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<fsasaki> action-164?
<trackbot> ACTION-164 -- Maxime Lefrançois to create an RDF ontology for ITS, and make sure that we update the ITS XSD to accomodate the RDF output created via ACTION-147 -- due 2012-08-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/164
tadej; followed this but can't dedicate time
<scribe> ACTION: felix to liaise with maximie to complete this when time permits [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-205 - Liaise with maximie to complete this when time permits [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-09-06].
<fsasaki> action-179?
<trackbot> ACTION-179 -- David Lewis to work with Olaf-Michael to help draft blurb for international organizations. -- due 2012-08-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/179
<fsasaki> dave: talked about this with olaf, need to follow up
<fsasaki> .. ongoing
<fsasaki> action-196?
<trackbot> ACTION-196 -- Felix Sasaki to make inheritance - overriding etc. clearer in the spec -- due 2012-08-20 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/196
<fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Aug/0311.html
felix: inheritence and overriding
colum are mutually redundant and make the function of
inhertance clearer
... does everyone agree?
Yves; in broad agreement
<fsasaki> dave: old text didn't really say what overriding did
<fsasaki> .. there is several aspects like "overriding the data values of the ITS category"
<fsasaki> .. that might make it clearer
<fsasaki> .. so there wasn't a definition what is overriden
<fsasaki> .. the data values that apply to the nodes get overriden
<scribe> scribe: daveL
felix: hope eveyone can come to
both, though prague is most important
... but TPAC also give opportunity to meet other W3C folk
Des; will be showing some implementations
felix; people are implementing and we need slot in agenda for this
<Yves_> i should have some data categories working and useable too (XLIFF 1.2 and 2.0 output for example)
daveL: will have some integration between CMS-LION and mose MT and perhaps XLIGG
felix: ask eveyone to add any plans for demonstrations to prague agenda page
<fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/PragueSep2012#Objectives
<fsasaki> "Your implementations and use cases here: ..."
<scribe> ACTION: felix to follow up on demo commitments at prague under objectives on pargue agenda page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-206 - Follow up on demo commitments at prague under objectives on pargue agenda page [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-09-06].
felix: you can add a point to page showing more details also.
<fsasaki> dave: people can be free to set up a page for "their" implementation to put more details in
<fsasaki> felix: sure
felix; ISSUE 22 provenance, need update
<fsasaki> dave: working on it. For actual text need to add pointers to translation agent
<fsasaki> .. where was the issue related to mtScore
<fsasaki> .. standoff just needed the pointer version added
<fsasaki> .. felix had sent a comment about "standoff prov. MUST point to a provenance record"
<fsasaki> .. how would you test conformance on that
<fsasaki> .. is it sufficient to have a URL and get a URL back
<fsasaki> felix: how would validation work?
<fsasaki> dave: several options for that in provenance
<fsasaki> .. basically a GET operation and you get something back in a certain format
<fsasaki> .. if you have a pointer to one of the records
<fsasaki> .. they need to follow a link and do an HTTP get
<fsasaki> .. to retrieve it
<fsasaki> .. but do they have to parse the record
felix: you can have ITS data
category conformance by access the URL, but there is more to
showcasing functionality
... so test suite is artificial, but we want to have more live
tests
... so we want the functional testing to really show the
usefulness
... test can cover both, we can do both at the same time
... so current test suite isn't useful for real-life
implementations
<Ankit> will having a MT system translate ITS metadata (as in testsuite) tagged text be an example of functional testing?
dave: suggest implementers provide thier funcitonal test when demoing in prague
yves; can provide some examples in prague
flix; to get some feedback on test suite input and output from HTML WG
<scribe> ACTION: felix to get some feedback on test suite input and output from HTML WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-207 - Get some feedback on test suite input and output from HTML WG [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-09-06].
<fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#lqissue
<fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#lqprecis
felix: yves has update specification as above
Des: did quality score issue get
resolved
... there were 4 options mentioned
<fsasaki> see mail here http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Aug/0267.html
yves: issue of whether it is a range or a vote need to be resolved, and an attribute added if both to be supported
Des: can live without voting if it overcomplicate things
Yves: lets check if other partners such as microsoft have an interest
Des: it is a valid use case
Yves: yes, but it should be an option in that data category rather than a new data category
Des: agrees
Yves; volunteer to add a proposal so we can explore the issues
<scribe> ACTION: yves to add an option to quality precis draft supporting voting ranges [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-208 - Add an option to quality precis draft supporting voting ranges [on Yves Savourel - due 2012-09-06].
<fsasaki> .. currrently trying to re-draft parts of section 1
<fsasaki> .. disambiguation is very hard to read
<fsasaki> .. using a lot of computational linguistic terminology
<fsasaki> .. propose not to change a lot, but the prose
<fsasaki> tadej: posted a new version a while ago, aware of this problem
<fsasaki> .. whole data category talks about computational linguistic domain
<dF> perhaps tadej should mute
felix: want to have some people to review some data category text with the eye of someone form a different domain
<scribe> ACTION: tadej to review readability and make proposals to improve readability to non-localisation people [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-209 - Review readability and make proposals to improve readability to non-localisation people [on Tadej Štajner - due 2012-09-06].
<scribe> ACTION: daveL to review diambiguation from the point of view of readability [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-210 - Review diambiguation from the point of view of readability [on David Lewis - due 2012-09-06].
<fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#lqprecis
<scribe> ACTION: Michael to review quality precis for readability from non-localisation viewpoint [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-211 - Review quality precis for readability from non-localisation viewpoint [on Michael Kruppa - due 2012-09-06].
felix; also ask Dave, David and moritz to do a general review of the draft
<fsasaki> dave: some data catgories have examples that do something which is not explained. You need to explain: here is an example how an element is selected, given the values etc.
<fsasaki> .. some of Yves ones are quite good
<fsasaki> .. I'd encourage everybody to look into that
felix: summarised changes to special requirements and yves to include this
action; yves to add allowed characters and stroage size to specification
<dF> Happy with "forbidden characters" and "storage size" solutions as per e-mail discussion..
<scribe> ACTION: Yves_ to add allowed characters and stroage size to specification [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Yves_
dF: harmonisation issue to be
resolved, e.g. with provenance
... need more granularity on translation agent for this to
advance
<scribe> ACTION: daveL to call David to advance the transagent and mtconfirdence score harmonisation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action09]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-212 - Call David to advance the transagent and mtconfirdence score harmonisation [on David Lewis - due 2012-09-06].
dF: ask tadej what score format is relevant to text analytics
tadej: either 0 to 1 or percentage would work, but 0-1 would work and is perhaps more common
<Michael> sorry, gotta run...cheers
tadej: summarize is 0 to 1 best
solution
... this is simpler to process and percentage and can be XSD
float
dF: agree we will go for this option
<fsasaki> would it work for everybody to have it one our earlier?
<fsasaki> phil: would be OK
<Ankit> works for us too (DCU)
dF: could yves move earlier
yves: yes, can try
<fsasaki> ACTION: felix to send info about time change proposal to the list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action10]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-213 - Send info about time change proposal to the list [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-09-06].
<fsasaki> time propsosal - one hour later
<Ankit> Bye..
<gderiard> Good bye....