IRC log of i18n on 2014-09-18

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13:54:35 [aphillip]: trackbot, prepare teleconference
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13:54:39 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be 4186
13:54:39 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
13:54:40 [trackbot]: Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:54:40 [trackbot]: Date: 18 September 2014
13:54:56 [aphillip]: Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Sep/0014.html
13:55:00 [aphillip]: Chair: Addison Phillips
13:55:04 [aphillip]: Scribe: Addison Phillips
13:55:08 [aphillip]: ScribeNick: aphillip
13:55:15 [aphillip]: rrsagent, draft minutes
13:55:15 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/18-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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13:59:27 [Zakim]: I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has now started
13:59:34 [Zakim]: + +1.703.948.aaaa
13:59:41 [r12a]: zakim, dial richard please
13:59:41 [Zakim]: ok, r12a; the call is being made
13:59:42 [Zakim]: +Richard
13:59:47 [xiaoqian]: zakim, call xiaoqian-mobile
13:59:47 [Zakim]: ok, xiaoqian; the call is being made
13:59:48 [Zakim]: +Xiaoqian
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14:00:27 [r12a]: zakim, who's here?
14:00:27 [Zakim]: On the phone I see +1.703.948.aaaa, Richard, Xiaoqian
14:00:29 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Najib-ma, matial, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, xiaoqian, fsasaki, fantasai, r12a, trackbot
14:00:38 [Zakim]: +aphillip
14:01:07 [Zakim]: +??P12
14:01:21 [matial]: zakim, ??P12 is me
14:01:21 [Zakim]: +matial; got it
14:01:43 [aphillip]: zakim, +1.703.948.aaaa is Dennis
14:01:43 [Zakim]: +Dennis; got it
14:01:50 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
14:02:07 [r12a]: zakim, 1.703 is Dennis
14:02:07 [Zakim]: sorry, r12a, I do not recognize a party named '1.703'
14:02:14 [r12a]: zakim, +1.703 is Dennis
14:02:14 [Zakim]: sorry, r12a, I do not recognize a party named '+1.703'
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14:02:57 [aphillip]: zakim, Dennis is DTan
14:02:57 [Zakim]: +DTan; got it
14:03:10 [aphillip]: Topic: Agenda
14:03:14 [aphillip]: Regrets: JcK
14:03:29 [Zakim]: +??P0
14:03:49 [aphillip]: Topic: Action Items
14:03:56 [aphillip]: http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:04:22 [aphillip]: action-252?
14:04:22 [trackbot]: action-252 -- Felix Sasaki to Ping dita folks about contacting html5 about ruby progress -- due 2013-09-05 -- OPEN
14:04:22 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/252
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14:04:54 [aphillip]: close action-340
14:04:54 [trackbot]: Closed action-340.
14:05:00 [Zakim]: + +1.415.231.aabb
14:05:12 [koji]: zakim, +1.415.231.aabb is me
14:05:12 [Zakim]: +koji; got it
14:05:50 [aphillip]: action-344?
14:05:50 [trackbot]: action-344 -- Addison Phillips to Respond to css on issue-334 -- due 2014-09-18 -- OPEN
14:05:50 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/344
14:05:57 [aphillip]: issue-334?
14:05:57 [trackbot]: issue-334 -- 'letter-spacing' and Indic -- open
14:05:57 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/334
14:06:11 [aphillip]: Topic: Info Share
14:06:45 [aphillip]: addison: welcomes new member Dennis Tan Tanaka
14:07:05 [aphillip]: DTan: work for verisign and working on IDN
14:07:44 [aphillip]: xiaoqian: my first call
14:08:18 [aphillip]: ... glad to help with issues related to chinese culture
14:08:52 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/18-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:09:19 [aphillip]: richard: published Encoding as CR on Tuesday
14:09:22 [aphillip]: (hurray)
14:09:26 [r12a]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Sep/0240.html
14:09:31 [aphillip]: richard: surprising thing happened
14:09:49 [aphillip]: ... dave hyatt at apple implementing bopomofo ruby
14:09:52 [aphillip]: ... works in nightly
14:10:00 [aphillip]: ... a few wrinkles yet to fix
14:10:05 [aphillip]: ... some test cases in the link, etc.
14:10:11 [fsasaki]: q+
14:10:20 [aphillip]: ack fsasaki
14:10:39 [aphillip]: fsasaki: considering dates of new MLWeb workshop
14:10:40 [Najib-ma]: q+
14:10:40 [fsasaki]: 27.4 - 29.4
14:10:48 [aphillip]: ... 27 to 29 april
14:11:00 [aphillip]: ... reserve the time if you wish to attend
14:11:07 [aphillip]: ack najib-ma
14:11:12 [Najib-ma]: What are the change between the two spec W3C and WhatWG?
14:11:26 [Najib-ma]: s/change/chenges/
14:11:36 [aphillip]: there are no differences other than the style and fixing the reference links
14:11:57 [r12a]: http://www.w3.org/International/tests/repository/encoding/indexes/results-aliases
14:12:19 [aphillip]: richard: tests for single byte encodings so far
14:12:37 [aphillip]: ... added android chrome mobile, safari mobile, and uc browser
14:12:52 [aphillip]: Agenda: RADAR
14:13:03 [aphillip]: https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
14:13:32 [aphillip]: Topic: What Time is this Meeting At?
14:15:10 [matial]: Nope, 1 hour earleir
14:15:55 [matial]: You cannot keep the wall tie for both hemispheres
14:16:04 [matial]: s/tie/time/
14:18:24 [matial]: the dog protests
14:19:30 [matial]: Pls give times as UTC
14:20:44 [aphillip]: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20141218&p1=234&p2=33&p3=136
14:22:20 [aphillip]: Topic: Report on China Layout Requirements
14:22:33 [aphillip]: richard: talked to cindy earlier and asked for update on the workshop last week
14:22:52 [aphillip]: xiaoqian: want to share news about chinese
14:23:05 [aphillip]: ... most people speak "chinese"
14:23:21 [aphillip]: ... but many minority languages
14:23:21 [xiaoqian]: http://www.chinaw3c.org/layout-workshop.html
14:23:33 [aphillip]: xiaoqian: you can find agenda above
14:23:39 [aphillip]: ... richard gave keynote about i18n wg
14:23:56 [aphillip]: ... (...) gave another about why we need that as well
14:24:09 [xiaoqian]: simplified Chinese, traditional Chinese, Tibetan, Uighur, Mongolian
14:24:30 [aphillip]: xiaoqian: monogolian folks were very well prepared
14:24:40 [xiaoqian]: http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/0911-Beihang-ZhReqWorkshop/Mongolian.pptx
14:25:12 [aphillip]: xiaoqian: in afternoon major digitial publishers
14:25:25 [aphillip]: ... shared concerns about progress on web
14:25:40 [aphillip]: ... all major players agreed that having a task force in w3c
14:25:49 [aphillip]: ... separate into chinese and then minority languages
14:26:02 [aphillip]: xiaoqian: also visited chinese browser vendors
14:26:12 [aphillip]: ... both very interested in having features in their products
14:26:20 [aphillip]: ... and international framework in their mobile products
14:26:29 [aphillip]: ... agreed to provide more details
14:26:37 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/18-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:27:06 [aphillip]: richard: quite a good result
14:27:24 [aphillip]: ... mongolian guys were most positive and prepared
14:27:44 [aphillip]: ... uighur script should interface at some point with arabic script
14:27:50 [aphillip]: ... planning to contact people
14:27:59 [aphillip]: ... and hope to make slides available in English
14:28:05 [aphillip]: ... as a small starting point
14:28:25 [aphillip]: ... cindy also working on chinese ruby information ready
14:28:30 [aphillip]: ... in early draft phase
14:28:36 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/18-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:28:42 [aphillip]: richard: big thing in the week
14:28:55 [aphillip]: ... seeing team using mobile devices all the time
14:29:05 [aphillip]: ... and made changes in the test framework
14:29:46 [aphillip]: richard: wechat and uzweb interested in test suites and i18n checker
14:30:04 [aphillip]: ... need to think more about mobile use cases
14:33:24 [aphillip]: addison: different "chinese" languages not all the same: can be separate documents or mail lists etc... or not
14:34:54 [aphillip]: xiaoqian: maybe separate into different groups as not all people speak Chinese that well
14:35:15 [aphillip]: richard: talk to PLH
14:36:00 [aphillip]: addison: very much want this information! glad to see this.
14:36:22 [r12a]: s/uzweb/UCWeb/
14:36:32 [aphillip]: Topic: Unencoded Scripts
14:36:43 [r12a]: thanks Cindy for the report !
14:37:07 [aphillip]: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Sep/0013.html
14:40:23 [aphillip]: Topic: AOB?
14:41:17 [aphillip]: koji: css3 text... currently 5 open issues
14:41:28 [aphillip]: ... but maybe I missed some open items?
14:44:16 [aphillip]: addison: (discusses issue mentiones previously)
14:44:32 [aphillip]: richard: on indic layout requirements
14:44:37 [aphillip]: ... they want to do FPWD
14:44:45 [aphillip]: ... think we should look at the document
14:44:50 [aphillip]: ... some structural comments
14:44:53 [aphillip]: ... maybe some gaps
14:45:00 [koji]: http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/products/10
14:46:26 [r12a]: http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/2
14:46:27 [aphillip]: action-343?
14:46:27 [trackbot]: action-343 -- Richard Ishida to Reply to css text issues listed in linked email in minutes with satisfaction (if satisfied) -- due 2014-09-18 -- OPEN
14:46:27 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/343
14:47:45 [koji]: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-text/issues-lc-2013
14:47:58 [aphillip]: koji: fantasai also manages a list in a text file (see above)
14:49:27 [aphillip]: richard: predefined counter styles item?
14:49:29 [aphillip]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2014JulSep/0313.html
14:49:35 [aphillip]: richard: interesting question
14:49:44 [aphillip]: ... ff supports all 120
14:49:58 [aphillip]: ... so you wouldn't need to define it in ff
14:50:08 [aphillip]: ... but no other browsers do that, so maybe confuses users
14:51:13 [r12a]: zakim, drop richard
14:51:14 [Zakim]: Richard is being disconnected
14:51:14 [Zakim]: -Richard
14:51:31 [r12a]: zakim, dial richard-home
14:51:31 [Zakim]: ok, r12a; the call is being made
14:51:33 [Zakim]: +Richard
14:52:00 [aphillip]: addison: if not all browsers implement
14:52:08 [aphillip]: ... then you still have to put into your stylesheet
14:52:19 [aphillip]: ... which makes the browser implementation pointless?
14:54:07 [aphillip]: koji: are you suggesting FF should remove?
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14:54:10 [aphillip]: richard: not sure
14:54:34 [aphillip]: ... my recommendation would be "always put into your CSS"
14:54:39 [aphillip]: ... but also not sure if should remove
14:55:00 [aphillip]: koji: in general FF prefers interoperability than doing better than other browsers
14:55:32 [aphillip]: ... also john said we don't want to keep increasing the list
14:56:26 [aphillip]: action: richard: respond to jonathan's note about counter styles
14:56:26 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-345 - Respond to jonathan's note about counter styles [on Richard Ishida - due 2014-09-25].
14:57:07 [Zakim]: -fsasaki
14:57:10 [Zakim]: -??P0
14:57:11 [Zakim]: -aphillip
14:57:11 [Zakim]: -DTan
14:57:13 [matial]: Bye
14:57:13 [Zakim]: -Xiaoqian
14:57:13 [Zakim]: -koji
14:57:17 [aphillip]: regrets+ Leandro
14:57:24 [aphillip]: rrsagent, make minutes
14:57:24 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/18-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:57:47 [Zakim]: -Richard
14:57:52 [Zakim]: -matial
14:57:53 [Zakim]: I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
14:57:53 [Zakim]: Attendees were Richard, Xiaoqian, aphillip, matial, [IPcaller], fsasaki, DTan, koji
14:58:17 [aphillip]: Present: Addison, Richard, Dennis, Felix, Koji, Mati, Xiaoqian
14:58:24 [aphillip]: rrsagent, make minutes
14:58:24 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/18-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:59:46 [r12a]: so today we had callers from Japan, China, Israel, Germany, UK, West Coast USA - not sure where Dennis is based, or Steve Atkin, JK is East Coast USA - but that's a pretty good spread already (in the Northern Hemisphere at least)
15:07:02 [xiaoqian]: 10pm works fine to me, although my dog always wants to join the conversation :)
15:15:15 [r12a]: :)
15:16:52 [r12a]: oh, and Najib from Morocco on IRC
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