<trackbot> Date: 24 October 2013

<nigel> Thanks, that was easy!

<scribe> scribenick: glenn

close agendum

Issues discussed over the last week

issue-259?

<trackbot> issue-259 -- Define "closest" -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/259

<pal> https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/216

pal: found there was some different text between 1SE and 2

glenn: this was probably a error on my part, as my intension was that both be made identical
... if we need to change language, then will need to add errata for SE as well as change 2

reopen issue-259 pending changes to note

reopen issue-259

<trackbot> Re-opened issue-259.

issue-259: address new input from pal

<trackbot> Notes added to issue-259 Define "closest".

nigel: asks plh if EBU liaison was received

plh: looking for it

<plh> plh: nope, nopt found

nigel: has raised four new issues related to input from EBU
... see issues 285 through 288

plh: didn't receive liaison from EBU, also not in other internal mail

nigel: will check with EBU

plh: make sure that this input can be given to WG, i.e., is not a confidential communique to W3M/T or W3 Member Confidential
... i.e., must be able to forward to public WG ML

previous agendum

action-217?

<trackbot> action-217 -- Nigel Megitt to Create issue for deterministic rendering and attach link to tpac agenda -- due 2013-10-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/217

close agenda-217

close action-217

<trackbot> Closed action-217.

action-218?

<trackbot> action-218 -- Thierry Michel to Reserve zakim for the two days -- due 2013-10-17 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/218

close action-218?

<trackbot> Closed action-218.

action-223?

<trackbot> action-223 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Find iana tracking number for resubmit of mime type registration -- due 2013-10-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/223

<plh> https://tools.iana.org/public-view/viewticket/711352

plh: will ping IANA
... we can keep action-223 open as reminder to ping IANA

<nigel> sorry my line just dropped

<plh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Oct/0042.html

plh: there is new draft of charter
... thanks for feedback from members
... will have chance to discuss further at tpac

nigel: suggests folks review and be ready to discuss at TPAC

action-212?

<trackbot> action-212 -- Sean Hayes to Contact dave singer to obtain agenda input -- due 2013-10-10 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/212

close action-212

<trackbot> Closed action-212.

action-213?

<trackbot> action-213 -- Thierry Michel to Create product entry for "imsc" in tracker db -- due 2013-10-10 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/213

close action-213

<trackbot> Closed action-213.

<plh> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/7

action-218?

<trackbot> action-218 -- Thierry Michel to Reserve zakim for the two days -- due 2013-10-17 -- CLOSED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/218

close action-218

<trackbot> Closed action-218.

action-216?

<trackbot> action-216 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Review implementation of issue-259 so we can close or refine -- due 2013-10-10 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/216

close action-216

<trackbot> Closed action-216.

action-202?

<trackbot> action-202 -- Glenn Adams to Send final url for se publishing to ml -- due 2013-09-26 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/202

close action-212

<trackbot> Closed action-212.

close action-202

<trackbot> Closed action-202.

issue-284?

<trackbot> issue-284 -- value of lineHeight -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/284

pal: notes mike isn't on call

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Oct/0473.html

glenn: raised issue on css ML about line-height normal interpretation

http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/visudet.html#propdef-line-height

text in question: When an element contains text that is rendered in more than one font, user agents may determine the 'normal' 'line-height' value according to the largest font size.

example: <p> Text1 <span>X</span> Text2 <span>Y</span> Text3 </p>

nigel: suggests that these comments be placed into the issue

andreas: this may be a separate issue from 284
... notes that line height of 120 vs 125% is a different issue
... suggests that a new issue be opened

glenn: agrees

<nigel> sorry lost connection again

<nigel> apologies this is rather unfortunate timing! Trying to reconnect...

sean: plan is to set up four priority groups P1 - P4
... P1 has highest priority

<nigel> http://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/tpac

ISSUE-10?

<trackbot> ISSUE-10 -- Allowing pointers to pre-rendered audio forms of elements -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/10

nigel: P2

sean: P3

ISSUE-21?

<trackbot> ISSUE-21 -- window anchor points not supported? -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/21

mijordan: important for us in U.S. (FCC) context

pal: P4 if no owner (advocate)

sean: would advocate, but won't be present at TPAC
... just something is high priority doesn't mean it will progress (if no one steps up to do work)
... now we are just trying to prioritize the issue in its own terms

nigel: could TTML2 go forward without this?

sean: yes

mijordan: VTT is dealing with this, so thinks it should be addressed in TTML2

nigel: use P2

ISSUE-22?

<trackbot> ISSUE-22 -- window fade in/out not supported? -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/22

sean: P3 or below

nigel: P3

pal: can be owner/advocate of issues 21 and 22

plh: if PLH is owner, the issue won't move forward

pal: if we changed RAISED BY, then note who originally raised in note

ISSUE-24?

<trackbot> ISSUE-24 -- subscript and superscript support -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/24

pal: included in SMPTE liaison
... P1 (request from SMPTE liaison)
... related to ISSUE-233

sean: suggests resolving one or the other as duplicate

glenn: notes that general convention is to keep oldest one open

pal: ok, we can close 233 as dup of 24

ISSUE-25?

<trackbot> ISSUE-25 -- role parameters support -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/25

sean: might need a parameter for certain roles to adequately map 708 usage

nigel: P4

pal: suggests that items P4 be closed

glenn: suggests to wait until after TPAC to close

ISSUE-72?

<trackbot> ISSUE-72 -- Smooth scrolling by means of reference area offset -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/72

sean: to achieve smooth scrolling, you need a feature to hang animation off of
... i.e., may require a new or different style property to animate
... P2 or perhaps P1

<scribe> ACTION: pal to query mike on priority for issue-72 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/24-tt-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-224 - Query mike on priority for issue-72 [on Pierre-Anthony Lemieux - due 2013-10-31].

ISSUE-158?

<trackbot> ISSUE-158 -- background images -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/158

pal: P1 (can own/advocate)

sean: in SMPTE liaison
... e.g., may need for pre-rendered text (as image raster)

nigel: may be related to ISSUE-287

ISSUE-161?

<trackbot> ISSUE-161 -- Is a new #metadata-foreign feature needed? -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/161

pal, sean: P4

glenn: possible use cases (1) require support for transformation of foreign metadata; (2) prohibit use in content profile

andreas: can take ownership

ISSUE-162?

<trackbot> ISSUE-162 -- update standalone profile documents -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/162

<scribe> ACTION: glenn work with plh to update standalone profile docs for TTML1SE [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/24-tt-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-225 - Work with plh to update standalone profile docs for ttml1se [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-10-31].

nigel: P2, ownership to glenn

plh: notes that andreas isn't listed as user in tracking system

nigel: update priority of ISSUE-161 to P3

ISSUE-167?

<trackbot> ISSUE-167 -- allowing attributes that have no semantics on specific elements -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/167

pal: make mike the owner

nigel: P2

ISSUE-176?

<trackbot> ISSUE-176 -- Adding support for extent and origin attributes on block elements -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/176

nigel: P1, owner glenn

ISSUE-179?

<trackbot> ISSUE-179 -- Interpreting the pixel measure -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/179

pal: may be related to ISSUE-201
... P1, owner pal
... ditto on ISSUE-201

ISSUE-188?

<trackbot> ISSUE-188 -- Bounding TTML (was: SDP-US) rendering complexity -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/188

pal: included in IMSC

nigel: P2, owner pal
... may be P2 on TTML2, but P1 on IMSC

ISSUE-205?

<trackbot> ISSUE-205 -- TTML probably shouldn't have adopted xml:id instead of id. -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/205

glenn: P3, glenn as owner

ISSUE-206>

<trackbot> ISSUE-206 -- Add ttp:profileCombination parameter -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/206

<pal> ISSUE-276: ttp:version vs ttp:profile vs ttp:contentProfile

<pal> ISSUE-280: Add ability to define a profile from multiple profiles.

<pal> ISSUE-266: add ability for instance documents to declare what profile(s) it conforms to

<pal> ISSUE-263: profile feature set may not match intended feature constraints

<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-276 ttp:version vs ttp:profile vs ttp:contentProfile.

<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-280 Add ability to define a profile from multiple profiles..

<pal> ISSUE-261: signaling docoument profile conformance is separate from decoder presentation requirements

<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-266 add ability for instance documents to declare what profile(s) it conforms to.

<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-263 profile feature set may not match intended feature constraints.

<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-261 signaling docoument profile conformance is separate from decoder presentation requirements.

<pal> ISSUE-206: Add ttp:profileCombination parameter

<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-206 Add ttp:profileCombination parameter.

pal: all of the above issues related to profiles, and should be P1

<plh> 206, 261, 263, 266

<plh> 276

glenn: can drive these profile related issues

pal: P1 for 206, 261, 263, 266, 276
... also P1 for 280

ISSUE-207?

<trackbot> ISSUE-207 -- Consider adding a way to specify a specific, initial value for tts:color. -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/207

glenn: P2, owner glenn

ISSUE-210?

<trackbot> ISSUE-210 -- The values for alpha in rgba() don't correspond to CSS3 Color definitions -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/210

glenn: P2, glenn as owner

ISSUE-213?

<trackbot> ISSUE-213 -- Advance notice of deprecation for textOutline -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/213

pal: P1, owner pal

ISSUE-224?

<trackbot> ISSUE-224 -- Support text placement in 3D coordinate spaces (not zIndex compositing). -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/224

pal: P1, owner pal

ISSUE-225?

<trackbot> ISSUE-225 -- tts:fontSize as percentage of container dimensions -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/225

nigel: P1, owner pal

glenn: notes that use of vw/vh is proposed for this

ISSUE-228?

<trackbot> ISSUE-228 -- Ruby text support -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/228

sean: P2 owner pal for ISSUE-228 through 259

ISSUE-273?

<trackbot> ISSUE-273 -- Map fontFamily to external font file resources -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/273

pal: P2, owner pal

<pal> have a nice PM/AM

ISSUE-265?

<trackbot> ISSUE-265 -- Some bad tests -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/265

nigel: going to need an owner for tests
... tentatively assign to nigel

ISSUE-270?

<trackbot> ISSUE-270 -- Appendix N assumption that root temporal extent corresponds with the beginning of a related media object -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/270

nigel: P1, nigel owner

ISSUE-277?

<trackbot> ISSUE-277 -- Adding style inheritance for regions. -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/277

glenn: P2, owner glenn

ISSUE-278?

<trackbot> ISSUE-278 -- Tightening schema support for foreign vocabulary. -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/278

glenn: P3, owner glenn

ISSUE-281?

<trackbot> ISSUE-281 -- Non-inherited style initialization needs specification prose. -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/281

nigel: P1, owner glenn

ISSUE-282?

<trackbot> ISSUE-282 -- Need to add missing named character entities. -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/282

glenn: P1, owner glenn

ISSUE-283?

<trackbot> ISSUE-283 -- Deterministic text wrapping and presentation -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/283

nigel: P1, owner nigel

ISSUE-284?

<trackbot> ISSUE-284 -- value of lineHeight -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/284

nigel: P1, owner mike

ISSUE-285?

<trackbot> ISSUE-285 -- Align rendered rows within a region to each other, and the set to the region -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/285

nigel: EBU request

andreas: P1, owner andreas

ISSUE-286?

<trackbot> ISSUE-286 -- Extend the background area behind rendered text to improve readability -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/286

glenn: suggests providing images to demo 285 and 286
... can also send image to ML then reference ML item from issue

nigel: P1, owner nigel

ISSUE-287?

<trackbot> ISSUE-287 -- Generic ability to tunnel BASE64 encoded binary files for legacy support -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/287

nigel: P1, owner nigel

ISSUE-288?

<trackbot> ISSUE-288 -- Rules for splitting and accumulating documents -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/288

nigel: P1, owner nigel

plh: nothing more to add at this time

sean: notes that next week's meeting may be subject to time zone change in Europe

nigel: propose to do same chairing next week (nigel/sean)
... propose to drop 11/07 call

trackbot, end meeting

<nigel> bye

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