsasaki> ACTION: felix to send info about time change proposal
   to the list [recorded in
   [33]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action10]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-213 - Send info about time change
   proposal to the list [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-09-06].

   <fsasaki> time propsosal - one hour later

   <Ankit> Bye..

   <gderiard> Good bye....

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: daveL to call David to advance the transagent and
   mtconfirdence score harmonisation [recorded in
   [34]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action09]
   [NEW] ACTION: daveL to review diambiguation from the point of
   view of readability [recorded in
   [35]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action06]
   [NEW] ACTION: felix to follow up on demo commitments at prague
   under objectives on pargue agenda page [recorded in
   [36]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02]
   [NEW] ACTION: felix to get some feedback on test suite input
   and output from HTML WG [recorded in
   [37]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action03]
   [NEW] ACTION: felix to liaise with maximie to complete this
   when time permits [recorded in
   [38]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]
   [NEW] ACTION: felix to send info about time change proposal to
   the list [recorded in
   [39]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action10]
   [NEW] ACTION: Michael to review quality precis for readability
   from non-localisation viewpoint [recorded in
   [40]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action07]
   [NEW] ACTION: tadej to review readability and make proposals to
   improve readability to non-localisation people [recorded in
   [41]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action05]
   [NEW] ACTION: yves to add an option to quality precis draft
   supporting voting ranges [recorded in
   [42]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action04]
   [NEW] ACTION: Yves_ to add allowed characters and stroage size
   to specification [recorded in
   [43]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action08]

   [End of minutes]
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