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DWBP WG F2F Day 2

Minutes of 01 April 2014

Agenda
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014
Seen
Adriano Veloso, Antoine Isaac, Bernadette Farias Loscio, Brian Matthews, Carlos Iglesias, Carlos Laufer, Caroline Burle, Deirdre Lee, Eric Stephan, Flavio Yanai, Ghislain Atemezing, Hadley Beeman, Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto, Jeremy Debattista, Joao Almeida, John Goodwin, Makx Dekkers, Mark Harrison, Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício, Newton Calegari, Phil Archer, Steven Adler, Vagner Diniz, Yaso Córdova
Guests
Jeremy Debattista, Brian Matthews
Chair
Hadley Beeman
Scribe
Joao Almeida, John Goodwin, Adriano Veloso, Vagner Diniz
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions

None.

Topics
08:19:16 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/04/01-dwbp-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/04/01-dwbp-irc

08:19:24 <PhilA> rrsagent, make logs public

Phil Archer: rrsagent, make logs public

08:19:27 <gatemezi> Today seems here our Eduroam connection is down

Ghislain Atemezing: Today seems here our Eduroam connection is down

08:19:30 <MakxDekkers> * o

Makx Dekkers: * o

08:19:46 <PhilA> meeting: DWBP WG F2F Day 2
08:19:51 <PhilA> chair: Hadley
08:19:51 <PhilA> Guest: Jeremy Debattista
08:19:51 <PhilA> Guest: Brian Matthews
08:19:52 <MakxDekkers> Phil how do you do those starry comments?

Makx Dekkers: Phil how do you do those starry comments?

08:20:55 <ericstephan> Is zzzzakim awake yet for phone service?

Eric Stephan: Is zzzzakim awake yet for phone service?

08:20:57 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I can't dial in to Zakim

Joao Almeida: I can't dial in to Zakim

08:21:45 <PhilA> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014
08:22:02 <MakxDekkers> would be nice to have hangout today too

Makx Dekkers: would be nice to have hangout today too

08:23:05 <deirdrelee> hangout setup, will post the link in a second...

Deirdre Lee: hangout setup, will post the link in a second...

08:23:17 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> "the conference is restricted at this time"

Joao Almeida: "the conference is restricted at this time"

08:23:31 <PhilA> zakim, room for 4?

Phil Archer: zakim, room for 4?

08:23:33 <Zakim> ok, PhilA; conference Team_(dwbp)08:23Z scheduled with code 3927 (DWBP) for 60 minutes until 0923Z

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, PhilA; conference Team_(dwbp)08:23Z scheduled with code 3927 (DWBP) for 60 minutes until 0923Z

08:23:38 <PhilA> zakim, code?

Phil Archer: zakim, code?

08:23:38 <Zakim> the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA

08:23:59 <deirdrelee> new google hangout for this morning here https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014#Google_Hangout

Deirdre Lee: new google hangout for this morning here https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014#Google_Hangout

08:24:02 <Zakim> Team_(dwbp)08:23Z has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: Team_(dwbp)08:23Z has now started

08:24:09 <Zakim> +ericstephan

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericstephan

08:24:45 <laufer> +laufer

Carlos Laufer: +laufer

08:25:11 <adler1> HadleyBeeman: I want us to split into group and work on use cases and vocabularies

Hadley Beeman: I want us to split into group and work on use cases and vocabularies [ Scribe Assist by Steven Adler ]

08:25:18 <adler1> ... we don't have much for each of them

Steven Adler: ... we don't have much for each of them

08:25:35 <adler1> ... we can start by creating wiki pages like we did yesterday for best practices

Steven Adler: ... we can start by creating wiki pages like we did yesterday for best practices

08:25:45 <HadleyBeeman> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Best_practices_notes

Hadley Beeman: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Best_practices_notes

08:26:01 <deirdrelee> Good morning Makx, we're in a different room today

Deirdre Lee: Good morning Makx, we're in a different room today

08:26:15 <HadleyBeeman> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014#Preparation

Hadley Beeman: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014#Preparation

08:26:20 <adler1> ... it would be great if we had other pages and can take headers from documents that are online

Steven Adler: ... it would be great if we had other pages and can take headers from documents that are online

08:26:34 <adler1> ... for best practices we can steal headers from mobile best practices

Steven Adler: ... for best practices we can steal headers from mobile best practices

08:26:37 <adler1> ... etc

Steven Adler: ... etc

08:27:00 <Zakim> -ericstephan

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericstephan

08:27:01 <Zakim> Team_(dwbp)08:23Z has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: Team_(dwbp)08:23Z has ended

08:27:01 <Zakim> Attendees were ericstephan

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were ericstephan

08:27:12 <adler1> ... each group will need a scribe and to keep track of actions coming out of discussions

Steven Adler: ... each group will need a scribe and to keep track of actions coming out of discussions

08:27:53 <Zakim> Team_(dwbp)08:23Z has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: Team_(dwbp)08:23Z has now started

08:28:00 <Zakim> +Steve

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steve

08:28:03 <Zakim> +ericstephan

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericstephan

08:28:44 <adler1> ... we can look at use cases and existing work that is relevant

Steven Adler: ... we can look at use cases and existing work that is relevant

08:29:05 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

08:29:12 <JoaoPauloAlmeida_> Zakim, IPcaller is me

Joao Almeida: Zakim, IPcaller is me

08:29:12 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida_; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JoaoPauloAlmeida_; got it

08:29:14 <PhilA> zakim, Steve has Hadley, Yaso, Flavio, Newton, Bernadette, Ig, Deirdre, Jeremy, Adriano, Brian, Laufer, Vagner, JohnG, MarkH, Antoine, Caroline, PhilA

Phil Archer: zakim, Steve has Hadley, Yaso, Flavio, Newton, Bernadette, Ig, Deirdre, Jeremy, Adriano, Brian, Laufer, Vagner, JohnG, MarkH, Antoine, Caroline, PhilA

08:29:14 <Zakim> +Hadley, Yaso, Flavio, Newton, Bernadette, Ig, Deirdre, Jeremy, Adriano, Brian, Laufer, Vagner, JohnG, MarkH, Antoine, Caroline, PhilA; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Hadley, Yaso, Flavio, Newton, Bernadette, Ig, Deirdre, Jeremy, Adriano, Brian, Laufer, Vagner, JohnG, MarkH, Antoine, Caroline, PhilA; got it

08:29:16 <adler1> deirdrelee: we can split challenges into the three groups

Deirdre Lee: we can split challenges into the three groups [ Scribe Assist by Steven Adler ]

08:29:48 <ericstephan> Good morning!

Eric Stephan: Good morning!

08:29:53 <JoaoPauloAlmeida_> good morning

Joao Almeida: good morning

08:30:38 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, IPcaller is me

Joao Almeida: Zakim, IPcaller is me

08:30:38 <Zakim> sorry, JoaoPauloAlmeida, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, JoaoPauloAlmeida, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller'

08:30:56 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I am having some technical problems, sound is very bad

Joao Almeida: I am having some technical problems, sound is very bad

08:30:57 <deirdrelee> Challenges google doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhTZf3B9yQ3odGVvU3pBazFsY3pyUVppNDFSZGtyQkE&usp=sharing&richtext=true#gid=5

Deirdre Lee: Challenges google doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhTZf3B9yQ3odGVvU3pBazFsY3pyUVppNDFSZGtyQkE&usp=sharing&richtext=true#gid=5

08:31:22 <ericstephan> not great sound at this point....

Eric Stephan: not great sound at this point....

08:31:31 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Sound was good yesterday, but quite bad today

Joao Almeida: Sound was good yesterday, but quite bad today

08:31:33 <ericstephan> might be part of a dream sequence

Eric Stephan: might be part of a dream sequence

08:32:13 <deirdrelee> on second tab, master challenges

Deirdre Lee: on second tab, master challenges

08:32:13 <ericstephan> It might be too tough with the breakouts

Eric Stephan: It might be too tough with the breakouts

08:32:14 <HadleyBeeman> sorry, joaopaulo and ericstephan. We're trying to make it better — it's a bigger room.

Hadley Beeman: sorry, joaopaulo and ericstephan. We're trying to make it better — it's a bigger room.

08:32:16 <nathalia> the sound for me is a little low

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: the sound for me is a little low

08:32:35 <ericstephan> is the facility under water?

Eric Stephan: is the facility under water?

08:32:44 <MakxDekkers> sound on hangout is reasonable

Makx Dekkers: sound on hangout is reasonable

08:32:51 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> what's different from yesterday?

Joao Almeida: what's different from yesterday?

08:33:01 <HadleyBeeman> joaopaulo: it's a different room

Joao Almeida: it's a different room [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

08:33:01 <gatemezi_> same problem here ..

Ghislain Atemezing: same problem here ..

08:33:21 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> ok

Joao Almeida: ok

08:33:21 <ericstephan> IRC might be our best friend today

Eric Stephan: IRC might be our best friend today

08:33:32 <MakxDekkers> better than yesterday, i guess it's room acoustics

Makx Dekkers: better than yesterday, i guess it's room acoustics

08:33:36 <HadleyBeeman> I'm afraid there's not much we can do.  I think ericstephan is right:  IRC may be even more important than usual.

Hadley Beeman: I'm afraid there's not much we can do. I think ericstephan is right: IRC may be even more important than usual.

08:33:43 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I'll try the sound in hangout

Joao Almeida: I'll try the sound in hangout

08:34:12 <adler1> deirdrelee: the first one is metadata and it relates to vocabularies as well

Deirdre Lee: the first one is metadata and it relates to vocabularies as well [ Scribe Assist by Steven Adler ]

08:34:25 <adler1> ... I propose metadata would go in best practices group

Steven Adler: ... I propose metadata would go in best practices group

08:34:54 <Zakim> -ericstephan

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericstephan

08:34:57 <adler1> ... the second challenge is the granularity of data to publish

Steven Adler: ... the second challenge is the granularity of data to publish

08:35:20 <adler1> ... formats - CSV and other formats

Steven Adler: ... formats - CSV and other formats

08:35:32 <adler1> ... different indictors

Steven Adler: ... different indictors

08:35:42 <adler1> ... heterogeneous formats

Steven Adler: ... heterogeneous formats

08:35:55 <HadleyBeeman> I've updated the agenda for today: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014#2nd_day_.2801.2F04.29

Hadley Beeman: I've updated the agenda for today: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014#2nd_day_.2801.2F04.29

08:35:59 <adler1> ... common vobs are not used

Steven Adler: ... common vobs are not used

08:36:14 <adler1> ... added value comes from comparable data sets combined

Steven Adler: ... added value comes from comparable data sets combined

08:36:29 <adler1> ... usw

Steven Adler: ... usw

08:37:27 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here?

08:37:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Steve, JoaoPauloAlmeida_

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Steve, JoaoPauloAlmeida_

08:37:29 <Zakim> Steve has Hadley, Yaso, Flavio, Newton, Bernadette, Ig, Deirdre, Jeremy, Adriano, Brian, Laufer, Vagner, JohnG, MarkH, Antoine, Caroline, PhilA

Zakim IRC Bot: Steve has Hadley, Yaso, Flavio, Newton, Bernadette, Ig, Deirdre, Jeremy, Adriano, Brian, Laufer, Vagner, JohnG, MarkH, Antoine, Caroline, PhilA

08:37:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see adrianov, JoaoPauloAlmeida, gatemezi_, BernadetteLoscio, antoine, fkyanai, yaso, HadleyBeeman, markharrison, deirdrelee, Ig_Bittencourt_, jeremy, RRSAgent, Zakim,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see adrianov, JoaoPauloAlmeida, gatemezi_, BernadetteLoscio, antoine, fkyanai, yaso, HadleyBeeman, markharrison, deirdrelee, Ig_Bittencourt_, jeremy, RRSAgent, Zakim,

08:37:29 <Zakim> ... PhilA, Caroline_, JohnGoodwin, adler1, laufer, newton, ericstephan, nathalia, gatemezi, MakxDekkers, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... PhilA, Caroline_, JohnGoodwin, adler1, laufer, newton, ericstephan, nathalia, gatemezi, MakxDekkers, trackbot

08:37:37 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida_

Zakim IRC Bot: -JoaoPauloAlmeida_

08:37:42 <PhilA> present+ Carlos

Phil Archer: present+ Carlos

08:37:58 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> PhilA, again this code is not valid

Joao Almeida: PhilA, again this code is not valid

08:38:13 <ericstephan> I am just hanging out on IRC

Eric Stephan: I am just hanging out on IRC

08:40:33 <Zakim> +MakxDekkers

Zakim IRC Bot: +MakxDekkers

08:40:56 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> adler1, please do not forget to scribe on behalf of us remote participants

Joao Almeida: adler1, please do not forget to scribe on behalf of us remote participants

08:41:04 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, steve has me

Hadley Beeman: zakim, steve has me

08:41:04 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman; got it

08:42:04 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

08:42:14 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, IPcaller is me

Joao Almeida: Zakim, IPcaller is me

08:42:14 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

08:43:33 <adler1> deidrelee is reading all the challenges from the spreadsheet

Steven Adler: deidrelee is reading all the challenges from the spreadsheet

08:43:45 <Zakim> +ericstephan

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericstephan

08:44:30 <nathalia> I'm not hearing nothing

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: I'm not hearing nothing

08:45:01 <nathalia> Hangout is mute

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: Hangout is mute

08:45:06 <ericstephan> no sound at all nathalia?

Eric Stephan: no sound at all nathalia?

08:46:10 <nathalia> no sound at all

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: no sound at all

08:46:18 <nathalia> at Hangout

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: at Hangout

08:47:41 <nathalia> No more parties can be added this time

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: No more parties can be added this time

08:47:46 <nathalia> :(

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: :(

08:47:53 <nathalia> Zakim said this

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: Zakim said this

08:47:55 <PhilA> zakim, room for 1 more?

Phil Archer: zakim, room for 1 more?

08:47:55 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, PhilA.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, PhilA.

08:48:04 <PhilA> zakim, room for 2?

Phil Archer: zakim, room for 2?

08:48:06 <Zakim> sorry, PhilA; could not schedule an adhoc conference; passcode overlap; if you do not have a fixed code you may try again

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, PhilA; could not schedule an adhoc conference; passcode overlap; if you do not have a fixed code you may try again

08:49:10 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> deirdrelee is almost at the end of the challenges spreadsheet

Joao Almeida: deirdrelee is almost at the end of the challenges spreadsheet

08:49:47 <ericstephan> Okay I'll hang up and wait on IRC PhilA

Eric Stephan: Okay I'll hang up and wait on IRC PhilA

08:49:48 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, who is talking?

Joao Almeida: Zakim, who is talking?

08:49:50 <nathalia> ok PhilA

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: ok PhilA

08:49:54 <Zakim> -ericstephan

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericstephan

08:50:00 <Zakim> JoaoPauloAlmeida, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MakxDekkers (31%), Steve (13%)

Zakim IRC Bot: JoaoPauloAlmeida, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MakxDekkers (31%), Steve (13%)

08:50:01 <newton> Zakim, who is making noise?

Newton Calegari: Zakim, who is making noise?

08:50:13 <Zakim> newton, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MakxDekkers (57%), Steve (86%)

Zakim IRC Bot: newton, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MakxDekkers (57%), Steve (86%)

08:50:18 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> MakxDekkers, can you mute yourself?

Joao Almeida: MakxDekkers, can you mute yourself?

08:50:27 <MakxDekkers> zakim, mute me

Makx Dekkers: zakim, mute me

08:50:27 <Zakim> MakxDekkers should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MakxDekkers should now be muted

08:50:45 <ericstephan> Is it the rain in Spain Makx?

Eric Stephan: Is it the rain in Spain Makx?

08:50:57 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

08:51:18 <nathalia> I'm at Zakim

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: I'm at Zakim

08:51:27 <adler1> ... they could all go into best practice and pull out the ones into data usage and granulatiry and they others can go into the other group

Steven Adler: ... they could all go into best practice and pull out the ones into data usage and granulatiry and they others can go into the other group

08:51:38 <PhilA> zakim, ipcaller is nathalia

Phil Archer: zakim, ipcaller is nathalia

08:51:38 <Zakim> +nathalia; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +nathalia; got it

08:51:44 <nathalia> :))

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: :))

08:52:15 <PhilA> q+

Phil Archer: q+

08:52:20 <adler1> had: our next step is to plit into groups

Steven Adler: HadleyBeeman our next step is to split into groups

08:52:57 <laufer> s/plit/split/
08:53:25 <gatemezi_> s/had:/HadleyBeeman
08:53:44 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I could be in group 1 if I good hear :-O

Joao Almeida: I could be in group 1 if I good hear :-O

08:54:07 <gatemezi_> which are the groups?

Ghislain Atemezing: which are the groups?

08:54:20 <PhilA> Thing 1 is best Practices

Phil Archer: Thing 1 is best Practices

08:54:25 <adler1> had: the discussion groups will discuss use cases and the structure of the documents

Hadley Beeman: the discussion groups will discuss use cases and the structure of the documents [ Scribe Assist by Steven Adler ]

08:54:28 <PhilA> Thing 2 is Quality & Granularity

Phil Archer: Thing 2 is Quality & Granularity

08:54:32 <PhilA> Thing 3 is Data Usage

Phil Archer: Thing 3 is Data Usage

08:54:34 <adler1> creating requiremenst from the challenges

Steven Adler: creating requiremenst from the challenges

08:54:50 <adler1> the requirements we come up with will go into the use case docuemnt

Steven Adler: the requirements we come up with will go into the use case docuemnt

08:54:59 <PhilA> Not writing the vocabs, but working on requirements for those requirements

Phil Archer: Not writing the vocabs, but working on requirements for those requirements

08:55:20 <adler1> who are the discussion leaders - each group decides

Steven Adler: who are the discussion leaders - each group decides

08:56:03 <nathalia> ok

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: ok

08:58:35 <gatemezi_> Can't we merge Thing 2 and Thing 3 ?

Ghislain Atemezing: Can't we merge Thing 2 and Thing 3 ?

09:02:54 <HadleyBeeman> gatemezi_: the decisions may merge, but first we need to sort out the notes and use cases for each.

Ghislain Atemezing: the decisions may merge, but first we need to sort out the notes and use cases for each. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

09:03:27 <gatemezi_> Ok, HadleyBeeman

Ghislain Atemezing: Ok, HadleyBeeman

09:03:32 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> sound is gone worse now

Joao Almeida: sound is gone worse now

09:03:38 <ericstephan> During this breakout time I'm wondering for productivity if it would be helpful to spend some time doing analysis between syergistic/overlapping CSVW Use Cases and DWBP Challenges.  Would this be too divergent?

Eric Stephan: During this breakout time I'm wondering for productivity if it would be helpful to spend some time doing analysis between syergistic/overlapping CSVW Use Cases and DWBP Challenges. Would this be too divergent?

09:04:04 <adler1> leigh dods is doing some work on licensing in ODI and we agreed to park that idea and come back to it later

Steven Adler: leigh dods is doing some work on licensing in ODI and we agreed to park that idea and come back to it later

09:04:26 <PhilA> I was suggesting that we split off licences, i.e. machine readable licences. Invite Leigh Dodds, and perhaps the ODRL folks, to look at that. This WG *could* be a vehicle for standardisation of that work if a) this WG felt it useful; b) extra capacity came to the WG to deliver it

Phil Archer: I was suggesting that we split off licences, i.e. machine readable licences. Invite Leigh Dodds, and perhaps the ODRL folks, to look at that. This WG *could* be a vehicle for standardisation of that work if a) this WG felt it useful; b) extra capacity came to the WG to deliver it

09:05:03 <PhilA> action: PhilA to contact Leigh Dodds wrt exchangeable licences etc.

ACTION: PhilA to contact Leigh Dodds wrt exchangeable licences etc.

09:05:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Contact leigh dodds wrt exchangeable licences etc. [on Phil Archer - due 2014-04-08].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-17 - Contact leigh dodds wrt exchangeable licences etc. [on Phil Archer - due 2014-04-08].

09:05:55 <antoine> for the record i am also to do some work on licenses for europeans

Antoine Isaac: for the record i am also to do some work on licenses for europeans

09:06:14 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> so, what's going on?

Joao Almeida: so, what's going on?

09:06:51 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> HadleyBeeman, what's going on?

Joao Almeida: HadleyBeeman, what's going on?

09:06:52 <HadleyBeeman> JoaoPaulo, Makx, Eric:

Hadley Beeman: JoaoPaulo, Makx, Eric:

09:06:53 <nathalia> I'm thinking is dividing groups

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: I'm thinking is dividing groups

09:07:05 <HadleyBeeman> (and nathalia, gatemezi)

Hadley Beeman: (and nathalia, gatemezi)

09:07:29 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> It's so crazy that video feed is good and sound terrible...

Joao Almeida: It's so crazy that video feed is good and sound terrible...

09:07:33 <HadleyBeeman> We are splitting up into 3 groups.  One for Best practices, one for Data usage vocab, one for data quality vocab.

Hadley Beeman: We are splitting up into 3 groups. One for Best practices, one for Data usage vocab, one for data quality vocab.

09:07:46 <HadleyBeeman> Give us a sec — I will tell you how to join

Hadley Beeman: Give us a sec — I will tell you how to join

09:07:51 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> thx

Joao Almeida: thx

09:07:52 <nathalia> ok

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: ok

09:07:56 <gatemezi_> ok

Ghislain Atemezing: ok

09:07:58 <ericstephan> Ok great, thank you

Eric Stephan: Ok great, thank you

09:12:36 <Zakim> -MakxDekkers

Zakim IRC Bot: -MakxDekkers

09:12:46 <laufer> çlaufer

Carlos Laufer: çlaufer

09:12:55 <laufer> -laufer

Carlos Laufer: -laufer

09:13:04 <Caroline_> Best Practices groups is working on IRC #dwbpbestpractices

Caroline Burle: Best Practices groups is working on IRC #dwbpbestpractices

09:13:26 <yaso>  dwbp-DataUsage

Yaso Córdova: dwbp-DataUsage

09:13:42 <yaso> Data Usage Task force: #dwbp-DataUsage

Yaso Córdova: Data Usage Task force: #dwbp-DataUsage

09:14:10 <Zakim> -nathalia

Zakim IRC Bot: -nathalia

09:16:13 <HadleyBeeman> Okay, remote participants:  we are splitting into the groups, each with their own IRC channel.

Hadley Beeman: Okay, remote participants: we are splitting into the groups, each with their own IRC channel.

09:16:44 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> ok, What about sound/hang out?

Joao Almeida: ok, What about sound/hang out?

09:16:47 <HadleyBeeman> They are working on notes on the wiki: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page#Deliverables

Hadley Beeman: They are working on notes on the wiki: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page#Deliverables

09:17:14 <deirdrelee> IRC Channel for quality and granularity group is #dwbpq&g

Deirdre Lee: IRC Channel for quality and granularity group is #dwbpq&g

09:17:33 <HadleyBeeman> JoaoPauloAlmeida, there is a google hangout in the Best Practices discussion, and a Skype connection in the Data Quality discussion

Hadley Beeman: JoaoPauloAlmeida, there is a google hangout in the Best Practices discussion, and a Skype connection in the Data Quality discussion

09:18:16 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida

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09:18:48 <HadleyBeeman> And a hangout for the Data Usage discussion too, I think.

Hadley Beeman: And a hangout for the Data Usage discussion too, I think.

09:19:20 <jeremy> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_notes

Jeremy Debattista: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_notes

09:19:52 <Caroline_> Zakim, who's here?

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09:19:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see Steve

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09:19:54 <Zakim> Steve has HadleyBeeman

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09:19:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see MakxDekkers, BrianMatthews, yaso, fkyanai, CarlosIglesias, adrianov, JoaoPauloAlmeida, BernadetteLoscio, antoine, HadleyBeeman, markharrison, deirdrelee, jeremy,

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09:19:54 <Zakim> ... RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA, Caroline_, JohnGoodwin, adler1, nathalia, gatemezi, trackbot

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09:21:04 <adler1> PhilA, when you publish a dataset its for the potential users of the dataset is this a one off and will it be updated every month

Steven Adler: PhilA, when you publish a dataset its for the potential users of the dataset is this a one off and will it be updated every month

09:21:26 <adler1> ... what ever the update period is where is the policy that says you are going to do so

Steven Adler: ... what ever the update period is where is the policy that says you are going to do so

09:22:06 <HadleyBeeman> topic:  Data quality task force

1. Data quality task force

09:23:03 <adler1> .. DCAT is missing things that we can add to

Steven Adler: .. DCAT is missing things that we can add to

09:23:36 <MakxDekkers> q+

Makx Dekkers: q+

09:24:13 <deirdrelee> ack PhilA

Deirdre Lee: ack PhilA

09:24:17 <deirdrelee> ack MakxDekkers

Deirdre Lee: ack MakxDekkers

09:25:00 <deirdrelee> MakxDekkers: the subjective quality parameters are more difficult to capture and represent

Makx Dekkers: the subjective quality parameters are more difficult to capture and represent [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

09:25:18 <deirdrelee> ... should be careful not to mix these with the objective aspects, which will lead to quality

Deirdre Lee: ... should be careful not to mix these with the objective aspects, which will lead to quality

09:25:49 <deirdrelee> adler1: could we include both?

Steven Adler: could we include both? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

09:25:50 <deirdrelee> PhilA: how to express something that is subjective

Phil Archer: how to express something that is subjective [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

09:27:08 <adler1> jeremy, metrics are subjective to each person point of view

Steven Adler: jeremy, metrics are subjective to each person point of view

09:27:34 <adler1> ... we encounter a number of subjective metrics

Steven Adler: ... we encounter a number of subjective metrics

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09:28:01 <Zakim> Attendees were ericstephan, JoaoPauloAlmeida_, Hadley, Yaso, Flavio, Newton, Bernadette, Ig, Deirdre, Jeremy, Adriano, Brian, Laufer, Vagner, JohnG, MarkH, Antoine, Caroline,

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09:28:01 <Zakim> ... PhilA, MakxDekkers, HadleyBeeman, JoaoPauloAlmeida, nathalia

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09:31:08 <deirdrelee> adler1: quality should be bidirectional, user opinions should be incorporated

Steven Adler: quality should be bidirectional, user opinions should be incorporated [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

09:31:49 <MakxDekkers> can we separate and start with the objective facts?

Makx Dekkers: can we separate and start with the objective facts?

09:32:09 <deirdrelee> PhilA: there is a w3c workshop on this in san francisco

Phil Archer: there is a w3c workshop on this in san francisco [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

09:32:24 <PhilA> -> http://www.w3.org/2014/04/annotation/ Annotations workshop

Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/2014/04/annotation/ Annotations workshop

09:32:45 <MakxDekkers> a subjective statement is not a fact about a resource

Makx Dekkers: a subjective statement is not a fact about a resource

09:34:06 <MakxDekkers> it's a fact about the relationship between the person that makes a jusdgment and the resource

Makx Dekkers: it's a fact about the relationship between the person that makes a jusdgment and the resource

09:35:09 <PhilA> zakim, end meeting

Phil Archer: zakim, end meeting

09:35:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'end meeting', PhilA

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09:35:16 <PhilA> zakim, bye

Phil Archer: zakim, bye

09:35:33 <PhilA> zakim, room for 6?

Phil Archer: zakim, room for 6?

09:35:34 <Zakim> ok, PhilA; conference Team_(dwbp)09:35Z scheduled with code 3927 (DWBP) for 60 minutes until 1035Z

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09:35:41 <MakxDekkers> those are objective facts deirdre

Makx Dekkers: those are objective facts deirdre

09:35:52 <deirdrelee> yes

Deirdre Lee: yes

09:35:54 <PhilA> zakim, code?

Phil Archer: zakim, code?

09:35:54 <Zakim> the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA

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09:36:17 <MakxDekkers> +q

Makx Dekkers: +q

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09:36:38 <Zakim> +Steve

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steve

09:37:17 <deirdrelee> jeremy: different domains have different quality requirements

Jeremy Debattista: different domains have different quality requirements [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

09:37:41 <deirdrelee> ack MakxDekkers

Deirdre Lee: ack MakxDekkers

09:38:26 <adler1> MakxDekkers, the provider will never say its rubbish whereas the user may provide that feedback

Steven Adler: MakxDekkers, the provider will never say its rubbish whereas the user may provide that feedback

09:38:29 <deirdrelee> antoine: many quality metrics can be added by data publisher or user, it's data centric

Antoine Isaac: many quality metrics can be added by data publisher or user, it's data centric [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

09:39:23 <deirdrelee> MakxDekkers: the data publisher and user will add different kinds of metrics, we should make a distinction between statement of facts and opinions

Makx Dekkers: the data publisher and user will add different kinds of metrics, we should make a distinction between statement of facts and opinions [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

09:43:08 <deirdrelee> antoine: why close the door on data user adding objective facts?

Antoine Isaac: why close the door on data user adding objective facts? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

09:44:24 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: we can first look at obective facts and then subjective, but who adds the objective facts (users or publishers) is irrelevnat

Deirdre Lee: we can first look at obective facts and then subjective, but who adds the objective facts (users or publishers) is irrelevnat [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

09:45:27 <deirdrelee> adler1: user is not only an individual, but could also be an institution. publisher could also be an individual

Steven Adler: user is not only an individual, but could also be an institution. publisher could also be an individual [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

09:46:05 <deirdrelee> antoine: for example OSM

Antoine Isaac: for example OSM [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

09:47:58 <PhilA> -> http://www.w3.org/2014/04/daQ Jeremy's slides

Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/2014/04/daQ Jeremy's slides

09:53:00 <deirdrelee> jeremy: a colleague of Jeremy's in Uni of Leipzig did a paper on quality metrics, should be available soon

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Jeremy Debattista: a colleague of Jeremy's in Uni of Leipzig did a paper on quality metrics, should be available soon [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

09:53:30 <MakxDekkers> does daQ include information about the entity that did the measurement?

Makx Dekkers: does daQ include information about the entity that did the measurement?

09:55:29 <deirdrelee> jeremy: the provenance should be included in vocab, but at what level, per metric, per dimension?

Jeremy Debattista: the provenance should be included in vocab, but at what level, per metric, per dimension? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

09:56:23 <deirdrelee> PhilA: there could be multiple metrics on a particular dataset

Phil Archer: there could be multiple metrics on a particular dataset [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

09:57:05 <deirdrelee> antoine: our role would be to define what metrics to include?

Antoine Isaac: our role would be to define what metrics to include? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

09:57:51 <deirdrelee> PhilA: jeremy has to convince dwbp chairs that we should use daQ

Phil Archer: jeremy has to convince dwbp chairs that we should use daQ [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

09:58:15 <deirdrelee> phi

Deirdre Lee: phi

09:59:28 <deirdrelee> PhilA: Evaluation and Report Language (EARL) W3C accessibility has some of what jeremy can reuse http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/earl.php

Phil Archer: Evaluation and Report Language (EARL) W3C accessibility has some of what jeremy can reuse http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/earl.php [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

09:59:52 <deirdrelee> ... it includes provenance etc.

Deirdre Lee: ... it includes provenance etc.

10:00:23 <deirdrelee> jeremy: nobody whould question the data in the quality graph

Jeremy Debattista: nobody whould question the data in the quality graph [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

10:00:47 <deirdrelee> antoine: why not?

Antoine Isaac: why not? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

10:01:05 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here?

10:01:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Steve

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10:01:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see BrianMatthews, MakxDekkers, yaso, fkyanai, CarlosIglesias, adrianov, JoaoPauloAlmeida, HadleyBeeman, markharrison, deirdrelee, jeremy, RRSAgent, PhilA, Caroline_,

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10:01:07 <Zakim> ... JohnGoodwin, adler1, nathalia, trackbot

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10:02:37 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: jeremy's model is for automatically created metrics, not necessarily human-created

Deirdre Lee: jeremy's model is for automatically created metrics, not necessarily human-created [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

10:03:56 <deirdrelee> PhilA: are there liability issues with quality metrics?

Phil Archer: are there liability issues with quality metrics? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

10:04:21 <deirdrelee> adler1: there could be multple values for each metric

Steven Adler: there could be multple values for each metric [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

10:04:39 <MakxDekkers> Looking at EARL schema. Looks quite useful

Makx Dekkers: Looking at EARL schema. Looks quite useful

10:04:44 <MakxDekkers> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/

Makx Dekkers: http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/

10:05:29 <deirdrelee> PhilA: can jeremy add a real use-case?

Phil Archer: can jeremy add a real use-case? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

10:06:45 <deirdrelee> ... any metric that you measure is a subset of those that could be measured, the selection of metrics is subjective

Deirdre Lee: ... any metric that you measure is a subset of those that could be measured, the selection of metrics is subjective

10:07:25 <deirdrelee> adler1: quality can be a composite point of view

Steven Adler: quality can be a composite point of view [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

10:07:37 <deirdrelee> antoine: we will still have to define some metrics

Antoine Isaac: we will still have to define some metrics [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

10:07:52 <deirdrelee> PhilA: jeremy is doing this

Phil Archer: jeremy is doing this [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

10:08:33 <deirdrelee> antoine: if there are multiple use-cases that point to same metrics, we can include them in the vocab, but they can be extended

Antoine Isaac: if there are multiple use-cases that point to same metrics, we can include them in the vocab, but they can be extended [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

10:10:26 <deirdrelee> PhilA: there are some datasets that are authoritative, this should be a metric, but is this a quality metric or a descriptive metric (for dcat+)

Phil Archer: there are some datasets that are authoritative, this should be a metric, but is this a quality metric or a descriptive metric (for dcat+) [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

10:12:29 <deirdrelee> jeremy: we should think about what consumers need to know

Jeremy Debattista: we should think about what consumers need to know [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

10:13:07 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: data publishers could also say their data is not good quality

Deirdre Lee: data publishers could also say their data is not good quality [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

10:13:21 <deirdrelee> antoine: what is the relationship with datacube?

Antoine Isaac: what is the relationship with datacube? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

10:14:08 <deirdrelee> adler1: there are metrics for confidence, but no metric for measuring doubt,

Steven Adler: there are metrics for confidence, but no metric for measuring doubt, [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

10:14:33 <deirdrelee> ... to allow human nature to admit some doubt

Deirdre Lee: ... to allow human nature to admit some doubt

10:15:03 <MakxDekkers> deirdre a publisher would most likely not say unqualified "not good", they would probably say things like ...

Makx Dekkers: deirdre a publisher would most likely not say unqualified "not good", they would probably say things like ...

10:15:28 <MakxDekkers> this data hasn't bee ncleaned, or it comes from a source we haven't been able to verify

Makx Dekkers: this data hasn't bee ncleaned, or it comes from a source we haven't been able to verify

10:15:38 <deirdrelee> ... don't only have positive assertiions on data, how about negative assertions, but phrased in a way to make it 'pschologically' ok for data not to be great

Deirdre Lee: ... don't only have positive assertiions on data, how about negative assertions, but phrased in a way to make it 'pschologically' ok for data not to be great

10:15:51 <MakxDekkers> that's what I meant

Makx Dekkers: that's what I meant

10:16:06 <MakxDekkers> the negative or disclaimers

Makx Dekkers: the negative or disclaimers

10:16:27 <deirdrelee> cheers makx

Deirdre Lee: cheers makx

10:16:45 <deirdrelee> chris taggart from opencorporates chatting to group now

Deirdre Lee: chris taggart from opencorporates chatting to group now

10:17:26 <MakxDekkers> can't hear chris at all

Makx Dekkers: can't hear chris at all

10:17:50 <deirdrelee> he's just chatting, not a presentation

Deirdre Lee: he's just chatting, not a presentation

10:18:34 <deirdrelee> we're having a coffee break now too

Deirdre Lee: we're having a coffee break now too

10:18:39 <deirdrelee> chat in 10 mins

Deirdre Lee: chat in 10 mins

10:19:40 <MakxDekkers> so is it sensible to say there are three levels: 1. dcat+-type facts 2. daQ/EARL-type metrics 3. opinions?

Makx Dekkers: so is it sensible to say there are three levels: 1. dcat+-type facts 2. daQ/EARL-type metrics 3. opinions?

10:19:43 <jeremy> This is the survey paper I was talking about: www.semantic-web-journal.net/system/files/swj556.pdf - it is still under review, but a good overview of what metrics exists for LOD

Jeremy Debattista: This is the survey paper I was talking about: www.semantic-web-journal.net/system/files/swj556.pdf - it is still under review, but a good overview of what metrics exists for LOD

10:21:40 <MakxDekkers> useful refernce.

Makx Dekkers: useful refernce.

10:38:29 <MakxDekkers> Maybe also useful http://www.slideshare.net/OpenDataSupport/open-data-quality-29248578

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Makx Dekkers: Maybe also useful http://www.slideshare.net/OpenDataSupport/open-data-quality-29248578

10:39:19 <MakxDekkers> Slide 8 has an overview of quality dimensions

Makx Dekkers: Slide 8 has an overview of quality dimensions

10:39:24 <deirdrelee> cheers

Deirdre Lee: cheers

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10:40:02 <Zakim> Attendees were Steve

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10:40:44 <jeremy> @MakxDekkers - did you actually implement those metrics?

Jeremy Debattista: @MakxDekkers - did you actually implement those metrics?

10:41:46 <MakxDekkers> jeremy, these are not metrics -- the slides provide best practice advice to publishers to address those dimensions

Makx Dekkers: jeremy, these are not metrics -- the slides provide best practice advice to publishers to address those dimensions

10:41:57 <MakxDekkers> we haven't measured the data they provide

Makx Dekkers: we haven't measured the data they provide

10:43:42 <jeremy> yes you are right... my mistake.. they would be "Dimensions" in terms of daq - (as you rightly said in the slides)

Jeremy Debattista: yes you are right... my mistake.. they would be "Dimensions" in terms of daq - (as you rightly said in the slides)

10:43:52 <MakxDekkers> BP recomm is eg "check data before publication to increase consistency" (slide 17)

Makx Dekkers: BP recomm is eg "check data before publication to increase consistency" (slide 17)

10:47:31 <MakxDekkers> has the group reconvened yet?

Makx Dekkers: has the group reconvened yet?

10:49:22 <MakxDekkers> I hear the word "quality" but I can't hear what people are saying.

Makx Dekkers: I hear the word "quality" but I can't hear what people are saying.

10:49:41 <deirdrelee> no,everyone's still out for coffee

Deirdre Lee: no,everyone's still out for coffee

10:49:50 <MakxDekkers> ok

Makx Dekkers: ok

10:49:51 <deirdrelee> steve and i talking to chris

Deirdre Lee: steve and i talking to chris

11:13:52 <MakxDekkers> the issue of trust is a completely different aspect

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Makx Dekkers: the issue of trust is a completely different aspect

11:14:12 <MakxDekkers> the model needs to allow for lying

Makx Dekkers: the model needs to allow for lying

11:14:44 <MakxDekkers> reputation is certainly an issue

Makx Dekkers: reputation is certainly an issue

11:14:51 <Caroline_> Scribe: JoaoPauloAlmeida

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11:14:53 <Caroline_> sorry!

Caroline Burle: sorry!

11:15:03 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> that would be complicated

that would be complicated

11:15:08 <Caroline_> Scribe: JohnGoodwin

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11:15:38 <MakxDekkers> any statement about quality needs to be accompanied by provenance info

Makx Dekkers: any statement about quality needs to be accompanied by provenance info

11:16:10 <MakxDekkers> dcat+-type statements are covered by the fact that it is the publisher saying it

Makx Dekkers: dcat+-type statements are covered by the fact that it is the publisher saying it

11:16:37 <MakxDekkers> and you either trust the publisher or you don't

Makx Dekkers: and you either trust the publisher or you don't

11:17:23 <MakxDekkers> deirdre, yes let's get concrete

Makx Dekkers: deirdre, yes let's get concrete

11:19:17 <MakxDekkers> sound is confused

Makx Dekkers: sound is confused

11:21:12 <MakxDekkers> several people talking

Makx Dekkers: several people talking

11:25:20 <deirdrelee> adler1: reputation  is important

Steven Adler: reputation is important [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

11:27:41 <MakxDekkers> text is data too, e.g. legislation

Makx Dekkers: text is data too, e.g. legislation

11:28:21 <MakxDekkers> out scope is not limited to structured data, I think?

Makx Dekkers: out scope is not limited to structured data, I think?

11:28:28 <MakxDekkers> our scope

Makx Dekkers: our scope

11:29:03 <MakxDekkers> legislation.gov.uk for example

Makx Dekkers: legislation.gov.uk for example

11:29:44 <deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_notes

Deirdre Lee: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_notes

11:32:15 <MakxDekkers> I don't know how quality and granularity are related?

Makx Dekkers: I don't know how quality and granularity are related?

11:32:24 <deirdrelee> jeremy: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Use_Cases

Jeremy Debattista: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Use_Cases [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

11:33:03 <deirdrelee> topic: granularity

2. granularity

11:33:21 <deirdrelee> jeremy: granularity is a metric of quality?

Jeremy Debattista: granularity is a metric of quality? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

11:33:34 <deirdrelee> ... they defined granularity as number of triples

Deirdre Lee: ... they defined granularity as number of triples

11:33:55 <MakxDekkers> the quality aspect of that are in the area of 'fit for purpose'

Makx Dekkers: the quality aspect of that are in the area of 'fit for purpose'

11:34:31 <MakxDekkers> e.g. gps with granularity of 1 km is not useful for navigation

Makx Dekkers: e.g. gps with granularity of 1 km is not useful for navigation

11:34:51 <jeremy> you are right MakxDekkers

Jeremy Debattista: you are right MakxDekkers

11:34:55 <deirdrelee> adler1: in terms of lineage, could each entity that touches the data enter quality info?

Steven Adler: in terms of lineage, could each entity that touches the data enter quality info? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

11:35:08 <MakxDekkers> climate-level granularity is not usful for today's weahter report

Makx Dekkers: climate-level granularity is not usful for today's weahter report

11:35:29 <deirdrelee> PhilA: here's the prov-o ontology http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-o/

Phil Archer: here's the prov-o ontology http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-o/ [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

11:36:22 <MakxDekkers> too many triples might make data unusable

Makx Dekkers: too many triples might make data unusable

11:38:16 <deirdrelee> jeremy: there are conciseness issues too, e.g. dbpedia have a lot of triples, but this is necessary

Jeremy Debattista: there are conciseness issues too, e.g. dbpedia have a lot of triples, but this is necessary [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

11:39:11 <deirdrelee> MakxDekkers: you can publish the objective metric of 'number of triples', but if this determines good/bad quality depends on user

Makx Dekkers: you can publish the objective metric of 'number of triples', but if this determines good/bad quality depends on user [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

11:39:47 <deirdrelee> adler1: will link jeremy to ibm guys working on quality

Steven Adler: will link jeremy to ibm guys working on quality [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

11:39:59 <PhilA> action: antoine to talk to Paul Groth about how prov-o could be used in providing assessment of dataset quality

ACTION: antoine to talk to Paul Groth about how prov-o could be used in providing assessment of dataset quality

11:40:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - Talk to paul groth about how prov-o could be used in providing assessment of dataset quality [on Antoine Isaac - due 2014-04-08].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-18 - Talk to paul groth about how prov-o could be used in providing assessment of dataset quality [on Antoine Isaac - due 2014-04-08].

11:41:50 <deirdrelee> PhilA: granularity may have originally referred to periodicity

Phil Archer: granularity may have originally referred to periodicity [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

11:42:17 <deirdrelee> antoine: could we think of granularity in terms of measurement precision?

Antoine Isaac: could we think of granularity in terms of measurement precision? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

11:42:27 <deirdrelee> PhilA: accuracy vs. precision

Phil Archer: accuracy vs. precision [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

11:43:37 <adrianov> scribe: adrianov

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11:43:53 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: OS is a good example where granularity is a key metric

Deirdre Lee: OS is a good example where granularity is a key metric [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

11:44:25 <deirdrelee> antoine: we could include precision scales within the vocabulary

Antoine Isaac: we could include precision scales within the vocabulary [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

11:46:03 <deirdrelee> ... we could have a controlled list of levels per domain

Deirdre Lee: ... we could have a controlled list of levels per domain

11:47:06 <deirdrelee> PhilA: is that not already included in each domain vocabulary?

Phil Archer: is that not already included in each domain vocabulary? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

11:47:32 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: is this a more important metric that we should focus on it? it is not included in other quality metric lists

Deirdre Lee: is this a more important metric that we should focus on it? it is not included in other quality metric lists [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

11:47:52 <deirdrelee> antoine: we should come up with a pattern to define and quality metric

Antoine Isaac: we should come up with a pattern to define and quality metric [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

11:48:09 <deirdrelee> PhilA: just add a metric class in dcat+

Phil Archer: just add a metric class in dcat+ [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

11:48:34 <deirdrelee> ... we should not create controlled list of domain-specific things

Deirdre Lee: ... we should not create controlled list of domain-specific things

11:50:36 <MakxDekkers> +q

Makx Dekkers: +q

11:50:57 <MakxDekkers> q-

Makx Dekkers: q-

11:51:00 <MakxDekkers> +1 antoine

Makx Dekkers: +1 antoine

11:54:20 <deirdrelee> antoine: data granularity should only apply to the level of detail within the data, e.g. temporal granularity applies to level of data within the dataset, not the rate of change the dataset is updated

Antoine Isaac: data granularity should only apply to the level of detail within the data, e.g. temporal granularity applies to level of data within the dataset, not the rate of change the dataset is updated [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

11:54:56 <MakxDekkers> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

11:55:31 <MakxDekkers> +1 to waht antoine just said

Makx Dekkers: +1 to waht antoine just said

11:56:10 <MakxDekkers> point people to dcat property for update frequency of the data set as a whole

Makx Dekkers: point people to dcat property for update frequency of the data set as a whole

13:05:14 <deirdrelee> Hi all, fire alarm went off during lunch

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13:05:32 <deirdrelee> we had to head out to the sun by the river!

Deirdre Lee: we had to head out to the sun by the river!

13:09:27 <PhilA> rrsagent, draft minutes

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13:14:16 <HadleyBeeman> And we're coming back, after lunch and the fire alarm

Hadley Beeman: And we're coming back, after lunch and the fire alarm

13:31:27 <deirdrelee> quality group: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_notes#From_the_charter

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Deirdre Lee: quality group: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_notes#From_the_charter

13:38:50 <deirdrelee> Hi JoaoPaulo, we are just back after lunch, everyone is in groups now following up on deliverables

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Deirdre Lee: Hi JoaoPaulo, we are just back after lunch, everyone is in groups now following up on deliverables

13:39:32 <deirdrelee> do you want to call into any group?

Deirdre Lee: do you want to call into any group?

13:40:05 <HadleyBeeman> joaopauloalmeida, there is discussion happening in #dwbp-datausage and #dwbpbestpractices

Hadley Beeman: joaopauloalmeida, there is discussion happening in #dwbp-datausage and #dwbpbestpractices

13:40:41 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> HadleyBeeman, thanks, I am in #dwbpbestpractices

Joao Almeida: HadleyBeeman, thanks, I am in #dwbpbestpractices

13:42:34 <MakxDekkers> sorry lost my connection

Makx Dekkers: sorry lost my connection

13:44:19 <HadleyBeeman> welcome back, makxdekkers :)

Hadley Beeman: welcome back, makxdekkers :)

13:59:45 <deirdrelee> jeremy: information about the quality data should be available, e.g. when it was last recorded, etc. - meta, meta data

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14:00:46 <deirdrelee> HadleyBeeman: are there example where some qualities can have specific measurements?  data is x% complete?

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14:01:45 <deirdrelee> MakxDekkers: it would be good if the data publisher could add an explanation of WHY data is incomplete, not perfect

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14:02:17 <deirdrelee> ... in certain cases you can say something is 100% perfect, e.g. in legislation.gov.uk

Deirdre Lee: ... in certain cases you can say something is 100% perfect, e.g. in legislation.gov.uk

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15:18:29 <laufer_> +laufer

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Carlos Laufer: +laufer

15:21:31 <Vagner_Br> zakim, scribe is Vagner_BR

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15:21:31 <Zakim> sorry, Vagner_Br, I do not recognize a party named 'scribe'

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15:21:50 <PhilA> -> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_notes#Suggested_requirements: Data Quality Requirements

Phil Archer: -> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_notes#Suggested_requirements: Data Quality Requirements

15:21:50 <nathalia> can we use zakim now?

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: can we use zakim now?

15:21:59 <PhilA> scribe: Vagner_Br

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15:21:50 <Vagner_Br> Topic: Wrap-up

3. Wrap-up

15:21:50 <Vagner_Br> Starting with data quality

Starting with data quality

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15:23:23 <Vagner_Br> PhilA: two vocab - 1 about process, accuratenes, completeness

Phil Archer: two vocab - 1 about process, accuratenes, completeness

15:24:44 <nathalia> * HadleyBeeman I would to like

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: * HadleyBeeman I would to like

15:24:45 <Vagner_Br> We have to collect feedback about two vocabularies

We have to collect feedback about two vocabularies

15:25:07 <nathalia> can I?

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: can I?

15:25:32 <Vagner_Br> ... next step we have to thing about whether you want to suuport SLAs

... next step we have to thing about whether you want to support SLAs

15:25:52 <gatemezi_> s/suuport/support
15:25:57 <Vagner_Br> ... probably we will end up with UML diagram

... probably we will end up with UML diagram

15:26:27 <Vagner_Br> ... maybe we shoul a taks force to take it forward

... maybe we should a taks force to take it forward

15:26:34 <Vagner_Br> s/shoul/should/
15:27:01 <Vagner_Br> ... task force should have a separated mailing list

... task force should have a separated mailing list

15:28:20 <MakxDekkers> nothing to add

Makx Dekkers: nothing to add

15:28:30 <fkyanai> eric, are you listening us ?

Flavio Yanai: eric, are you listening us ?

15:28:54 <Vagner_Br> Data usage vocabulary:

Data usage vocabulary:

15:28:55 <yaso> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_usage_notes

Yaso Córdova: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_usage_notes

15:29:39 <Vagner_Br> Bernadette: we talked about data usage vocabulary, not about data usage best practice

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we talked about data usage vocabulary, not about data usage best practice

15:29:52 <Vagner_Br> ... how to describe the data usage

... how to describe the data usage

15:30:27 <Vagner_Br> ... the vocab should focus on traceability (what, who and how dataset has been used)

... the vocab should focus on traceability (what, who and how dataset has been used)

15:30:38 <Vagner_Br> ... vocab shoul means to be described

... vocab shoul means to be described

15:31:13 <Vagner_Br> ... how = transformation - dataset to create another dataset, visualization or application

... how = transformation - dataset to create another dataset, visualization or application

15:31:41 <Vagner_Br> ... tools to keep track of data transformation

... tools to keep track of data transformation

15:32:17 <Vagner_Br> ... People using data should provide feedback. Can we have a machine-readable feedback?

... People using data should provide feedback. Can we have a machine-readable feedback?

15:32:41 <Vagner_Br> ... Feedback on data quality dimensions - completeness, correctness etc

... Feedback on data quality dimensions - completeness, correctness etc

15:33:01 <Vagner_Br> ... Is feedback providing is part of data usage vocab>

... Is feedback providing part of data usage vocab>

15:33:14 <Vagner_Br> s/is part/part
15:33:34 <Vagner_Br> ... Feedback can be use to improve the quality of data

... Feedback can be used to improve the quality of data

15:33:42 <Vagner_Br> s/be use/be used/
15:33:53 <Vagner_Br> ... Another topic is data provenance

... Another topic is data provenance

15:34:29 <Vagner_Br> ... from bothe the publisher side and from the consumer side

... from both the publisher side and from the consumer side

15:34:37 <Vagner_Br> s/bothe/both/
15:35:48 <Vagner_Br> ... Yaso: talking about use cases

... Yaso: talking about use cases

15:36:49 <Vagner_Br> ... Bernadette: we have not addressed the challenges posted in the wiki. We talk about general aspects.

... Bernadette: we have not addressed the challenges posted in the wiki. We talk about general aspects.

15:37:54 <gatemezi_> Zakim, code ?

Ghislain Atemezing: Zakim, code ?

15:37:54 <Zakim> sorry, gatemezi_, I don't know what conference this is

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15:38:20 <Vagner_Br> ... Next step: Use case doc may have requiriments for vocabs. What kind of terms we need to describe the vocab. It is important to have clear information of what should be described

... Next step: Use case doc may have requiriments for vocabs. What kind of terms we need to describe the vocab. It is important to have clear information of what should be described

15:38:24 <newton> gatemazi, Bernadette is speaking

Newton Calegari: gatemazi, Bernadette is speaking

15:38:41 <PhilA> q+

Phil Archer: q+

15:38:58 <Vagner_Br> ... also have a look to another documents on vocab description

... also have a look to another documents on vocab description

15:39:00 <PhilA> q-

Phil Archer: q-

15:39:42 <ericstephan_> Hello :-)  Is everyone back together?

Eric Stephan: Hello :-) Is everyone back together?

15:39:51 <newton> Yes Eric

Newton Calegari: Yes Eric

15:39:57 <Vagner_Br> PhilA: one of uses we need is to have ways to express scientific data

Phil Archer: one of uses we need is to have ways to express scientific data

15:40:38 <ericstephan_> I'll attempt Zakim again ...

Eric Stephan: I'll attempt Zakim again ...

15:40:49 <newton> Eric, try to connect on hangout: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpi53b5160goccfvbb33ho18

Newton Calegari: Eric, try to connect on hangout: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpi53b5160goccfvbb33ho18

15:41:51 <Vagner_Br> ... Internationalization is an issue in W3C. Discussing Multilingual Vocab description. Should be more easy to localizae it.

... Internationalization is an issue in W3C. Discussing Multilingual Vocab description. Should be more easy to localize it.

15:42:34 <laufer_> s/localizae/localize/
15:42:35 <ericstephan_> Thank you Newton :-)

Eric Stephan: Thank you Newton :-)

15:43:49 <PhilA> action PhilA to create mailing list for vocabulary work

Phil Archer: action PhilA to create mailing list for vocabulary work

15:43:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Create mailing list for vocabulary work [on Phil Archer - due 2014-04-08].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-19 - Create mailing list for vocabulary work [on Phil Archer - due 2014-04-08].

15:43:53 <Vagner_Br> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/

http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/

15:45:02 <Vagner_Br> Bernadette: we should work more on scenarios

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we should work more on scenarios

15:45:17 <PhilA> RRSAgent, draft minutes

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15:45:54 <PhilA> action bernadette to document the situations/scenarios for the Data Usage Vocab in the UCR

Phil Archer: action bernadette to document the situations/scenarios for the Data Usage Vocab in the UCR

15:45:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-20 - Document the situations/scenarios for the data usage vocab in the ucr [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2014-04-08].

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15:46:30 <PhilA> action deirdrelee to create first draft of UCR in respec

Phil Archer: action deirdrelee to create first draft of UCR in respec

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15:46:46 <PhilA> action deirdre to create first draft of UCR in respec

Phil Archer: action deirdre to create first draft of UCR in respec

15:46:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-21 - Create first draft of ucr in respec [on Deirdre Lee - due 2014-04-08].

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15:47:12 <Vagner_Br> Bernadette: for each requirements we should have a use case

Bernadette Farias Loscio: for each requirements we should have a use case

15:47:14 <PhilA> action deirdre to work with Bernadette to ensure that each requirement links back to a use case

Phil Archer: action deirdre to work with Bernadette to ensure that each requirement links back to a use case

15:47:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-22 - Work with bernadette to ensure that each requirement links back to a use case [on Deirdre Lee - due 2014-04-08].

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15:48:28 <PhilA> action bernadette to look up requirements documents for vocabularies such as Prov-o, Data Cube, SKOS

Phil Archer: action bernadette to look up requirements documents for vocabularies such as Prov-o, Data Cube, SKOS

15:48:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-23 - Look up requirements documents for vocabularies such as prov-o, data cube, skos [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2014-04-08].

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15:48:41 <BrianMatthews> On Academic Data Citation this report is useful: : https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/dsj/12/0/12_OSOM13-043/_article

Brian Matthews: On Academic Data Citation this report is useful: : https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/dsj/12/0/12_OSOM13-043/_article

15:49:04 <Vagner_Br> PhilA: to start with diagrams

Phil Archer: to start with diagrams

15:49:13 <PhilA> action PhilA to draft UML diagram for vocab(s)

Phil Archer: action PhilA to draft UML diagram for vocab(s)

15:49:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-24 - Draft uml diagram for vocab(s) [on Phil Archer - due 2014-04-08].

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15:50:06 <BrianMatthews> Also the SPAR ontologies (especially CiTO) http://sempublishing.sourceforge.net/

Brian Matthews: Also the SPAR ontologies (especially CiTO) http://sempublishing.sourceforge.net/

15:50:55 <PhilA> Hi Makx - we'd like to ask you to...

Phil Archer: Hi Makx - we'd like to ask you to...

15:51:06 <HadleyBeeman> Makx, we were wondering if you would be willing to lead the Data Quality work.

Hadley Beeman: Makx, we were wondering if you would be willing to lead the Data Quality work.

15:51:09 <PhilA> ... (you'll say yes if Deirdre asks you)

Phil Archer: ... (you'll say yes if Deirdre asks you)

15:51:25 <HadleyBeeman> Next steps seem to be exploring the rest of the requirements.

Hadley Beeman: Next steps seem to be exploring the rest of the requirements.

15:51:32 <HadleyBeeman> You'd be ideal for that, we think. :)

Hadley Beeman: You'd be ideal for that, we think. :)

15:51:43 <PhilA> -> https://www.force11.org/datacitation Force11 Data Citation principles

Phil Archer: -> https://www.force11.org/datacitation Force11 Data Citation principles

15:52:02 <PhilA> ^^ useful and very relevant to data Usage Voc

Phil Archer: ^^ useful and very relevant to data Usage Voc

15:52:28 <MakxDekkers> so please not for the moment

Makx Dekkers: so please not for the moment

15:52:32 <gatemezi_> There is also this nice SoA on Quality Assessment Methodologies for Linked Data at http://www.semantic-web-journal.net/system/files/swj414.pdf

Ghislain Atemezing: There is also this nice SoA on Quality Assessment Methodologies for Linked Data at http://www.semantic-web-journal.net/system/files/swj414.pdf

15:52:59 <MakxDekkers> I am happy to help but not lead for lack of time

Makx Dekkers: I am happy to help but not lead for lack of time

15:53:09 <HadleyBeeman> makxdekkers — ah, that's unfortunate.

Hadley Beeman: makxdekkers — ah, that's unfortunate.

15:53:15 <HadleyBeeman> Thank you for the reply though.

Hadley Beeman: Thank you for the reply though.

15:53:33 <Vagner_Br> Mark: presenting the requirements and notes: see https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhTZf3B9yQ3odGVvU3pBazFsY3pyUVppNDFSZGtyQkE&usp=sharing&richtext=true#gid=6

Mark Harrison: presenting the requirements and notes: see https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhTZf3B9yQ3odGVvU3pBazFsY3pyUVppNDFSZGtyQkE&usp=sharing&richtext=true#gid=6

15:53:59 <nathalia> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_on_the_Web_Best_Practices#Challenges

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_on_the_Web_Best_Practices#Challenges

15:54:24 <jeremy> gatemezi_: thats an earlier version.. www.semantic-web-journal.net/system/files/swj556.pdf (the latest version, but there are still major revisions going on)

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15:54:43 <gatemezi_> thanks jeremy ;)

Ghislain Atemezing: thanks jeremy ;)

15:54:49 <Vagner_Br> Mark: topics - Static/Real-time ,Tools, Privacy/security, Skills/Expertise - see collumn A, Collumn B is requirement and collumn is Notes

Mark Harrison: topics - Static/Real-time ,Tools, Privacy/security, Skills/Expertise - see collumn A, Collumn B is requirement and collumn is Notes

15:55:30 <nathalia> We can see on the wiki too: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_on_the_Web_Best_Practices#Challenges

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: We can see on the wiki too: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_on_the_Web_Best_Practices#Challenges

15:57:17 <Vagner_Br> CarlosIglesias: next steps: we should try do draft a BP doc.

Carlos Iglesias: next steps: we should try do draft a BP doc.

15:57:40 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

15:57:47 <Caroline__> +q

Caroline Burle: +q

15:58:00 <Vagner_Br> ... wiki is the platform to brainstorm on the draft

... wiki is the platform to brainstorm on the draft

15:58:23 <PhilA> I like the idea of a unique ID for each emerging BP (as well as a wiki page etc)

Phil Archer: I like the idea of a unique ID for each emerging BP (as well as a wiki page etc)

15:58:32 <Vagner_Br> ... telco no discuss the best practices themselves. Telco to create actions

... telco to not to discuss the best practices themselves. Telco to create actions

15:59:47 <PhilA> q+ to talk about implementation reporting

Phil Archer: q+ to talk about implementation reporting

15:59:49 <Vagner_Br> ... the idea is to gather real examples already in practive

... the idea is to gather real examples already in practive

16:00:02 <Vagner_Br> s/no discuss/to discuss/
16:00:31 <Vagner_Br> s/discuss the best/not to discuss the best/
16:01:06 <PhilA> +1 to keeping discussion of BPs on main list, esp as overlap is clear

Phil Archer: +1 to keeping discussion of BPs on main list, esp as overlap is clear

16:01:14 <HadleyBeeman> ack caro

Hadley Beeman: ack caro

16:04:09 <laufer_> q?

Carlos Laufer: q?

16:04:47 <HadleyBeeman> ack deirdre

Hadley Beeman: ack deirdre

16:05:09 <Vagner_Br> Caroline: we decided to not split in task forces but work together.

Caroline Burle: we decided to not split in task forces but work together.

16:06:23 <Vagner_Br> Deirdrelee: Should we have a look at all groups requirements defintions?

Deirdre Lee: Should we have a look at all groups requirements defintions?

16:07:16 <Vagner_Br> ... we will set a list of requirements andn BP group will use it

... we will set a list of requirements and BP group will use it

16:07:20 <HadleyBeeman> q?

Hadley Beeman: q?

16:07:23 <PhilA> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

16:07:24 <Zakim> PhilA, you wanted to talk about implementation reporting

Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, you wanted to talk about implementation reporting

16:07:25 <Vagner_Br> s/andn/and/
16:08:17 <Vagner_Br> PhilA: The UC first draft will evolve.

Phil Archer: The UC first draft will evolve.

16:08:54 <HadleyBeeman> example of implementation report for candidate recommendation stage: https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_Implementations

Hadley Beeman: example of implementation report for candidate recommendation stage: https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_Implementations

16:09:18 <Vagner_Br> ... PhilA suggesting to build a table for implementation

... PhilA suggesting to build a table for implementation

16:09:54 <Vagner_Br> ... PhilA advertising PSI workshop

... PhilA advertising PSI workshop

16:10:15 <Ig_Bittencourt>  http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/

16:10:30 <markharrison_> http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/

Mark Harrison: http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/

16:11:03 <Vagner_Br> ... PhilA: this workshop will provide input to this group

... PhilA: this workshop will provide input to this group

16:13:50 <Vagner_Br> Carlos to provide inputs for group brainstorming

Carlos to provide inputs for group brainstorming

16:14:33 <PhilA> action to prepare skeleton best practice wiki pages for each emerging best practice, including its ID

Phil Archer: action to prepare skeleton best practice wiki pages for each emerging best practice, including its ID

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16:14:47 <PhilA> action carlos iglesias to prepare skeleton best practice wiki pages for each emerging best practice, including its ID

Phil Archer: action carlos iglesias to prepare skeleton best practice wiki pages for each emerging best practice, including its ID

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16:14:54 <PhilA> action carlosiglesias to prepare skeleton best practice wiki pages for each emerging best practice, including its ID

Phil Archer: action carlosiglesias to prepare skeleton best practice wiki pages for each emerging best practice, including its ID

16:14:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-25 - Prepare skeleton best practice wiki pages for each emerging best practice, including its id [on Carlos Iglesias - due 2014-04-08].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-25 - Prepare skeleton best practice wiki pages for each emerging best practice, including its id [on Carlos Iglesias - due 2014-04-08].

16:15:00 <Vagner_Br> Hadley: is thee a need of BP wiki page separatedly?

Hadley Beeman: is there a need of BP wiki page separatedly?

16:15:03 <HadleyBeeman> q?

Hadley Beeman: q?

16:15:29 <Caroline__> s/thee/there
16:17:06 <PhilA> rrsagent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: rrsagent, draft minutes

16:17:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/01-dwbp-minutes.html PhilA

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/01-dwbp-minutes.html PhilA

16:17:26 <Vagner_Br> Hadley: DWBP call on this Friday is confirmed

Hadley Beeman: DWBP call on this Friday is confirmed

16:19:58 <MakxDekkers> thanks for great meeting, and to deirdre for remote connection options, talk to you again on Friday, bye now

Makx Dekkers: thanks for great meeting, and to deirdre for remote connection options, talk to you again on Friday, bye now

16:24:08 <gatemezi_> Thanks all! See you on Friday then..

Ghislain Atemezing: Thanks all! See you on Friday then..

16:26:03 <ericstephan_> Safe travels everyone!  Its been fun.  See you Friday.

Eric Stephan: Safe travels everyone! Its been fun. See you Friday.

16:26:19 <laufer_> bye eric

Carlos Laufer: bye eric

16:26:21 <newton> Thank Eric

Newton Calegari: Thank Eric

16:26:24 <nathalia> bye

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: bye

16:26:25 <newton> Bye

Newton Calegari: Bye

16:26:30 <nathalia> see you friday

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: see you friday

16:26:46 <nathalia> good travel back to Brasil

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: good travel back to Brasil

16:27:17 <PhilA> RRSAgent, generate minutes

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, generate minutes

16:27:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/01-dwbp-minutes.html PhilA

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/01-dwbp-minutes.html PhilA

16:27:18 <laufer_> bye all

Carlos Laufer: bye all

16:27:35 <laufer_> -laufer

Carlos Laufer: -laufer



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