W3C

Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

19 Feb 2015

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Addison, Richard, JcK, Steve, Dennis
Regrets
Felix, Leandro, Dennis
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Addison Phillips

Contents


Agenda

Action Items

http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

action-113?

<trackbot> action-113 -- Richard Ishida to Work on tidying up Additional Requirements for Bidi in HTML & CSS over coming couple of months -- due 2015-02-05 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/113

richard: aharon responded
... hopefully in next couple of weeks take decisison to publish

action-360?

<trackbot> action-360 -- Xiaoqian Wu to Survey publishers if there are requirements for additional/more specific styles in chinese e-books -- due 2014-11-06 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/360

action-401?

<trackbot> action-401 -- Richard Ishida to Send source text for "intro to web addresses" to dennis -- due 2015-02-19 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/401

richard: converted to html5, fixed some things and sent

close action-401

<trackbot> Closed action-401.

close action-402

<trackbot> Closed action-402.

action-404?

<trackbot> action-404 -- Dennis Tan Tanaka to Check on zwj and friends in idna so that we can document in charmod-norm -- due 2015-02-19 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/404

addison: (summarized)

jck: point me to relative text to summarize for you?

http://www.inter-locale.com/w3c/charmod-norm-20150207.html#unicodeControls

action-405?

<trackbot> action-405 -- Addison Phillips to Ensure "manifest for web applications" is reviewd by 5 March -- due 2015-02-26 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/405

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2015JanMar/0067.html

Info Share

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/repository/html5/bidi-requirements/results-rli-etc

richard: bring to your attention that I got around making tests for RLI, FSI, etc.
... please take a look at the tests if interested
... these test dir isolation
... we don't have great coverage in browsers
... perhaps raise bugs?

addison: this is for the Unicode control characters, not HTML isolation

richard: right
... should replace RLE etc.
... needed in things like javascript or in attribute values

addison: implementation state in icu and which version may be driving

<scribe> ACTION: addison: ping ICU folks about implementation of RLI and friends in ICU, specific version and ask for review of tests richard created [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/19-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-406 - Ping icu folks about implementation of rli and friends in icu, specific version and ask for review of tests richard created [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-02-26].

RADAR and Active Work Review

https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar

<http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-appmanifest-20150212/>

due 5 March

addison: will shepherd and set up tracker

https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar

encoding tests

richard: gaining priority
... if anyone wants to work on them...

<scribe> ACTION: addison: work with richard to draft text and then send to www-international a call for tests for encoding [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/19-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-407 - Work with richard to draft text and then send to www-international a call for tests for encoding [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-02-26].

qa-no-language update

JcK: calling out lang independent identifiers
... separately from part numbers, and such
... don't know how much to say there?

richard: think my response would be "not trying to be exhaustive"
... if there were something you wanted to label
... how would you do it?
... you gave some good examples
... when marking up for language
... there are many reasons
... so for example if you have something in Chinese, you might want to mark as Chinese to get the right font
... or if you have a spell-checker and you don't want it to spell check specific things
... or maybe extract things in a language
... etc.
... and the first question is why you want to mark things up

(discussion)

richard: will look at john's note and add examples to article

WebVTT

richard: was asked specifically if we would review this
... in new publication process

<scribe> ACTION: addison: raise need for formal I18N review step in new process on chairs@ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/19-i18n-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-408 - Raise need for formal i18n review step in new process on chairs@ [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-02-26].

richard: did start reviewing
... WebVTT is a spec for adding text to video or audio streams
... such as subtitles
... needs to support many language
... support vertical text
... support RTL
... etc.
... lots of info on where to place the "subtitle"
... and what reference points are for e.g. bidi or vertical, etc.
... some attention paid to language
... including internal to a string
... maybe a gap: no base direction?

addison: will open a tracker right after call

richard: great if we can get eyes on it

set deadline for two weeks

Linked Data review

http://www.w3.org/TR/ldpatch/

https://www.w3.org/International/track/products/69

issue-409?

<trackbot> issue-409 -- What are the string matching rules in the delete operation -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/409

steve: don't define what it means for a string to "match"
... they have e.g. a delete operation
... what are the rules for string matching?
... does normalization, et al apply?
... this is about "patching" RDF graphs

http://www.w3.org/TR/ldpatch/#delete-statement

issue-410?

<trackbot> issue-410 -- Language tags should reference BCP 47 -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/410

steve: if you scroll to bottom of seciton 3
... concrete syntax
... they have an element called 'langtag'
... defining language tags??

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/TR/ldpatch/#dfn-langtag

addison: should reference obs langtag in bcp47

richard: should reference bcp47 somewhere

issue-411?

<trackbot> issue-411 -- Definition of whitespace should come from Unicode -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/411

richard: define sort of a "best practices" so we can show to WGs ahead (rather than correcting later)

<r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Bp_spec_bidi

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/techniques/developing-specs-dynamic

<scribe> ACTION: addison: add creation of best practices for spec authors to project radar [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/19-i18n-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-409 - Add creation of best practices for spec authors to project radar [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-02-26].

<scribe> chair: make wg comments?

none noted

remove provisional

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/review-instructions

AOB?

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: addison: add creation of best practices for spec authors to project radar [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/19-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: ping ICU folks about implementation of RLI and friends in ICU, specific version and ask for review of tests richard created [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/19-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: raise need for formal I18N review step in new process on chairs@ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/19-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: work with richard to draft text and then send to www-international a call for tests for encoding [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/19-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
 
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