Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

Agenda

Action Items

http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

action-252?

<trackbot> action-252 -- Felix Sasaki to Ping dita folks about contacting html5 about ruby progress -- due 2013-09-05 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/252

close action-340

<trackbot> Closed action-340.

action-344?

<trackbot> action-344 -- Addison Phillips to Respond to css on issue-334 -- due 2014-09-18 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/344

issue-334?

<trackbot> issue-334 -- 'letter-spacing' and Indic -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/334

Info Share

addison: welcomes new member Dennis Tan Tanaka

DTan: work for verisign and working on IDN

xiaoqian: my first call
... glad to help with issues related to chinese culture

richard: published Encoding as CR on Tuesday

(hurray)

<r12a> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Sep/0240.html

richard: surprising thing happened
... dave hyatt at apple implementing bopomofo ruby
... works in nightly
... a few wrinkles yet to fix
... some test cases in the link, etc.

fsasaki: considering dates of new MLWeb workshop

<fsasaki> 27.4 - 29.4

fsasaki: 27 to 29 april
... reserve the time if you wish to attend

<Najib-ma> What are the chenges between the two spec W3C and WhatWG?

there are no differences other than the style and fixing the reference links

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/repository/encoding/indexes/results-aliases

richard: tests for single byte encodings so far
... added android chrome mobile, safari mobile, and uc browser

<scribe> Agenda: RADAR

https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar

What Time is this Meeting At?

<matial> Nope, 1 hour earleir

<matial> You cannot keep the wall time for both hemispheres

<matial> Pls give times as UTC

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20141218&p1=234&p2=33&p3=136

Addison to make proposals

Report on China Layout Requirements

richard: talked to cindy earlier and asked for update on the workshop last week

xiaoqian: want to share news about chinese
... most people speak "chinese"
... but many minority languages

<xiaoqian> http://www.chinaw3c.org/layout-workshop.html

xiaoqian: you can find agenda above
... richard gave keynote about i18n wg
... Bobby Tung gave another about why we need that as well

<xiaoqian> simplified Chinese, traditional Chinese, Tibetan, Uighur, Mongolian

xiaoqian: monogolian folks were very well prepared

<xiaoqian> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/0911-Beihang-ZhReqWorkshop/Mongolian.pptx

xiaoqian: in afternoon major digitial publishers
... shared concerns about progress on web
... all major players agreed that having a task force in w3c
... separate into chinese and then minority languages
... also visited chinese browser vendors
... both very interested in having features in their products
... and international framework in their mobile products
... agreed to provide more details

richard: quite a good result
... mongolian guys were most positive and prepared
... uighur script should interface at some point with arabic script
... planning to contact people
... and hope to make slides available in English
... as a small starting point
... cindy also working on chinese ruby information
... in early draft phase
... big thing in the week
... seeing team using mobile devices all the time
... and made changes in the test framework
... wechat and UCWeb interested in test suites and i18n checker
... need to think more about mobile use cases

addison: different "chinese" languages not all the same: can be separate documents or mail lists etc... or not

xiaoqian: maybe separate into different groups as not all people speak Chinese that well

richard: talk to PLH

addison: very much want this information! glad to see this.

Unencoded Scripts

<r12a> thanks Cindy for the report !

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Sep/0013.html

AOB?

koji: css3 text... currently 5 open issues
... but maybe I missed some open items?

addison: (discusses issue mentiones previously)

richard: on indic layout requirements
... they want to do FPWD
... think we should look at the document
... some structural comments
... maybe some gaps

<koji> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/products/10

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/2

action-343?

<trackbot> action-343 -- Richard Ishida to Reply to css text issues listed in linked email in minutes with satisfaction (if satisfied) -- due 2014-09-18 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/343

<koji> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-text/issues-lc-2013

koji: fantasai also manages a list in a text file (see above)

richard: predefined counter styles item?

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2014JulSep/0313.html

richard: interesting question
... ff supports all 120
... so you wouldn't need to define it in ff
... but no other browsers do that, so maybe confuses users

addison: if not all browsers implement
... then you still have to put into your stylesheet
... which makes the browser implementation pointless?

koji: are you suggesting FF should remove?

richard: not sure
... my recommendation would be "always put into your CSS"
... but also not sure if should remove

koji: in general FF prefers interoperability than doing better than other browsers
... also john said we don't want to keep increasing the list

<scribe> ACTION: richard: respond to jonathan's note about counter styles [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/18-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-345 - Respond to jonathan's note about counter styles [on Richard Ishida - due 2014-09-25].

<matial> Bye