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13:54:35 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
13:54:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
13:54:39 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
13:54:39 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
13:54:40 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:54:40 <trackbot> Date: 18 September 2014
13:54:56 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Sep/0014.html
13:55:00 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:55:04 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
13:55:08 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
13:55:15 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:55:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/18-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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13:59:34 <Zakim> + +1.703.948.aaaa
13:59:41 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
13:59:41 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
13:59:42 <Zakim> +Richard
13:59:47 <xiaoqian> zakim, call xiaoqian-mobile
13:59:47 <Zakim> ok, xiaoqian; the call is being made
13:59:48 <Zakim> +Xiaoqian
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14:00:27 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
14:00:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.703.948.aaaa, Richard, Xiaoqian
14:00:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see Najib-ma, matial, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, xiaoqian, fsasaki, fantasai, r12a, trackbot
14:00:38 <Zakim> +aphillip
14:01:07 <Zakim> +??P12
14:01:21 <matial> zakim, ??P12 is me
14:01:21 <Zakim> +matial; got it
14:01:43 <aphillip> zakim, +1.703.948.aaaa is Dennis
14:01:43 <Zakim> +Dennis; got it
14:01:50 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:02:07 <r12a> zakim, 1.703 is Dennis
14:02:07 <Zakim> sorry, r12a, I do not recognize a party named '1.703'
14:02:14 <r12a> zakim, +1.703 is Dennis
14:02:14 <Zakim> sorry, r12a, I do not recognize a party named '+1.703'
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14:02:57 <aphillip> zakim, Dennis is DTan
14:02:57 <Zakim> +DTan; got it
14:03:10 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
14:03:14 <aphillip> Regrets: JcK
14:03:29 <Zakim> +??P0
14:03:49 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
14:03:56 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:04:22 <aphillip> action-252?
14:04:22 <trackbot> action-252 -- Felix Sasaki to Ping dita folks about contacting html5 about ruby progress -- due 2013-09-05 -- OPEN
14:04:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/252
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14:04:54 <aphillip> close action-340
14:04:54 <trackbot> Closed action-340.
14:05:00 <Zakim> + +1.415.231.aabb
14:05:12 <koji> zakim, +1.415.231.aabb is me
14:05:12 <Zakim> +koji; got it
14:05:50 <aphillip> action-344?
14:05:50 <trackbot> action-344 -- Addison Phillips to Respond to css on issue-334 -- due 2014-09-18 -- OPEN
14:05:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/344
14:05:57 <aphillip> issue-334?
14:05:57 <trackbot> issue-334 -- 'letter-spacing' and Indic -- open
14:05:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/334
14:06:11 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
14:06:45 <aphillip> addison: welcomes new member Dennis Tan Tanaka
14:07:05 <aphillip> DTan: work for verisign and working on IDN
14:07:44 <aphillip> xiaoqian: my first call
14:08:18 <aphillip> ... glad to help with issues related to chinese culture
14:08:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/18-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:09:19 <aphillip> richard: published Encoding as CR on Tuesday
14:09:22 <aphillip> (hurray)
14:09:26 <r12a> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Sep/0240.html
14:09:31 <aphillip> richard: surprising thing happened
14:09:49 <aphillip> ... dave hyatt at apple implementing bopomofo ruby
14:09:52 <aphillip> ... works in nightly
14:10:00 <aphillip> ... a few wrinkles yet to fix
14:10:05 <aphillip> ... some test cases in the link, etc.
14:10:11 <fsasaki> q+
14:10:20 <aphillip> ack fsasaki
14:10:39 <aphillip> fsasaki: considering dates of new MLWeb workshop
14:10:40 <Najib-ma> q+
14:10:40 <fsasaki> 27.4 - 29.4
14:10:48 <aphillip> ... 27 to 29 april
14:11:00 <aphillip> ... reserve the time if you wish to attend
14:11:07 <aphillip> ack najib-ma
14:11:12 <Najib-ma> What are the change between the two spec W3C and WhatWG?
14:11:26 <Najib-ma> s/change/chenges/
14:11:36 <aphillip> there are no differences other than the style and fixing the reference links
14:11:57 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/repository/encoding/indexes/results-aliases
14:12:19 <aphillip> richard: tests for single byte encodings so far
14:12:37 <aphillip> ... added android chrome mobile, safari mobile, and uc browser
14:12:52 <aphillip> Agenda: RADAR
14:13:03 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
14:13:32 <aphillip> Topic: What Time is this Meeting At?
14:15:10 <matial> Nope, 1 hour earleir
14:15:55 <matial> You cannot keep the wall tie for both hemispheres
14:16:04 <matial> s/tie/time/
14:18:24 <matial> the dog protests
14:19:30 <matial> Pls give times as UTC
14:20:44 <aphillip> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20141218&p1=234&p2=33&p3=136
14:22:20 <aphillip> Topic: Report on China Layout Requirements
14:22:33 <aphillip> richard: talked to cindy earlier and asked for update on the workshop last week
14:22:52 <aphillip> xiaoqian: want to share news about chinese
14:23:05 <aphillip> ... most people speak "chinese"
14:23:21 <aphillip> ... but many minority languages
14:23:21 <xiaoqian> http://www.chinaw3c.org/layout-workshop.html
14:23:33 <aphillip> xiaoqian: you can find agenda above
14:23:39 <aphillip> ... richard gave keynote about i18n wg
14:23:56 <aphillip> ... (...) gave another about why we need that as well
14:24:09 <xiaoqian>  simplified Chinese, traditional Chinese, Tibetan, Uighur, Mongolian
14:24:30 <aphillip> xiaoqian: monogolian folks were very well prepared
14:24:40 <xiaoqian> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/0911-Beihang-ZhReqWorkshop/Mongolian.pptx
14:25:12 <aphillip> xiaoqian: in afternoon major digitial publishers
14:25:25 <aphillip> ... shared concerns about progress on web
14:25:40 <aphillip> ... all major players agreed that having a task force in w3c
14:25:49 <aphillip> ... separate into chinese and then minority languages
14:26:02 <aphillip> xiaoqian: also visited chinese browser vendors
14:26:12 <aphillip> ... both very interested in having features in their products
14:26:20 <aphillip> ... and international framework in their mobile products
14:26:29 <aphillip> ... agreed to provide more details
14:26:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/18-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:27:06 <aphillip> richard: quite a good result
14:27:24 <aphillip> ... mongolian guys were most positive and prepared
14:27:44 <aphillip> ... uighur script should interface at some point with arabic script
14:27:50 <aphillip> ... planning to contact people
14:27:59 <aphillip> ... and hope to make slides available in English
14:28:05 <aphillip> ... as a small starting point
14:28:25 <aphillip> ... cindy also working on chinese ruby information ready
14:28:30 <aphillip> ... in early draft phase
14:28:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/18-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:28:42 <aphillip> richard: big thing in the week
14:28:55 <aphillip> ... seeing team using mobile devices all the time
14:29:05 <aphillip> ... and made changes in the test framework
14:29:46 <aphillip> richard: wechat and uzweb interested in test suites and i18n checker
14:30:04 <aphillip> ... need to think more about mobile use cases
14:33:24 <aphillip> addison: different "chinese" languages not all the same: can be separate documents or mail lists etc... or not
14:34:54 <aphillip> xiaoqian: maybe separate into different groups as not all people speak Chinese that well
14:35:15 <aphillip> richard: talk to PLH
14:36:00 <aphillip> addison: very much want this information! glad to see this.
14:36:22 <r12a> s/uzweb/UCWeb/
14:36:32 <aphillip> Topic: Unencoded Scripts
14:36:43 <r12a> thanks Cindy for the report !
14:37:07 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Sep/0013.html
14:40:23 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
14:41:17 <aphillip> koji: css3 text... currently 5 open issues
14:41:28 <aphillip> ... but maybe I missed some open items?
14:44:16 <aphillip> addison: (discusses issue mentiones previously)
14:44:32 <aphillip> richard: on indic layout requirements
14:44:37 <aphillip> ... they want to do FPWD
14:44:45 <aphillip> ... think we should look at the document
14:44:50 <aphillip> ... some structural comments
14:44:53 <aphillip> ... maybe some gaps
14:45:00 <koji> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/products/10
14:46:26 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/2
14:46:27 <aphillip> action-343?
14:46:27 <trackbot> action-343 -- Richard Ishida to Reply to css text issues listed in linked email in minutes with satisfaction (if satisfied) -- due 2014-09-18 -- OPEN
14:46:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/343
14:47:45 <koji> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-text/issues-lc-2013
14:47:58 <aphillip> koji: fantasai also manages a list in a text file (see above)
14:49:27 <aphillip> richard: predefined counter styles item?
14:49:29 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2014JulSep/0313.html
14:49:35 <aphillip> richard: interesting question
14:49:44 <aphillip> ... ff supports all 120
14:49:58 <aphillip> ... so you wouldn't need to define it in ff
14:50:08 <aphillip> ... but no other browsers do that, so maybe confuses users
14:51:13 <r12a> zakim, drop richard
14:51:14 <Zakim> Richard is being disconnected
14:51:14 <Zakim> -Richard
14:51:31 <r12a> zakim, dial richard-home
14:51:31 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
14:51:33 <Zakim> +Richard
14:52:00 <aphillip> addison: if not all browsers implement
14:52:08 <aphillip> ... then you still have to put into your stylesheet
14:52:19 <aphillip> ... which makes the browser implementation pointless?
14:54:07 <aphillip> koji: are you suggesting FF should remove?
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14:54:10 <aphillip> richard: not sure
14:54:34 <aphillip> ... my recommendation would be "always put into your CSS"
14:54:39 <aphillip> ... but also not sure if should remove
14:55:00 <aphillip> koji: in general FF prefers interoperability than doing better than other browsers
14:55:32 <aphillip> ... also john said we don't want to keep increasing the list
14:56:26 <aphillip> action: richard: respond to jonathan's note about counter styles
14:56:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-345 - Respond to jonathan's note about counter styles [on Richard Ishida - due 2014-09-25].
14:57:07 <Zakim> -fsasaki
14:57:10 <Zakim> -??P0
14:57:11 <Zakim> -aphillip
14:57:11 <Zakim> -DTan
14:57:13 <matial> Bye
14:57:13 <Zakim> -Xiaoqian
14:57:13 <Zakim> -koji
14:57:17 <aphillip> regrets+ Leandro
14:57:24 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
14:57:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/18-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:57:47 <Zakim> -Richard
14:57:52 <Zakim> -matial
14:57:53 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
14:57:53 <Zakim> Attendees were Richard, Xiaoqian, aphillip, matial, [IPcaller], fsasaki, DTan, koji
14:58:17 <aphillip> Present: Addison, Richard, Dennis, Felix, Koji, Mati, Xiaoqian
14:58:24 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
14:58:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/18-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:59:46 <r12a> so today we had callers from Japan, China, Israel, Germany, UK, West Coast USA - not sure where Dennis is based, or Steve Atkin, JK is East Coast USA - but that's a pretty good spread already (in the Northern Hemisphere at least)
15:07:02 <xiaoqian> 10pm works fine to me, although my dog always wants to join the conversation :)
15:15:15 <r12a> :)
15:16:52 <r12a> oh, and Najib from Morocco on IRC
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