ISSUE-56

urls-webarch

Bring "URLs" section/definition and IRI specification in alignment.

State:
OPEN
Product:
HTML 5 spec
Raised by:
Michael(tm) Smith
Opened on:
2008-06-30
Description:
From Roy Fielding:
"...pretending to define a new URL standard as part
of HTML5 is not acceptable. ... HTML will never define the identifiers for the Web. That would be a fundamental violation of the Web architecture."

"Please note that we spent 12 years reaching a global agreement on
the meaning of URI, URL, URN, Web addresses, or whatever else you
might call them. ... I suggest that the section be removed or replaced with the
limited and specific needs for parsing href and src attribute
values such that the attribute's value string is mapped to a
URI-reference with a defined base-URI."

see complete message at: http://www.w3.org/mid/6842F3A9-5BBD-4A8B-BB54-73C116EE8785@gbiv.com

HTML5-SPEC-SECTIONS [urls]
Related Actions Items:
Related emails:
  1. Re: Change Proposal status and deadlines (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-11-25)
  2. Re: HTML CHANGE PROPOSAL; change definition of URL to normative reference to IRIBIS (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-11-25)
  3. RE: HTML CHANGE PROPOSAL; change definition of URL to normative reference to IRIBIS (from masinter@adobe.com on 2009-11-25)
  4. Re: HTML CHANGE PROPOSAL; change definition of URL to normative reference to IRIBIS (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-11-24)
  5. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-11-19: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task force reports (from oradnio@gmail.com on 2009-11-19)
  6. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-11-19: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task force reports (from laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com on 2009-11-19)
  7. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-11-19: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task force reports (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2009-11-18)
  8. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-11-19: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task force reports (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2009-11-18)
  9. Re: HTML CHANGE PROPOSAL; change definition of URL to normative reference to IRIBIS (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-11-05)
  10. minutes Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-10-29: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task forces, F2F... (from cooper@w3.org on 2009-10-29)
  11. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-10-29: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task forces, F2F... (from singer@apple.com on 2009-10-29)
  12. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-10-29: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task forces, F2F... (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-10-28)
  13. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-10-22: AIs, Task Forces, F2F meeting plans (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-10-21)
  14. minutes for 2009-10-15 HTML WG telcon (from mike@w3.org on 2009-10-16)
  15. [VER 2] {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-10-15: AIs, Task Forces, F2F meeting plans (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2009-10-15)
  16. Regrets for tomorrow; URL/IRI progress, ISSUE-56/ACTION-37 (from masinter@adobe.com on 2009-10-14)
  17. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-10-15: AIs, Task Forces, F2F meeting plans (from singer@apple.com on 2009-10-14)
  18. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-10-15: AIs, Task Forces, F2F meeting plans (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2009-10-14)
  19. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-10-08: AIs, Task Forces, TPAC/ECMA, Decision Policy (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-10-07)
  20. Minutes 2009-09-24 (from annevk@opera.com on 2009-09-24)
  21. Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-24 - CfCs, Accessibility TF, Testing TF, etc. (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2009-09-22)
  22. FW: Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-24 - CfCs, Accessibility TF, Testing TF, etc. (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2009-09-22)
  23. minutes for 2009-09-17 telcon (from mike@w3.org on 2009-09-20)
  24. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-09-17 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-09-16)
  25. Re: how many URL issues do we need/want? (from annevk@opera.com on 2009-09-11)
  26. Re: how many URL issues doe we need/want? Re: Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-10 - Accessibility TF, Testing TF, etc (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-09-10)
  27. how many URL issues doe we need/want? Re: Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-10 - Accessibility TF, Testing TF, etc (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-09-10)
  28. RE: ISSUE-56: urls-webarch - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from masinter@adobe.com on 2009-08-24)
  29. Re: ISSUE-56: urls-webarch - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-08-24)
  30. Re: ISSUE-56: urls-webarch - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from fielding@gbiv.com on 2009-08-24)
  31. Re: ISSUE-56: urls-webarch - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-08-24)
  32. Re: ISSUE-56: urls-webarch - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-08-21)
  33. RE: ISSUE-56: urls-webarch - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from masinter@adobe.com on 2009-08-21)
  34. Re: ISSUE-56: urls-webarch - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-08-21)
  35. Re: change 'URL' to 'web address' throughout the HTML 5 spec (Issue-56 urls-webarch) (from hsivonen@iki.fi on 2009-08-21)
  36. Re: ISSUE-56: urls-webarch - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-08-21)
  37. Re: ISSUE-56: urls-webarch - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-08-21)
  38. Re: New Version Notification for draft-duerst-iri-bis-06 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-08-21)
  39. Re: ISSUE-56: urls-webarch - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-08-21)
  40. Re: ISSUE-56: urls-webarch - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-08-21)
  41. Re: ISSUE-56: urls-webarch - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-08-21)
  42. Re: ISSUE-56: urls-webarch - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-08-21)
  43. Re: ISSUE-56: urls-webarch - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-08-21)
  44. ISSUE-56: urls-webarch - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-08-20)
  45. change 'URL' to 'web address' throughout the HTML 5 spec (Issue-56 urls-webarch) (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-08-20)
  46. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-08-20 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-08-19)
  47. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-06-01)
  48. minutes: HTML WG telecon 2009-05-07 [draft] (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-05-07)
  49. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-04-27)
  50. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-04-23 (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-04-24)
  51. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-04-23 (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-04-24)
  52. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-04-21)
  53. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-04-15)
  54. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-04-06)
  55. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-03-31)
  56. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-03-24)
  57. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from annevk@opera.com on 2009-03-24)
  58. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-03-23)
  59. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from ht@inf.ed.ac.uk (Henry S. Thompson) on 2009-03-23)
  60. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from ht@inf.ed.ac.uk (Henry S. Thompson) on 2009-03-23)
  61. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from annevk@opera.com on 2009-03-23)
  62. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from ht@inf.ed.ac.uk (Henry S. Thompson) on 2009-03-23)
  63. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-03-23)
  64. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-03-23)
  65. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-03-20)
  66. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from tlr@w3.org on 2009-03-19)
  67. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from tlr@w3.org on 2009-03-19)
  68. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-03-18)
  69. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from fielding@gbiv.com on 2009-03-18)
  70. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-03-18)
  71. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-03-18)
  72. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-03-18)
  73. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from marco.neumann@gmail.com on 2009-03-18)
  74. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-03-18)
  75. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-03-18)
  76. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from marco.neumann@gmail.com on 2009-03-18)
  77. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-03-18)
  78. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from marco.neumann@gmail.com on 2009-03-18)
  79. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from annevk@opera.com on 2009-03-18)
  80. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from annevk@opera.com on 2009-03-18)
  81. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-03-18)
  82. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-03-18)
  83. Re: 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from annevk@opera.com on 2009-03-18)
  84. 'Web addresses in HTML 5' for review (ISSUE-56 urls-webarch) (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-03-18)
  85. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-03-16)
  86. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-03-12 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-03-11)
  87. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-03-12 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-03-11)
  88. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-03-09)
  89. HTML WG telcon 2009-03-05 *cancelled* (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-03-04)
  90. HTML WG telcon 2009-03-05 *cancelled* (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-03-04)
  91. Re: Input on the agenda (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-02-23)
  92. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-02-23)
  93. minutes: HTML WG telecon 2009-02-19 [draft] (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-02-19)
  94. minutes: HTML WG weekly telcon 22 Jan 2009 (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-01-23)
  95. Re: HTML5 URL vs. IRI vs. URI... (from connolly@w3.org on 2008-08-22)
  96. Re: heads-up about 'new' URLs section in HTML5 editor's draft (from rob@robburns.com on 2008-06-30)
  97. HTML5 'URL' definition vs. Web architecture [was: heads-up about 'new' URLs section in HTML5 editor's draft] (from mike@w3.org on 2008-06-30)
  98. Re: heads-up about 'new' URLs section in HTML5 editor's draft (from fielding@gbiv.com on 2008-06-30)

Related notes:

2009-03-30 13:55:36: [DanC]: <anne> DanC, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Mar/0321.html is my testing report

2009-03-30 14:03:52: [DanC]: http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp/2005/iritest/SVG/index.html SVG/IRI Tests by Martin

2009-08-19 20:13:38: The IRI document http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-duerst-iri-bis (version -06 July 20) is making good progress in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-iri/

Resolution of this issue will likely require some adjustment of the HTML document text as well as the IRI specification.


[Larry Masinter]

2009-09-24 09:05:12: [MikeSmith]: Larry posted an updated IRIbis draft: http://larry.masinter.net/iribis-hack.html

2009-10-29 16:13:00: [MikeSmith]: updated IRIbis draft published: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-duerst-iri-bis-07

2009-11-05 21:46:59: Bug report and change proposal:

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8207
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Nov/0153.html [Sam Ruby]

Changelog:

2008-06-30 04:20:46: Created issue 'Assess whether "URLs" section/definition conflicts with Web architecture' nickname owned by on product , description '' non-public

2008-06-30 04:37:20: nickname changed to 'urls-webarch' [Michael(tm) Smith]

2008-06-30 04:37:20: Owner changed to 'Michael(tm) Smith' [Michael(tm) Smith]

2008-06-30 04:37:20: Description changed to 'From Roy Fielding: "...pretending to define a new URL standard as part of HTML5 is not acceptable. ... HTML will never define the identifiers for the Web. That would be a fundamental violation of the Web architecture." "Please note that we spent 12 years reaching a global agreement on the meaning of URI, URL, URN, Web addresses, or whatever else you might call them. ... I suggest that the section be removed or replaced with the limited and specific needs for parsing href and src attribute values such that the attribute's value string is mapped to a URI-reference with a defined base-URI." see complete message at: http://www.w3.org/mid/6842F3A9-5BBD-4A8B-BB54-73C116EE8785@gbiv.com' [Michael(tm) Smith]

2008-06-30 04:37:20: Product changed to HTML 5 spec [Michael(tm) Smith]

2008-06-30 04:37:51: Status changed to 'open' [Michael(tm) Smith]

2009-08-19 20:13:38: title changed to 'Bring "URLs" section/definition and IRI specification in alignment.' [Larry Masinter]

2009-08-21 11:36:17: Description changed to 'From Roy Fielding: "...pretending to define a new URL standard as part of HTML5 is not acceptable. ... HTML will never define the identifiers for the Web. That would be a fundamental violation of the Web architecture." "Please note that we spent 12 years reaching a global agreement on the meaning of URI, URL, URN, Web addresses, or whatever else you might call them. ... I suggest that the section be removed or replaced with the limited and specific needs for parsing href and src attribute values such that the attribute's value string is mapped to a URI-reference with a defined base-URI." see complete message at: http://www.w3.org/mid/6842F3A9-5BBD-4A8B-BB54-73C116EE8785@gbiv.com HTML5-SPEC-SECTIONS [urls]' [James Graham]

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