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08:19:16 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/04/01-dwbp-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/04/01-dwbp-irc ←
08:19:24 <PhilA> rrsagent, make logs public
Phil Archer: rrsagent, make logs public ←
08:19:27 <gatemezi> Today seems here our Eduroam connection is down
Ghislain Atemezing: Today seems here our Eduroam connection is down ←
08:19:30 <MakxDekkers> * o
Makx Dekkers: * o ←
08:19:46 <PhilA> meeting: DWBP WG F2F Day 2
08:19:51 <PhilA> chair: Hadley
08:19:51 <PhilA> Guest: Jeremy Debattista
08:19:51 <PhilA> Guest: Brian Matthews
08:19:52 <MakxDekkers> Phil how do you do those starry comments?
Makx Dekkers: Phil how do you do those starry comments? ←
08:20:55 <ericstephan> Is zzzzakim awake yet for phone service?
Eric Stephan: Is zzzzakim awake yet for phone service? ←
08:20:57 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I can't dial in to Zakim
Joao Almeida: I can't dial in to Zakim ←
08:21:45 <PhilA> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014
08:22:02 <MakxDekkers> would be nice to have hangout today too
Makx Dekkers: would be nice to have hangout today too ←
08:23:05 <deirdrelee> hangout setup, will post the link in a second...
Deirdre Lee: hangout setup, will post the link in a second... ←
08:23:17 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> "the conference is restricted at this time"
Joao Almeida: "the conference is restricted at this time" ←
08:23:31 <PhilA> zakim, room for 4?
Phil Archer: zakim, room for 4? ←
08:23:33 <Zakim> ok, PhilA; conference Team_(dwbp)08:23Z scheduled with code 3927 (DWBP) for 60 minutes until 0923Z
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, PhilA; conference Team_(dwbp)08:23Z scheduled with code 3927 (DWBP) for 60 minutes until 0923Z ←
08:23:38 <PhilA> zakim, code?
Phil Archer: zakim, code? ←
08:23:38 <Zakim> the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA ←
08:23:59 <deirdrelee> new google hangout for this morning here https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014#Google_Hangout
Deirdre Lee: new google hangout for this morning here https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014#Google_Hangout ←
08:24:02 <Zakim> Team_(dwbp)08:23Z has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: Team_(dwbp)08:23Z has now started ←
08:24:09 <Zakim> +ericstephan
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericstephan ←
08:24:45 <laufer> +laufer
Carlos Laufer: +laufer ←
08:25:11 <adler1> HadleyBeeman: I want us to split into group and work on use cases and vocabularies
Hadley Beeman: I want us to split into group and work on use cases and vocabularies [ Scribe Assist by Steven Adler ] ←
08:25:18 <adler1> ... we don't have much for each of them
Steven Adler: ... we don't have much for each of them ←
08:25:35 <adler1> ... we can start by creating wiki pages like we did yesterday for best practices
Steven Adler: ... we can start by creating wiki pages like we did yesterday for best practices ←
08:25:45 <HadleyBeeman> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Best_practices_notes
Hadley Beeman: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Best_practices_notes ←
08:26:01 <deirdrelee> Good morning Makx, we're in a different room today
Deirdre Lee: Good morning Makx, we're in a different room today ←
08:26:15 <HadleyBeeman> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014#Preparation
Hadley Beeman: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014#Preparation ←
08:26:20 <adler1> ... it would be great if we had other pages and can take headers from documents that are online
Steven Adler: ... it would be great if we had other pages and can take headers from documents that are online ←
08:26:34 <adler1> ... for best practices we can steal headers from mobile best practices
Steven Adler: ... for best practices we can steal headers from mobile best practices ←
08:26:37 <adler1> ... etc
Steven Adler: ... etc ←
08:27:00 <Zakim> -ericstephan
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericstephan ←
08:27:01 <Zakim> Team_(dwbp)08:23Z has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: Team_(dwbp)08:23Z has ended ←
08:27:01 <Zakim> Attendees were ericstephan
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were ericstephan ←
08:27:12 <adler1> ... each group will need a scribe and to keep track of actions coming out of discussions
Steven Adler: ... each group will need a scribe and to keep track of actions coming out of discussions ←
08:27:53 <Zakim> Team_(dwbp)08:23Z has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: Team_(dwbp)08:23Z has now started ←
08:28:00 <Zakim> +Steve
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steve ←
08:28:03 <Zakim> +ericstephan
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericstephan ←
08:28:44 <adler1> ... we can look at use cases and existing work that is relevant
Steven Adler: ... we can look at use cases and existing work that is relevant ←
08:29:05 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
08:29:12 <JoaoPauloAlmeida_> Zakim, IPcaller is me
Joao Almeida: Zakim, IPcaller is me ←
08:29:12 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida_; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JoaoPauloAlmeida_; got it ←
08:29:14 <PhilA> zakim, Steve has Hadley, Yaso, Flavio, Newton, Bernadette, Ig, Deirdre, Jeremy, Adriano, Brian, Laufer, Vagner, JohnG, MarkH, Antoine, Caroline, PhilA
Phil Archer: zakim, Steve has Hadley, Yaso, Flavio, Newton, Bernadette, Ig, Deirdre, Jeremy, Adriano, Brian, Laufer, Vagner, JohnG, MarkH, Antoine, Caroline, PhilA ←
08:29:14 <Zakim> +Hadley, Yaso, Flavio, Newton, Bernadette, Ig, Deirdre, Jeremy, Adriano, Brian, Laufer, Vagner, JohnG, MarkH, Antoine, Caroline, PhilA; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Hadley, Yaso, Flavio, Newton, Bernadette, Ig, Deirdre, Jeremy, Adriano, Brian, Laufer, Vagner, JohnG, MarkH, Antoine, Caroline, PhilA; got it ←
08:29:16 <adler1> deirdrelee: we can split challenges into the three groups
Deirdre Lee: we can split challenges into the three groups [ Scribe Assist by Steven Adler ] ←
08:29:48 <ericstephan> Good morning!
Eric Stephan: Good morning! ←
08:29:53 <JoaoPauloAlmeida_> good morning
Joao Almeida: good morning ←
08:30:38 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, IPcaller is me
Joao Almeida: Zakim, IPcaller is me ←
08:30:38 <Zakim> sorry, JoaoPauloAlmeida, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, JoaoPauloAlmeida, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller' ←
08:30:56 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I am having some technical problems, sound is very bad
Joao Almeida: I am having some technical problems, sound is very bad ←
08:30:57 <deirdrelee> Challenges google doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhTZf3B9yQ3odGVvU3pBazFsY3pyUVppNDFSZGtyQkE&usp=sharing&richtext=true#gid=5
Deirdre Lee: Challenges google doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhTZf3B9yQ3odGVvU3pBazFsY3pyUVppNDFSZGtyQkE&usp=sharing&richtext=true#gid=5 ←
08:31:22 <ericstephan> not great sound at this point....
Eric Stephan: not great sound at this point.... ←
08:31:31 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Sound was good yesterday, but quite bad today
Joao Almeida: Sound was good yesterday, but quite bad today ←
08:31:33 <ericstephan> might be part of a dream sequence
Eric Stephan: might be part of a dream sequence ←
08:32:13 <deirdrelee> on second tab, master challenges
Deirdre Lee: on second tab, master challenges ←
08:32:13 <ericstephan> It might be too tough with the breakouts
Eric Stephan: It might be too tough with the breakouts ←
08:32:14 <HadleyBeeman> sorry, joaopaulo and ericstephan. We're trying to make it better — it's a bigger room.
Hadley Beeman: sorry, joaopaulo and ericstephan. We're trying to make it better — it's a bigger room. ←
08:32:16 <nathalia> the sound for me is a little low
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: the sound for me is a little low ←
08:32:35 <ericstephan> is the facility under water?
Eric Stephan: is the facility under water? ←
08:32:44 <MakxDekkers> sound on hangout is reasonable
Makx Dekkers: sound on hangout is reasonable ←
08:32:51 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> what's different from yesterday?
Joao Almeida: what's different from yesterday? ←
08:33:01 <HadleyBeeman> joaopaulo: it's a different room
Joao Almeida: it's a different room [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
08:33:01 <gatemezi_> same problem here ..
Ghislain Atemezing: same problem here .. ←
08:33:21 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> ok
Joao Almeida: ok ←
08:33:21 <ericstephan> IRC might be our best friend today
Eric Stephan: IRC might be our best friend today ←
08:33:32 <MakxDekkers> better than yesterday, i guess it's room acoustics
Makx Dekkers: better than yesterday, i guess it's room acoustics ←
08:33:36 <HadleyBeeman> I'm afraid there's not much we can do. I think ericstephan is right: IRC may be even more important than usual.
Hadley Beeman: I'm afraid there's not much we can do. I think ericstephan is right: IRC may be even more important than usual. ←
08:33:43 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I'll try the sound in hangout
Joao Almeida: I'll try the sound in hangout ←
08:34:12 <adler1> deirdrelee: the first one is metadata and it relates to vocabularies as well
Deirdre Lee: the first one is metadata and it relates to vocabularies as well [ Scribe Assist by Steven Adler ] ←
08:34:25 <adler1> ... I propose metadata would go in best practices group
Steven Adler: ... I propose metadata would go in best practices group ←
08:34:54 <Zakim> -ericstephan
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericstephan ←
08:34:57 <adler1> ... the second challenge is the granularity of data to publish
Steven Adler: ... the second challenge is the granularity of data to publish ←
08:35:20 <adler1> ... formats - CSV and other formats
Steven Adler: ... formats - CSV and other formats ←
08:35:32 <adler1> ... different indictors
Steven Adler: ... different indictors ←
08:35:42 <adler1> ... heterogeneous formats
Steven Adler: ... heterogeneous formats ←
08:35:55 <HadleyBeeman> I've updated the agenda for today: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014#2nd_day_.2801.2F04.29
Hadley Beeman: I've updated the agenda for today: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014#2nd_day_.2801.2F04.29 ←
08:35:59 <adler1> ... common vobs are not used
Steven Adler: ... common vobs are not used ←
08:36:14 <adler1> ... added value comes from comparable data sets combined
Steven Adler: ... added value comes from comparable data sets combined ←
08:36:29 <adler1> ... usw
Steven Adler: ... usw ←
08:37:27 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←
08:37:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Steve, JoaoPauloAlmeida_
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Steve, JoaoPauloAlmeida_ ←
08:37:29 <Zakim> Steve has Hadley, Yaso, Flavio, Newton, Bernadette, Ig, Deirdre, Jeremy, Adriano, Brian, Laufer, Vagner, JohnG, MarkH, Antoine, Caroline, PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: Steve has Hadley, Yaso, Flavio, Newton, Bernadette, Ig, Deirdre, Jeremy, Adriano, Brian, Laufer, Vagner, JohnG, MarkH, Antoine, Caroline, PhilA ←
08:37:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see adrianov, JoaoPauloAlmeida, gatemezi_, BernadetteLoscio, antoine, fkyanai, yaso, HadleyBeeman, markharrison, deirdrelee, Ig_Bittencourt_, jeremy, RRSAgent, Zakim,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see adrianov, JoaoPauloAlmeida, gatemezi_, BernadetteLoscio, antoine, fkyanai, yaso, HadleyBeeman, markharrison, deirdrelee, Ig_Bittencourt_, jeremy, RRSAgent, Zakim, ←
08:37:29 <Zakim> ... PhilA, Caroline_, JohnGoodwin, adler1, laufer, newton, ericstephan, nathalia, gatemezi, MakxDekkers, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... PhilA, Caroline_, JohnGoodwin, adler1, laufer, newton, ericstephan, nathalia, gatemezi, MakxDekkers, trackbot ←
08:37:37 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida_
Zakim IRC Bot: -JoaoPauloAlmeida_ ←
08:37:42 <PhilA> present+ Carlos
Phil Archer: present+ Carlos ←
08:37:58 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> PhilA, again this code is not valid
Joao Almeida: PhilA, again this code is not valid ←
08:38:13 <ericstephan> I am just hanging out on IRC
Eric Stephan: I am just hanging out on IRC ←
08:40:33 <Zakim> +MakxDekkers
Zakim IRC Bot: +MakxDekkers ←
08:40:56 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> adler1, please do not forget to scribe on behalf of us remote participants
Joao Almeida: adler1, please do not forget to scribe on behalf of us remote participants ←
08:41:04 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, steve has me
Hadley Beeman: zakim, steve has me ←
08:41:04 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman; got it ←
08:42:04 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
08:42:14 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, IPcaller is me
Joao Almeida: Zakim, IPcaller is me ←
08:42:14 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it ←
08:43:33 <adler1> deidrelee is reading all the challenges from the spreadsheet
Steven Adler: deidrelee is reading all the challenges from the spreadsheet ←
08:43:45 <Zakim> +ericstephan
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericstephan ←
08:44:30 <nathalia> I'm not hearing nothing
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: I'm not hearing nothing ←
08:45:01 <nathalia> Hangout is mute
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: Hangout is mute ←
08:45:06 <ericstephan> no sound at all nathalia?
Eric Stephan: no sound at all nathalia? ←
08:46:10 <nathalia> no sound at all
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: no sound at all ←
08:46:18 <nathalia> at Hangout
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: at Hangout ←
08:47:41 <nathalia> No more parties can be added this time
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: No more parties can be added this time ←
08:47:46 <nathalia> :(
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: :( ←
08:47:53 <nathalia> Zakim said this
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: Zakim said this ←
08:47:55 <PhilA> zakim, room for 1 more?
Phil Archer: zakim, room for 1 more? ←
08:47:55 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, PhilA.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, PhilA. ←
08:48:04 <PhilA> zakim, room for 2?
Phil Archer: zakim, room for 2? ←
08:48:06 <Zakim> sorry, PhilA; could not schedule an adhoc conference; passcode overlap; if you do not have a fixed code you may try again
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, PhilA; could not schedule an adhoc conference; passcode overlap; if you do not have a fixed code you may try again ←
08:49:10 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> deirdrelee is almost at the end of the challenges spreadsheet
Joao Almeida: deirdrelee is almost at the end of the challenges spreadsheet ←
08:49:47 <ericstephan> Okay I'll hang up and wait on IRC PhilA
Eric Stephan: Okay I'll hang up and wait on IRC PhilA ←
08:49:48 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, who is talking?
Joao Almeida: Zakim, who is talking? ←
08:49:50 <nathalia> ok PhilA
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: ok PhilA ←
08:49:54 <Zakim> -ericstephan
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericstephan ←
08:50:00 <Zakim> JoaoPauloAlmeida, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MakxDekkers (31%), Steve (13%)
Zakim IRC Bot: JoaoPauloAlmeida, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MakxDekkers (31%), Steve (13%) ←
08:50:01 <newton> Zakim, who is making noise?
Newton Calegari: Zakim, who is making noise? ←
08:50:13 <Zakim> newton, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MakxDekkers (57%), Steve (86%)
Zakim IRC Bot: newton, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MakxDekkers (57%), Steve (86%) ←
08:50:18 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> MakxDekkers, can you mute yourself?
Joao Almeida: MakxDekkers, can you mute yourself? ←
08:50:27 <MakxDekkers> zakim, mute me
Makx Dekkers: zakim, mute me ←
08:50:27 <Zakim> MakxDekkers should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MakxDekkers should now be muted ←
08:50:45 <ericstephan> Is it the rain in Spain Makx?
Eric Stephan: Is it the rain in Spain Makx? ←
08:50:57 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
08:51:18 <nathalia> I'm at Zakim
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: I'm at Zakim ←
08:51:27 <adler1> ... they could all go into best practice and pull out the ones into data usage and granulatiry and they others can go into the other group
Steven Adler: ... they could all go into best practice and pull out the ones into data usage and granulatiry and they others can go into the other group ←
08:51:38 <PhilA> zakim, ipcaller is nathalia
Phil Archer: zakim, ipcaller is nathalia ←
08:51:38 <Zakim> +nathalia; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +nathalia; got it ←
08:51:44 <nathalia> :))
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: :)) ←
08:52:15 <PhilA> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
08:52:20 <adler1> had: our next step is to plit into groups
Steven Adler: HadleyBeeman our next step is to split into groups ←
08:52:57 <laufer> s/plit/split/
08:53:25 <gatemezi_> s/had:/HadleyBeeman
08:53:44 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I could be in group 1 if I good hear :-O
Joao Almeida: I could be in group 1 if I good hear :-O ←
08:54:07 <gatemezi_> which are the groups?
Ghislain Atemezing: which are the groups? ←
08:54:20 <PhilA> Thing 1 is best Practices
Phil Archer: Thing 1 is best Practices ←
08:54:25 <adler1> had: the discussion groups will discuss use cases and the structure of the documents
Hadley Beeman: the discussion groups will discuss use cases and the structure of the documents [ Scribe Assist by Steven Adler ] ←
08:54:28 <PhilA> Thing 2 is Quality & Granularity
Phil Archer: Thing 2 is Quality & Granularity ←
08:54:32 <PhilA> Thing 3 is Data Usage
Phil Archer: Thing 3 is Data Usage ←
08:54:34 <adler1> creating requiremenst from the challenges
Steven Adler: creating requiremenst from the challenges ←
08:54:50 <adler1> the requirements we come up with will go into the use case docuemnt
Steven Adler: the requirements we come up with will go into the use case docuemnt ←
08:54:59 <PhilA> Not writing the vocabs, but working on requirements for those requirements
Phil Archer: Not writing the vocabs, but working on requirements for those requirements ←
08:55:20 <adler1> who are the discussion leaders - each group decides
Steven Adler: who are the discussion leaders - each group decides ←
08:56:03 <nathalia> ok
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: ok ←
08:58:35 <gatemezi_> Can't we merge Thing 2 and Thing 3 ?
Ghislain Atemezing: Can't we merge Thing 2 and Thing 3 ? ←
09:02:54 <HadleyBeeman> gatemezi_: the decisions may merge, but first we need to sort out the notes and use cases for each.
Ghislain Atemezing: the decisions may merge, but first we need to sort out the notes and use cases for each. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
09:03:27 <gatemezi_> Ok, HadleyBeeman
Ghislain Atemezing: Ok, HadleyBeeman ←
09:03:32 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> sound is gone worse now
Joao Almeida: sound is gone worse now ←
09:03:38 <ericstephan> During this breakout time I'm wondering for productivity if it would be helpful to spend some time doing analysis between syergistic/overlapping CSVW Use Cases and DWBP Challenges. Would this be too divergent?
Eric Stephan: During this breakout time I'm wondering for productivity if it would be helpful to spend some time doing analysis between syergistic/overlapping CSVW Use Cases and DWBP Challenges. Would this be too divergent? ←
09:04:04 <adler1> leigh dods is doing some work on licensing in ODI and we agreed to park that idea and come back to it later
Steven Adler: leigh dods is doing some work on licensing in ODI and we agreed to park that idea and come back to it later ←
09:04:26 <PhilA> I was suggesting that we split off licences, i.e. machine readable licences. Invite Leigh Dodds, and perhaps the ODRL folks, to look at that. This WG *could* be a vehicle for standardisation of that work if a) this WG felt it useful; b) extra capacity came to the WG to deliver it
Phil Archer: I was suggesting that we split off licences, i.e. machine readable licences. Invite Leigh Dodds, and perhaps the ODRL folks, to look at that. This WG *could* be a vehicle for standardisation of that work if a) this WG felt it useful; b) extra capacity came to the WG to deliver it ←
09:05:03 <PhilA> action: PhilA to contact Leigh Dodds wrt exchangeable licences etc.
ACTION: PhilA to contact Leigh Dodds wrt exchangeable licences etc. ←
09:05:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Contact leigh dodds wrt exchangeable licences etc. [on Phil Archer - due 2014-04-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-17 - Contact leigh dodds wrt exchangeable licences etc. [on Phil Archer - due 2014-04-08]. ←
09:05:55 <antoine> for the record i am also to do some work on licenses for europeans
Antoine Isaac: for the record i am also to do some work on licenses for europeans ←
09:06:14 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> so, what's going on?
Joao Almeida: so, what's going on? ←
09:06:51 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> HadleyBeeman, what's going on?
Joao Almeida: HadleyBeeman, what's going on? ←
09:06:52 <HadleyBeeman> JoaoPaulo, Makx, Eric:
Hadley Beeman: JoaoPaulo, Makx, Eric: ←
09:06:53 <nathalia> I'm thinking is dividing groups
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: I'm thinking is dividing groups ←
09:07:05 <HadleyBeeman> (and nathalia, gatemezi)
Hadley Beeman: (and nathalia, gatemezi) ←
09:07:29 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> It's so crazy that video feed is good and sound terrible...
Joao Almeida: It's so crazy that video feed is good and sound terrible... ←
09:07:33 <HadleyBeeman> We are splitting up into 3 groups. One for Best practices, one for Data usage vocab, one for data quality vocab.
Hadley Beeman: We are splitting up into 3 groups. One for Best practices, one for Data usage vocab, one for data quality vocab. ←
09:07:46 <HadleyBeeman> Give us a sec — I will tell you how to join
Hadley Beeman: Give us a sec — I will tell you how to join ←
09:07:51 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> thx
Joao Almeida: thx ←
09:07:52 <nathalia> ok
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: ok ←
09:07:56 <gatemezi_> ok
Ghislain Atemezing: ok ←
09:07:58 <ericstephan> Ok great, thank you
Eric Stephan: Ok great, thank you ←
09:12:36 <Zakim> -MakxDekkers
Zakim IRC Bot: -MakxDekkers ←
09:12:46 <laufer> çlaufer
Carlos Laufer: çlaufer ←
09:12:55 <laufer> -laufer
Carlos Laufer: -laufer ←
09:13:04 <Caroline_> Best Practices groups is working on IRC #dwbpbestpractices
Caroline Burle: Best Practices groups is working on IRC #dwbpbestpractices ←
09:13:26 <yaso> dwbp-DataUsage
Yaso Córdova: dwbp-DataUsage ←
09:13:42 <yaso> Data Usage Task force: #dwbp-DataUsage
Yaso Córdova: Data Usage Task force: #dwbp-DataUsage ←
09:14:10 <Zakim> -nathalia
Zakim IRC Bot: -nathalia ←
09:16:13 <HadleyBeeman> Okay, remote participants: we are splitting into the groups, each with their own IRC channel.
Hadley Beeman: Okay, remote participants: we are splitting into the groups, each with their own IRC channel. ←
09:16:44 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> ok, What about sound/hang out?
Joao Almeida: ok, What about sound/hang out? ←
09:16:47 <HadleyBeeman> They are working on notes on the wiki: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page#Deliverables
Hadley Beeman: They are working on notes on the wiki: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page#Deliverables ←
09:17:14 <deirdrelee> IRC Channel for quality and granularity group is #dwbpq&g
Deirdre Lee: IRC Channel for quality and granularity group is #dwbpq&g ←
09:17:33 <HadleyBeeman> JoaoPauloAlmeida, there is a google hangout in the Best Practices discussion, and a Skype connection in the Data Quality discussion
Hadley Beeman: JoaoPauloAlmeida, there is a google hangout in the Best Practices discussion, and a Skype connection in the Data Quality discussion ←
09:18:16 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
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09:18:48 <HadleyBeeman> And a hangout for the Data Usage discussion too, I think.
Hadley Beeman: And a hangout for the Data Usage discussion too, I think. ←
09:19:20 <jeremy> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_notes
Jeremy Debattista: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_notes ←
09:19:52 <Caroline_> Zakim, who's here?
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09:19:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see Steve
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09:19:54 <Zakim> Steve has HadleyBeeman
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09:19:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see MakxDekkers, BrianMatthews, yaso, fkyanai, CarlosIglesias, adrianov, JoaoPauloAlmeida, BernadetteLoscio, antoine, HadleyBeeman, markharrison, deirdrelee, jeremy,
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09:19:54 <Zakim> ... RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA, Caroline_, JohnGoodwin, adler1, nathalia, gatemezi, trackbot
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09:21:04 <adler1> PhilA, when you publish a dataset its for the potential users of the dataset is this a one off and will it be updated every month
Steven Adler: PhilA, when you publish a dataset its for the potential users of the dataset is this a one off and will it be updated every month ←
09:21:26 <adler1> ... what ever the update period is where is the policy that says you are going to do so
Steven Adler: ... what ever the update period is where is the policy that says you are going to do so ←
09:22:06 <HadleyBeeman> topic: Data quality task force
09:23:03 <adler1> .. DCAT is missing things that we can add to
Steven Adler: .. DCAT is missing things that we can add to ←
09:23:36 <MakxDekkers> q+
Makx Dekkers: q+ ←
09:24:13 <deirdrelee> ack PhilA
Deirdre Lee: ack PhilA ←
09:24:17 <deirdrelee> ack MakxDekkers
Deirdre Lee: ack MakxDekkers ←
09:25:00 <deirdrelee> MakxDekkers: the subjective quality parameters are more difficult to capture and represent
Makx Dekkers: the subjective quality parameters are more difficult to capture and represent [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
09:25:18 <deirdrelee> ... should be careful not to mix these with the objective aspects, which will lead to quality
Deirdre Lee: ... should be careful not to mix these with the objective aspects, which will lead to quality ←
09:25:49 <deirdrelee> adler1: could we include both?
Steven Adler: could we include both? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
09:25:50 <deirdrelee> PhilA: how to express something that is subjective
Phil Archer: how to express something that is subjective [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
09:27:08 <adler1> jeremy, metrics are subjective to each person point of view
Steven Adler: jeremy, metrics are subjective to each person point of view ←
09:27:34 <adler1> ... we encounter a number of subjective metrics
Steven Adler: ... we encounter a number of subjective metrics ←
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09:28:01 <Zakim> Attendees were ericstephan, JoaoPauloAlmeida_, Hadley, Yaso, Flavio, Newton, Bernadette, Ig, Deirdre, Jeremy, Adriano, Brian, Laufer, Vagner, JohnG, MarkH, Antoine, Caroline,
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09:28:01 <Zakim> ... PhilA, MakxDekkers, HadleyBeeman, JoaoPauloAlmeida, nathalia
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09:31:08 <deirdrelee> adler1: quality should be bidirectional, user opinions should be incorporated
Steven Adler: quality should be bidirectional, user opinions should be incorporated [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
09:31:49 <MakxDekkers> can we separate and start with the objective facts?
Makx Dekkers: can we separate and start with the objective facts? ←
09:32:09 <deirdrelee> PhilA: there is a w3c workshop on this in san francisco
Phil Archer: there is a w3c workshop on this in san francisco [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
09:32:24 <PhilA> -> http://www.w3.org/2014/04/annotation/ Annotations workshop
Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/2014/04/annotation/ Annotations workshop ←
09:32:45 <MakxDekkers> a subjective statement is not a fact about a resource
Makx Dekkers: a subjective statement is not a fact about a resource ←
09:34:06 <MakxDekkers> it's a fact about the relationship between the person that makes a jusdgment and the resource
Makx Dekkers: it's a fact about the relationship between the person that makes a jusdgment and the resource ←
09:35:09 <PhilA> zakim, end meeting
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09:35:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'end meeting', PhilA
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09:35:16 <PhilA> zakim, bye
Phil Archer: zakim, bye ←
09:35:33 <PhilA> zakim, room for 6?
Phil Archer: zakim, room for 6? ←
09:35:34 <Zakim> ok, PhilA; conference Team_(dwbp)09:35Z scheduled with code 3927 (DWBP) for 60 minutes until 1035Z
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09:35:41 <MakxDekkers> those are objective facts deirdre
Makx Dekkers: those are objective facts deirdre ←
09:35:52 <deirdrelee> yes
Deirdre Lee: yes ←
09:35:54 <PhilA> zakim, code?
Phil Archer: zakim, code? ←
09:35:54 <Zakim> the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA
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09:36:17 <MakxDekkers> +q
Makx Dekkers: +q ←
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09:36:38 <Zakim> +Steve
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09:37:17 <deirdrelee> jeremy: different domains have different quality requirements
Jeremy Debattista: different domains have different quality requirements [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
09:37:41 <deirdrelee> ack MakxDekkers
Deirdre Lee: ack MakxDekkers ←
09:38:26 <adler1> MakxDekkers, the provider will never say its rubbish whereas the user may provide that feedback
Steven Adler: MakxDekkers, the provider will never say its rubbish whereas the user may provide that feedback ←
09:38:29 <deirdrelee> antoine: many quality metrics can be added by data publisher or user, it's data centric
Antoine Isaac: many quality metrics can be added by data publisher or user, it's data centric [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
09:39:23 <deirdrelee> MakxDekkers: the data publisher and user will add different kinds of metrics, we should make a distinction between statement of facts and opinions
Makx Dekkers: the data publisher and user will add different kinds of metrics, we should make a distinction between statement of facts and opinions [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
09:43:08 <deirdrelee> antoine: why close the door on data user adding objective facts?
Antoine Isaac: why close the door on data user adding objective facts? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
09:44:24 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: we can first look at obective facts and then subjective, but who adds the objective facts (users or publishers) is irrelevnat
Deirdre Lee: we can first look at obective facts and then subjective, but who adds the objective facts (users or publishers) is irrelevnat [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
09:45:27 <deirdrelee> adler1: user is not only an individual, but could also be an institution. publisher could also be an individual
Steven Adler: user is not only an individual, but could also be an institution. publisher could also be an individual [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
09:46:05 <deirdrelee> antoine: for example OSM
Antoine Isaac: for example OSM [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
09:47:58 <PhilA> -> http://www.w3.org/2014/04/daQ Jeremy's slides
Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/2014/04/daQ Jeremy's slides ←
09:53:00 <deirdrelee> jeremy: a colleague of Jeremy's in Uni of Leipzig did a paper on quality metrics, should be available soon
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Jeremy Debattista: a colleague of Jeremy's in Uni of Leipzig did a paper on quality metrics, should be available soon [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
09:53:30 <MakxDekkers> does daQ include information about the entity that did the measurement?
Makx Dekkers: does daQ include information about the entity that did the measurement? ←
09:55:29 <deirdrelee> jeremy: the provenance should be included in vocab, but at what level, per metric, per dimension?
Jeremy Debattista: the provenance should be included in vocab, but at what level, per metric, per dimension? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
09:56:23 <deirdrelee> PhilA: there could be multiple metrics on a particular dataset
Phil Archer: there could be multiple metrics on a particular dataset [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
09:57:05 <deirdrelee> antoine: our role would be to define what metrics to include?
Antoine Isaac: our role would be to define what metrics to include? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
09:57:51 <deirdrelee> PhilA: jeremy has to convince dwbp chairs that we should use daQ
Phil Archer: jeremy has to convince dwbp chairs that we should use daQ [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
09:58:15 <deirdrelee> phi
Deirdre Lee: phi ←
09:59:28 <deirdrelee> PhilA: Evaluation and Report Language (EARL) W3C accessibility has some of what jeremy can reuse http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/earl.php
Phil Archer: Evaluation and Report Language (EARL) W3C accessibility has some of what jeremy can reuse http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/earl.php [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
09:59:52 <deirdrelee> ... it includes provenance etc.
Deirdre Lee: ... it includes provenance etc. ←
10:00:23 <deirdrelee> jeremy: nobody whould question the data in the quality graph
Jeremy Debattista: nobody whould question the data in the quality graph [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
10:00:47 <deirdrelee> antoine: why not?
Antoine Isaac: why not? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
10:01:05 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←
10:01:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Steve
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10:01:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see BrianMatthews, MakxDekkers, yaso, fkyanai, CarlosIglesias, adrianov, JoaoPauloAlmeida, HadleyBeeman, markharrison, deirdrelee, jeremy, RRSAgent, PhilA, Caroline_,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see BrianMatthews, MakxDekkers, yaso, fkyanai, CarlosIglesias, adrianov, JoaoPauloAlmeida, HadleyBeeman, markharrison, deirdrelee, jeremy, RRSAgent, PhilA, Caroline_, ←
10:01:07 <Zakim> ... JohnGoodwin, adler1, nathalia, trackbot
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10:02:37 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: jeremy's model is for automatically created metrics, not necessarily human-created
Deirdre Lee: jeremy's model is for automatically created metrics, not necessarily human-created [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
10:03:56 <deirdrelee> PhilA: are there liability issues with quality metrics?
Phil Archer: are there liability issues with quality metrics? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
10:04:21 <deirdrelee> adler1: there could be multple values for each metric
Steven Adler: there could be multple values for each metric [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
10:04:39 <MakxDekkers> Looking at EARL schema. Looks quite useful
Makx Dekkers: Looking at EARL schema. Looks quite useful ←
10:04:44 <MakxDekkers> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/
Makx Dekkers: http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/ ←
10:05:29 <deirdrelee> PhilA: can jeremy add a real use-case?
Phil Archer: can jeremy add a real use-case? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
10:06:45 <deirdrelee> ... any metric that you measure is a subset of those that could be measured, the selection of metrics is subjective
Deirdre Lee: ... any metric that you measure is a subset of those that could be measured, the selection of metrics is subjective ←
10:07:25 <deirdrelee> adler1: quality can be a composite point of view
Steven Adler: quality can be a composite point of view [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
10:07:37 <deirdrelee> antoine: we will still have to define some metrics
Antoine Isaac: we will still have to define some metrics [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
10:07:52 <deirdrelee> PhilA: jeremy is doing this
Phil Archer: jeremy is doing this [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
10:08:33 <deirdrelee> antoine: if there are multiple use-cases that point to same metrics, we can include them in the vocab, but they can be extended
Antoine Isaac: if there are multiple use-cases that point to same metrics, we can include them in the vocab, but they can be extended [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
10:10:26 <deirdrelee> PhilA: there are some datasets that are authoritative, this should be a metric, but is this a quality metric or a descriptive metric (for dcat+)
Phil Archer: there are some datasets that are authoritative, this should be a metric, but is this a quality metric or a descriptive metric (for dcat+) [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
10:12:29 <deirdrelee> jeremy: we should think about what consumers need to know
Jeremy Debattista: we should think about what consumers need to know [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
10:13:07 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: data publishers could also say their data is not good quality
Deirdre Lee: data publishers could also say their data is not good quality [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
10:13:21 <deirdrelee> antoine: what is the relationship with datacube?
Antoine Isaac: what is the relationship with datacube? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
10:14:08 <deirdrelee> adler1: there are metrics for confidence, but no metric for measuring doubt,
Steven Adler: there are metrics for confidence, but no metric for measuring doubt, [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
10:14:33 <deirdrelee> ... to allow human nature to admit some doubt
Deirdre Lee: ... to allow human nature to admit some doubt ←
10:15:03 <MakxDekkers> deirdre a publisher would most likely not say unqualified "not good", they would probably say things like ...
Makx Dekkers: deirdre a publisher would most likely not say unqualified "not good", they would probably say things like ... ←
10:15:28 <MakxDekkers> this data hasn't bee ncleaned, or it comes from a source we haven't been able to verify
Makx Dekkers: this data hasn't bee ncleaned, or it comes from a source we haven't been able to verify ←
10:15:38 <deirdrelee> ... don't only have positive assertiions on data, how about negative assertions, but phrased in a way to make it 'pschologically' ok for data not to be great
Deirdre Lee: ... don't only have positive assertiions on data, how about negative assertions, but phrased in a way to make it 'pschologically' ok for data not to be great ←
10:15:51 <MakxDekkers> that's what I meant
Makx Dekkers: that's what I meant ←
10:16:06 <MakxDekkers> the negative or disclaimers
Makx Dekkers: the negative or disclaimers ←
10:16:27 <deirdrelee> cheers makx
Deirdre Lee: cheers makx ←
10:16:45 <deirdrelee> chris taggart from opencorporates chatting to group now
Deirdre Lee: chris taggart from opencorporates chatting to group now ←
10:17:26 <MakxDekkers> can't hear chris at all
Makx Dekkers: can't hear chris at all ←
10:17:50 <deirdrelee> he's just chatting, not a presentation
Deirdre Lee: he's just chatting, not a presentation ←
10:18:34 <deirdrelee> we're having a coffee break now too
Deirdre Lee: we're having a coffee break now too ←
10:18:39 <deirdrelee> chat in 10 mins
Deirdre Lee: chat in 10 mins ←
10:19:40 <MakxDekkers> so is it sensible to say there are three levels: 1. dcat+-type facts 2. daQ/EARL-type metrics 3. opinions?
Makx Dekkers: so is it sensible to say there are three levels: 1. dcat+-type facts 2. daQ/EARL-type metrics 3. opinions? ←
10:19:43 <jeremy> This is the survey paper I was talking about: www.semantic-web-journal.net/system/files/swj556.pdf - it is still under review, but a good overview of what metrics exists for LOD
Jeremy Debattista: This is the survey paper I was talking about: www.semantic-web-journal.net/system/files/swj556.pdf - it is still under review, but a good overview of what metrics exists for LOD ←
10:21:40 <MakxDekkers> useful refernce.
Makx Dekkers: useful refernce. ←
10:38:29 <MakxDekkers> Maybe also useful http://www.slideshare.net/OpenDataSupport/open-data-quality-29248578
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Makx Dekkers: Maybe also useful http://www.slideshare.net/OpenDataSupport/open-data-quality-29248578 ←
10:39:19 <MakxDekkers> Slide 8 has an overview of quality dimensions
Makx Dekkers: Slide 8 has an overview of quality dimensions ←
10:39:24 <deirdrelee> cheers
Deirdre Lee: cheers ←
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10:40:44 <jeremy> @MakxDekkers - did you actually implement those metrics?
Jeremy Debattista: @MakxDekkers - did you actually implement those metrics? ←
10:41:46 <MakxDekkers> jeremy, these are not metrics -- the slides provide best practice advice to publishers to address those dimensions
Makx Dekkers: jeremy, these are not metrics -- the slides provide best practice advice to publishers to address those dimensions ←
10:41:57 <MakxDekkers> we haven't measured the data they provide
Makx Dekkers: we haven't measured the data they provide ←
10:43:42 <jeremy> yes you are right... my mistake.. they would be "Dimensions" in terms of daq - (as you rightly said in the slides)
Jeremy Debattista: yes you are right... my mistake.. they would be "Dimensions" in terms of daq - (as you rightly said in the slides) ←
10:43:52 <MakxDekkers> BP recomm is eg "check data before publication to increase consistency" (slide 17)
Makx Dekkers: BP recomm is eg "check data before publication to increase consistency" (slide 17) ←
10:47:31 <MakxDekkers> has the group reconvened yet?
Makx Dekkers: has the group reconvened yet? ←
10:49:22 <MakxDekkers> I hear the word "quality" but I can't hear what people are saying.
Makx Dekkers: I hear the word "quality" but I can't hear what people are saying. ←
10:49:41 <deirdrelee> no,everyone's still out for coffee
Deirdre Lee: no,everyone's still out for coffee ←
10:49:50 <MakxDekkers> ok
Makx Dekkers: ok ←
10:49:51 <deirdrelee> steve and i talking to chris
Deirdre Lee: steve and i talking to chris ←
11:13:52 <MakxDekkers> the issue of trust is a completely different aspect
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Makx Dekkers: the issue of trust is a completely different aspect ←
11:14:12 <MakxDekkers> the model needs to allow for lying
Makx Dekkers: the model needs to allow for lying ←
11:14:44 <MakxDekkers> reputation is certainly an issue
Makx Dekkers: reputation is certainly an issue ←
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11:14:53 <Caroline_> sorry!
Caroline Burle: sorry! ←
11:15:03 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> that would be complicated
that would be complicated ←
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11:15:38 <MakxDekkers> any statement about quality needs to be accompanied by provenance info
Makx Dekkers: any statement about quality needs to be accompanied by provenance info ←
11:16:10 <MakxDekkers> dcat+-type statements are covered by the fact that it is the publisher saying it
Makx Dekkers: dcat+-type statements are covered by the fact that it is the publisher saying it ←
11:16:37 <MakxDekkers> and you either trust the publisher or you don't
Makx Dekkers: and you either trust the publisher or you don't ←
11:17:23 <MakxDekkers> deirdre, yes let's get concrete
Makx Dekkers: deirdre, yes let's get concrete ←
11:19:17 <MakxDekkers> sound is confused
Makx Dekkers: sound is confused ←
11:21:12 <MakxDekkers> several people talking
Makx Dekkers: several people talking ←
11:25:20 <deirdrelee> adler1: reputation is important
Steven Adler: reputation is important [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
11:27:41 <MakxDekkers> text is data too, e.g. legislation
Makx Dekkers: text is data too, e.g. legislation ←
11:28:21 <MakxDekkers> out scope is not limited to structured data, I think?
Makx Dekkers: out scope is not limited to structured data, I think? ←
11:28:28 <MakxDekkers> our scope
Makx Dekkers: our scope ←
11:29:03 <MakxDekkers> legislation.gov.uk for example
Makx Dekkers: legislation.gov.uk for example ←
11:29:44 <deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_notes
Deirdre Lee: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_notes ←
11:32:15 <MakxDekkers> I don't know how quality and granularity are related?
Makx Dekkers: I don't know how quality and granularity are related? ←
11:32:24 <deirdrelee> jeremy: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Use_Cases
Jeremy Debattista: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Use_Cases [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
11:33:03 <deirdrelee> topic: granularity
11:33:21 <deirdrelee> jeremy: granularity is a metric of quality?
Jeremy Debattista: granularity is a metric of quality? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
11:33:34 <deirdrelee> ... they defined granularity as number of triples
Deirdre Lee: ... they defined granularity as number of triples ←
11:33:55 <MakxDekkers> the quality aspect of that are in the area of 'fit for purpose'
Makx Dekkers: the quality aspect of that are in the area of 'fit for purpose' ←
11:34:31 <MakxDekkers> e.g. gps with granularity of 1 km is not useful for navigation
Makx Dekkers: e.g. gps with granularity of 1 km is not useful for navigation ←
11:34:51 <jeremy> you are right MakxDekkers
Jeremy Debattista: you are right MakxDekkers ←
11:34:55 <deirdrelee> adler1: in terms of lineage, could each entity that touches the data enter quality info?
Steven Adler: in terms of lineage, could each entity that touches the data enter quality info? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
11:35:08 <MakxDekkers> climate-level granularity is not usful for today's weahter report
Makx Dekkers: climate-level granularity is not usful for today's weahter report ←
11:35:29 <deirdrelee> PhilA: here's the prov-o ontology http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-o/
Phil Archer: here's the prov-o ontology http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-o/ [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
11:36:22 <MakxDekkers> too many triples might make data unusable
Makx Dekkers: too many triples might make data unusable ←
11:38:16 <deirdrelee> jeremy: there are conciseness issues too, e.g. dbpedia have a lot of triples, but this is necessary
Jeremy Debattista: there are conciseness issues too, e.g. dbpedia have a lot of triples, but this is necessary [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
11:39:11 <deirdrelee> MakxDekkers: you can publish the objective metric of 'number of triples', but if this determines good/bad quality depends on user
Makx Dekkers: you can publish the objective metric of 'number of triples', but if this determines good/bad quality depends on user [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
11:39:47 <deirdrelee> adler1: will link jeremy to ibm guys working on quality
Steven Adler: will link jeremy to ibm guys working on quality [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
11:39:59 <PhilA> action: antoine to talk to Paul Groth about how prov-o could be used in providing assessment of dataset quality
ACTION: antoine to talk to Paul Groth about how prov-o could be used in providing assessment of dataset quality ←
11:40:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - Talk to paul groth about how prov-o could be used in providing assessment of dataset quality [on Antoine Isaac - due 2014-04-08].
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11:41:50 <deirdrelee> PhilA: granularity may have originally referred to periodicity
Phil Archer: granularity may have originally referred to periodicity [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
11:42:17 <deirdrelee> antoine: could we think of granularity in terms of measurement precision?
Antoine Isaac: could we think of granularity in terms of measurement precision? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
11:42:27 <deirdrelee> PhilA: accuracy vs. precision
Phil Archer: accuracy vs. precision [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
11:43:37 <adrianov> scribe: adrianov
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11:43:53 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: OS is a good example where granularity is a key metric
Deirdre Lee: OS is a good example where granularity is a key metric [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
11:44:25 <deirdrelee> antoine: we could include precision scales within the vocabulary
Antoine Isaac: we could include precision scales within the vocabulary [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
11:46:03 <deirdrelee> ... we could have a controlled list of levels per domain
Deirdre Lee: ... we could have a controlled list of levels per domain ←
11:47:06 <deirdrelee> PhilA: is that not already included in each domain vocabulary?
Phil Archer: is that not already included in each domain vocabulary? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
11:47:32 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: is this a more important metric that we should focus on it? it is not included in other quality metric lists
Deirdre Lee: is this a more important metric that we should focus on it? it is not included in other quality metric lists [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
11:47:52 <deirdrelee> antoine: we should come up with a pattern to define and quality metric
Antoine Isaac: we should come up with a pattern to define and quality metric [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
11:48:09 <deirdrelee> PhilA: just add a metric class in dcat+
Phil Archer: just add a metric class in dcat+ [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
11:48:34 <deirdrelee> ... we should not create controlled list of domain-specific things
Deirdre Lee: ... we should not create controlled list of domain-specific things ←
11:50:36 <MakxDekkers> +q
Makx Dekkers: +q ←
11:50:57 <MakxDekkers> q-
Makx Dekkers: q- ←
11:51:00 <MakxDekkers> +1 antoine
Makx Dekkers: +1 antoine ←
11:54:20 <deirdrelee> antoine: data granularity should only apply to the level of detail within the data, e.g. temporal granularity applies to level of data within the dataset, not the rate of change the dataset is updated
Antoine Isaac: data granularity should only apply to the level of detail within the data, e.g. temporal granularity applies to level of data within the dataset, not the rate of change the dataset is updated [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
11:54:56 <MakxDekkers> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
11:55:31 <MakxDekkers> +1 to waht antoine just said
Makx Dekkers: +1 to waht antoine just said ←
11:56:10 <MakxDekkers> point people to dcat property for update frequency of the data set as a whole
Makx Dekkers: point people to dcat property for update frequency of the data set as a whole ←
13:05:14 <deirdrelee> Hi all, fire alarm went off during lunch
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13:05:32 <deirdrelee> we had to head out to the sun by the river!
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13:09:27 <PhilA> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:14:16 <HadleyBeeman> And we're coming back, after lunch and the fire alarm
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13:31:27 <deirdrelee> quality group: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_notes#From_the_charter
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Deirdre Lee: quality group: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_notes#From_the_charter ←
13:38:50 <deirdrelee> Hi JoaoPaulo, we are just back after lunch, everyone is in groups now following up on deliverables
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Deirdre Lee: Hi JoaoPaulo, we are just back after lunch, everyone is in groups now following up on deliverables ←
13:39:32 <deirdrelee> do you want to call into any group?
Deirdre Lee: do you want to call into any group? ←
13:40:05 <HadleyBeeman> joaopauloalmeida, there is discussion happening in #dwbp-datausage and #dwbpbestpractices
Hadley Beeman: joaopauloalmeida, there is discussion happening in #dwbp-datausage and #dwbpbestpractices ←
13:40:41 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> HadleyBeeman, thanks, I am in #dwbpbestpractices
Joao Almeida: HadleyBeeman, thanks, I am in #dwbpbestpractices ←
13:42:34 <MakxDekkers> sorry lost my connection
Makx Dekkers: sorry lost my connection ←
13:44:19 <HadleyBeeman> welcome back, makxdekkers :)
Hadley Beeman: welcome back, makxdekkers :) ←
13:59:45 <deirdrelee> jeremy: information about the quality data should be available, e.g. when it was last recorded, etc. - meta, meta data
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Jeremy Debattista: information about the quality data should be available, e.g. when it was last recorded, etc. - meta, meta data [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:00:46 <deirdrelee> HadleyBeeman: are there example where some qualities can have specific measurements? data is x% complete?
Hadley Beeman: are there example where some qualities can have specific measurements? data is x% complete? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:01:45 <deirdrelee> MakxDekkers: it would be good if the data publisher could add an explanation of WHY data is incomplete, not perfect
Makx Dekkers: it would be good if the data publisher could add an explanation of WHY data is incomplete, not perfect [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:02:17 <deirdrelee> ... in certain cases you can say something is 100% perfect, e.g. in legislation.gov.uk
Deirdre Lee: ... in certain cases you can say something is 100% perfect, e.g. in legislation.gov.uk ←
14:09:45 <HadleyBeeman> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:18:29 <laufer_> +laufer
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Carlos Laufer: +laufer ←
15:21:31 <Vagner_Br> zakim, scribe is Vagner_BR
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15:21:31 <Zakim> sorry, Vagner_Br, I do not recognize a party named 'scribe'
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15:21:50 <PhilA> -> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_notes#Suggested_requirements: Data Quality Requirements
Phil Archer: -> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_notes#Suggested_requirements: Data Quality Requirements ←
15:21:50 <nathalia> can we use zakim now?
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: can we use zakim now? ←
15:21:59 <PhilA> scribe: Vagner_Br
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15:21:50 <Vagner_Br> Topic: Wrap-up
15:21:50 <Vagner_Br> Starting with data quality
Starting with data quality ←
15:22:57 <HadleyBeeman> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:22:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/01-dwbp-minutes.html HadleyBeeman
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15:23:23 <Vagner_Br> PhilA: two vocab - 1 about process, accuratenes, completeness
Phil Archer: two vocab - 1 about process, accuratenes, completeness ←
15:24:44 <nathalia> * HadleyBeeman I would to like
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: * HadleyBeeman I would to like ←
15:24:45 <Vagner_Br> We have to collect feedback about two vocabularies
We have to collect feedback about two vocabularies ←
15:25:07 <nathalia> can I?
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: can I? ←
15:25:32 <Vagner_Br> ... next step we have to thing about whether you want to suuport SLAs
... next step we have to thing about whether you want to support SLAs ←
15:25:52 <gatemezi_> s/suuport/support
15:25:57 <Vagner_Br> ... probably we will end up with UML diagram
... probably we will end up with UML diagram ←
15:26:27 <Vagner_Br> ... maybe we shoul a taks force to take it forward
... maybe we should a taks force to take it forward ←
15:26:34 <Vagner_Br> s/shoul/should/
15:27:01 <Vagner_Br> ... task force should have a separated mailing list
... task force should have a separated mailing list ←
15:28:20 <MakxDekkers> nothing to add
Makx Dekkers: nothing to add ←
15:28:30 <fkyanai> eric, are you listening us ?
Flavio Yanai: eric, are you listening us ? ←
15:28:54 <Vagner_Br> Data usage vocabulary:
Data usage vocabulary: ←
15:28:55 <yaso> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_usage_notes
Yaso Córdova: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_usage_notes ←
15:29:39 <Vagner_Br> Bernadette: we talked about data usage vocabulary, not about data usage best practice
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we talked about data usage vocabulary, not about data usage best practice ←
15:29:52 <Vagner_Br> ... how to describe the data usage
... how to describe the data usage ←
15:30:27 <Vagner_Br> ... the vocab should focus on traceability (what, who and how dataset has been used)
... the vocab should focus on traceability (what, who and how dataset has been used) ←
15:30:38 <Vagner_Br> ... vocab shoul means to be described
... vocab shoul means to be described ←
15:31:13 <Vagner_Br> ... how = transformation - dataset to create another dataset, visualization or application
... how = transformation - dataset to create another dataset, visualization or application ←
15:31:41 <Vagner_Br> ... tools to keep track of data transformation
... tools to keep track of data transformation ←
15:32:17 <Vagner_Br> ... People using data should provide feedback. Can we have a machine-readable feedback?
... People using data should provide feedback. Can we have a machine-readable feedback? ←
15:32:41 <Vagner_Br> ... Feedback on data quality dimensions - completeness, correctness etc
... Feedback on data quality dimensions - completeness, correctness etc ←
15:33:01 <Vagner_Br> ... Is feedback providing is part of data usage vocab>
... Is feedback providing part of data usage vocab> ←
15:33:14 <Vagner_Br> s/is part/part
15:33:34 <Vagner_Br> ... Feedback can be use to improve the quality of data
... Feedback can be used to improve the quality of data ←
15:33:42 <Vagner_Br> s/be use/be used/
15:33:53 <Vagner_Br> ... Another topic is data provenance
... Another topic is data provenance ←
15:34:29 <Vagner_Br> ... from bothe the publisher side and from the consumer side
... from both the publisher side and from the consumer side ←
15:34:37 <Vagner_Br> s/bothe/both/
15:35:48 <Vagner_Br> ... Yaso: talking about use cases
... Yaso: talking about use cases ←
15:36:49 <Vagner_Br> ... Bernadette: we have not addressed the challenges posted in the wiki. We talk about general aspects.
... Bernadette: we have not addressed the challenges posted in the wiki. We talk about general aspects. ←
15:37:54 <gatemezi_> Zakim, code ?
Ghislain Atemezing: Zakim, code ? ←
15:37:54 <Zakim> sorry, gatemezi_, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, gatemezi_, I don't know what conference this is ←
15:38:20 <Vagner_Br> ... Next step: Use case doc may have requiriments for vocabs. What kind of terms we need to describe the vocab. It is important to have clear information of what should be described
... Next step: Use case doc may have requiriments for vocabs. What kind of terms we need to describe the vocab. It is important to have clear information of what should be described ←
15:38:24 <newton> gatemazi, Bernadette is speaking
Newton Calegari: gatemazi, Bernadette is speaking ←
15:38:41 <PhilA> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
15:38:58 <Vagner_Br> ... also have a look to another documents on vocab description
... also have a look to another documents on vocab description ←
15:39:00 <PhilA> q-
Phil Archer: q- ←
15:39:42 <ericstephan_> Hello :-) Is everyone back together?
Eric Stephan: Hello :-) Is everyone back together? ←
15:39:51 <newton> Yes Eric
Newton Calegari: Yes Eric ←
15:39:57 <Vagner_Br> PhilA: one of uses we need is to have ways to express scientific data
Phil Archer: one of uses we need is to have ways to express scientific data ←
15:40:38 <ericstephan_> I'll attempt Zakim again ...
Eric Stephan: I'll attempt Zakim again ... ←
15:40:49 <newton> Eric, try to connect on hangout: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpi53b5160goccfvbb33ho18
Newton Calegari: Eric, try to connect on hangout: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpi53b5160goccfvbb33ho18 ←
15:41:51 <Vagner_Br> ... Internationalization is an issue in W3C. Discussing Multilingual Vocab description. Should be more easy to localizae it.
... Internationalization is an issue in W3C. Discussing Multilingual Vocab description. Should be more easy to localize it. ←
15:42:34 <laufer_> s/localizae/localize/
15:42:35 <ericstephan_> Thank you Newton :-)
Eric Stephan: Thank you Newton :-) ←
15:43:49 <PhilA> action PhilA to create mailing list for vocabulary work
Phil Archer: action PhilA to create mailing list for vocabulary work ←
15:43:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Create mailing list for vocabulary work [on Phil Archer - due 2014-04-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-19 - Create mailing list for vocabulary work [on Phil Archer - due 2014-04-08]. ←
15:43:53 <Vagner_Br> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/
http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/ ←
15:45:02 <Vagner_Br> Bernadette: we should work more on scenarios
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we should work more on scenarios ←
15:45:17 <PhilA> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
15:45:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/01-dwbp-minutes.html PhilA
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15:45:54 <PhilA> action bernadette to document the situations/scenarios for the Data Usage Vocab in the UCR
Phil Archer: action bernadette to document the situations/scenarios for the Data Usage Vocab in the UCR ←
15:45:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-20 - Document the situations/scenarios for the data usage vocab in the ucr [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2014-04-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-20 - Document the situations/scenarios for the data usage vocab in the ucr [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2014-04-08]. ←
15:46:30 <PhilA> action deirdrelee to create first draft of UCR in respec
Phil Archer: action deirdrelee to create first draft of UCR in respec ←
15:46:30 <trackbot> Error finding 'deirdrelee'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.
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15:46:46 <PhilA> action deirdre to create first draft of UCR in respec
Phil Archer: action deirdre to create first draft of UCR in respec ←
15:46:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-21 - Create first draft of ucr in respec [on Deirdre Lee - due 2014-04-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-21 - Create first draft of ucr in respec [on Deirdre Lee - due 2014-04-08]. ←
15:47:12 <Vagner_Br> Bernadette: for each requirements we should have a use case
Bernadette Farias Loscio: for each requirements we should have a use case ←
15:47:14 <PhilA> action deirdre to work with Bernadette to ensure that each requirement links back to a use case
Phil Archer: action deirdre to work with Bernadette to ensure that each requirement links back to a use case ←
15:47:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-22 - Work with bernadette to ensure that each requirement links back to a use case [on Deirdre Lee - due 2014-04-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-22 - Work with bernadette to ensure that each requirement links back to a use case [on Deirdre Lee - due 2014-04-08]. ←
15:48:28 <PhilA> action bernadette to look up requirements documents for vocabularies such as Prov-o, Data Cube, SKOS
Phil Archer: action bernadette to look up requirements documents for vocabularies such as Prov-o, Data Cube, SKOS ←
15:48:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-23 - Look up requirements documents for vocabularies such as prov-o, data cube, skos [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2014-04-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-23 - Look up requirements documents for vocabularies such as prov-o, data cube, skos [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2014-04-08]. ←
15:48:41 <BrianMatthews> On Academic Data Citation this report is useful: : https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/dsj/12/0/12_OSOM13-043/_article
Brian Matthews: On Academic Data Citation this report is useful: : https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/dsj/12/0/12_OSOM13-043/_article ←
15:49:04 <Vagner_Br> PhilA: to start with diagrams
Phil Archer: to start with diagrams ←
15:49:13 <PhilA> action PhilA to draft UML diagram for vocab(s)
Phil Archer: action PhilA to draft UML diagram for vocab(s) ←
15:49:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-24 - Draft uml diagram for vocab(s) [on Phil Archer - due 2014-04-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-24 - Draft uml diagram for vocab(s) [on Phil Archer - due 2014-04-08]. ←
15:50:06 <BrianMatthews> Also the SPAR ontologies (especially CiTO) http://sempublishing.sourceforge.net/
Brian Matthews: Also the SPAR ontologies (especially CiTO) http://sempublishing.sourceforge.net/ ←
15:50:55 <PhilA> Hi Makx - we'd like to ask you to...
Phil Archer: Hi Makx - we'd like to ask you to... ←
15:51:06 <HadleyBeeman> Makx, we were wondering if you would be willing to lead the Data Quality work.
Hadley Beeman: Makx, we were wondering if you would be willing to lead the Data Quality work. ←
15:51:09 <PhilA> ... (you'll say yes if Deirdre asks you)
Phil Archer: ... (you'll say yes if Deirdre asks you) ←
15:51:25 <HadleyBeeman> Next steps seem to be exploring the rest of the requirements.
Hadley Beeman: Next steps seem to be exploring the rest of the requirements. ←
15:51:32 <HadleyBeeman> You'd be ideal for that, we think. :)
Hadley Beeman: You'd be ideal for that, we think. :) ←
15:51:43 <PhilA> -> https://www.force11.org/datacitation Force11 Data Citation principles
Phil Archer: -> https://www.force11.org/datacitation Force11 Data Citation principles ←
15:52:02 <PhilA> ^^ useful and very relevant to data Usage Voc
Phil Archer: ^^ useful and very relevant to data Usage Voc ←
15:52:28 <MakxDekkers> so please not for the moment
Makx Dekkers: so please not for the moment ←
15:52:32 <gatemezi_> There is also this nice SoA on Quality Assessment Methodologies for Linked Data at http://www.semantic-web-journal.net/system/files/swj414.pdf
Ghislain Atemezing: There is also this nice SoA on Quality Assessment Methodologies for Linked Data at http://www.semantic-web-journal.net/system/files/swj414.pdf ←
15:52:59 <MakxDekkers> I am happy to help but not lead for lack of time
Makx Dekkers: I am happy to help but not lead for lack of time ←
15:53:09 <HadleyBeeman> makxdekkers — ah, that's unfortunate.
Hadley Beeman: makxdekkers — ah, that's unfortunate. ←
15:53:15 <HadleyBeeman> Thank you for the reply though.
Hadley Beeman: Thank you for the reply though. ←
15:53:33 <Vagner_Br> Mark: presenting the requirements and notes: see https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhTZf3B9yQ3odGVvU3pBazFsY3pyUVppNDFSZGtyQkE&usp=sharing&richtext=true#gid=6
Mark Harrison: presenting the requirements and notes: see https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhTZf3B9yQ3odGVvU3pBazFsY3pyUVppNDFSZGtyQkE&usp=sharing&richtext=true#gid=6 ←
15:53:59 <nathalia> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_on_the_Web_Best_Practices#Challenges
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_on_the_Web_Best_Practices#Challenges ←
15:54:24 <jeremy> gatemezi_: thats an earlier version.. www.semantic-web-journal.net/system/files/swj556.pdf (the latest version, but there are still major revisions going on)
Ghislain Atemezing: thats an earlier version.. www.semantic-web-journal.net/system/files/swj556.pdf (the latest version, but there are still major revisions going on) [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Debattista ] ←
15:54:43 <gatemezi_> thanks jeremy ;)
Ghislain Atemezing: thanks jeremy ;) ←
15:54:49 <Vagner_Br> Mark: topics - Static/Real-time ,Tools, Privacy/security, Skills/Expertise - see collumn A, Collumn B is requirement and collumn is Notes
Mark Harrison: topics - Static/Real-time ,Tools, Privacy/security, Skills/Expertise - see collumn A, Collumn B is requirement and collumn is Notes ←
15:55:30 <nathalia> We can see on the wiki too: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_on_the_Web_Best_Practices#Challenges
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: We can see on the wiki too: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_on_the_Web_Best_Practices#Challenges ←
15:57:17 <Vagner_Br> CarlosIglesias: next steps: we should try do draft a BP doc.
Carlos Iglesias: next steps: we should try do draft a BP doc. ←
15:57:40 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
15:57:47 <Caroline__> +q
Caroline Burle: +q ←
15:58:00 <Vagner_Br> ... wiki is the platform to brainstorm on the draft
... wiki is the platform to brainstorm on the draft ←
15:58:23 <PhilA> I like the idea of a unique ID for each emerging BP (as well as a wiki page etc)
Phil Archer: I like the idea of a unique ID for each emerging BP (as well as a wiki page etc) ←
15:58:32 <Vagner_Br> ... telco no discuss the best practices themselves. Telco to create actions
... telco to not to discuss the best practices themselves. Telco to create actions ←
15:59:47 <PhilA> q+ to talk about implementation reporting
Phil Archer: q+ to talk about implementation reporting ←
15:59:49 <Vagner_Br> ... the idea is to gather real examples already in practive
... the idea is to gather real examples already in practive ←
16:00:02 <Vagner_Br> s/no discuss/to discuss/
16:00:31 <Vagner_Br> s/discuss the best/not to discuss the best/
16:01:06 <PhilA> +1 to keeping discussion of BPs on main list, esp as overlap is clear
Phil Archer: +1 to keeping discussion of BPs on main list, esp as overlap is clear ←
16:01:14 <HadleyBeeman> ack caro
Hadley Beeman: ack caro ←
16:04:09 <laufer_> q?
Carlos Laufer: q? ←
16:04:47 <HadleyBeeman> ack deirdre
Hadley Beeman: ack deirdre ←
16:05:09 <Vagner_Br> Caroline: we decided to not split in task forces but work together.
Caroline Burle: we decided to not split in task forces but work together. ←
16:06:23 <Vagner_Br> Deirdrelee: Should we have a look at all groups requirements defintions?
Deirdre Lee: Should we have a look at all groups requirements defintions? ←
16:07:16 <Vagner_Br> ... we will set a list of requirements andn BP group will use it
... we will set a list of requirements and BP group will use it ←
16:07:20 <HadleyBeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
16:07:23 <PhilA> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
16:07:24 <Zakim> PhilA, you wanted to talk about implementation reporting
Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, you wanted to talk about implementation reporting ←
16:07:25 <Vagner_Br> s/andn/and/
16:08:17 <Vagner_Br> PhilA: The UC first draft will evolve.
Phil Archer: The UC first draft will evolve. ←
16:08:54 <HadleyBeeman> example of implementation report for candidate recommendation stage: https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_Implementations
Hadley Beeman: example of implementation report for candidate recommendation stage: https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_Implementations ←
16:09:18 <Vagner_Br> ... PhilA suggesting to build a table for implementation
... PhilA suggesting to build a table for implementation ←
16:09:54 <Vagner_Br> ... PhilA advertising PSI workshop
... PhilA advertising PSI workshop ←
16:10:15 <Ig_Bittencourt> http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/ ←
16:10:30 <markharrison_> http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/
Mark Harrison: http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/ ←
16:11:03 <Vagner_Br> ... PhilA: this workshop will provide input to this group
... PhilA: this workshop will provide input to this group ←
16:13:50 <Vagner_Br> Carlos to provide inputs for group brainstorming
Carlos to provide inputs for group brainstorming ←
16:14:33 <PhilA> action to prepare skeleton best practice wiki pages for each emerging best practice, including its ID
Phil Archer: action to prepare skeleton best practice wiki pages for each emerging best practice, including its ID ←
16:14:33 <trackbot> Error finding 'to'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'to'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>. ←
16:14:47 <PhilA> action carlos iglesias to prepare skeleton best practice wiki pages for each emerging best practice, including its ID
Phil Archer: action carlos iglesias to prepare skeleton best practice wiki pages for each emerging best practice, including its ID ←
16:14:47 <trackbot> 'carlos' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., carlosiglesias, claufer, dayures).
Trackbot IRC Bot: 'carlos' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., carlosiglesias, claufer, dayures). ←
16:14:54 <PhilA> action carlosiglesias to prepare skeleton best practice wiki pages for each emerging best practice, including its ID
Phil Archer: action carlosiglesias to prepare skeleton best practice wiki pages for each emerging best practice, including its ID ←
16:14:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-25 - Prepare skeleton best practice wiki pages for each emerging best practice, including its id [on Carlos Iglesias - due 2014-04-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-25 - Prepare skeleton best practice wiki pages for each emerging best practice, including its id [on Carlos Iglesias - due 2014-04-08]. ←
16:15:00 <Vagner_Br> Hadley: is thee a need of BP wiki page separatedly?
Hadley Beeman: is there a need of BP wiki page separatedly? ←
16:15:03 <HadleyBeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
16:15:29 <Caroline__> s/thee/there
16:17:06 <PhilA> rrsagent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:17:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/01-dwbp-minutes.html PhilA
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/01-dwbp-minutes.html PhilA ←
16:17:26 <Vagner_Br> Hadley: DWBP call on this Friday is confirmed
Hadley Beeman: DWBP call on this Friday is confirmed ←
16:19:58 <MakxDekkers> thanks for great meeting, and to deirdre for remote connection options, talk to you again on Friday, bye now
Makx Dekkers: thanks for great meeting, and to deirdre for remote connection options, talk to you again on Friday, bye now ←
16:24:08 <gatemezi_> Thanks all! See you on Friday then..
Ghislain Atemezing: Thanks all! See you on Friday then.. ←
16:26:03 <ericstephan_> Safe travels everyone! Its been fun. See you Friday.
Eric Stephan: Safe travels everyone! Its been fun. See you Friday. ←
16:26:19 <laufer_> bye eric
Carlos Laufer: bye eric ←
16:26:21 <newton> Thank Eric
Newton Calegari: Thank Eric ←
16:26:24 <nathalia> bye
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: bye ←
16:26:25 <newton> Bye
Newton Calegari: Bye ←
16:26:30 <nathalia> see you friday
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: see you friday ←
16:26:46 <nathalia> good travel back to Brasil
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: good travel back to Brasil ←
16:27:17 <PhilA> RRSAgent, generate minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, generate minutes ←
16:27:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/01-dwbp-minutes.html PhilA
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/01-dwbp-minutes.html PhilA ←
16:27:18 <laufer_> bye all
Carlos Laufer: bye all ←
16:27:35 <laufer_> -laufer
Carlos Laufer: -laufer ←
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