13:41:41 RRSAgent has joined #tt 13:41:41 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/10/24-tt-irc 13:41:43 RRSAgent, make logs public 13:41:43 Zakim has joined #tt 13:41:45 Zakim, this will be TTML 13:41:45 ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 19 minutes 13:41:46 Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference 13:41:46 Date: 24 October 2013 13:41:55 Thanks, that was easy! 13:47:05 zakim, agenda? 13:47:05 I see nothing on the agenda 13:47:26 agenda+ Assign Scribe 13:47:35 agenda+ Issues discussed over the last week 13:47:44 agenda+ Pending Review Issues 13:47:50 agenda+ Open Actions 13:48:28 agenda+ Issues Prioritisation and Ownership for TTML2 13:48:40 agenda+ Charter discussion 13:48:45 agenda+ AOB 13:48:49 agenda? 13:59:22 SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has now started 13:59:27 +glenn 13:59:35 +??P9 13:59:44 plh has joined #tt 13:59:45 zakim, ??P9 is me 13:59:45 +nigel; got it 13:59:56 +Plh 14:00:06 +[Adobe] 14:00:34 mijordan has joined #tt 14:01:02 Zakim, mijordan is Adobe 14:01:02 sorry, mijordan, I do not recognize a party named 'mijordan' 14:01:18 Zakim, Adobe is mijordan 14:01:18 +mijordan; got it 14:01:45 Sean has joined #tt 14:02:18 +pal 14:02:23 pal has joined #tt 14:02:40 +Sean 14:03:32 next agendum 14:03:42 scribenick: glenn 14:03:45 chair: nigel 14:03:55 next agendum 14:04:03 close agendum 14:04:10 next agendum 14:04:21 zakim, you are stubborn 14:04:21 I don't understand 'you are stubborn', glenn 14:04:29 next agendum 14:05:01 zakim, close agendum 1 14:05:01 agendum 1, Assign Scribe, closed 14:05:02 I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 14:05:02 2. Issues discussed over the last week [from nigel] 14:05:05 zakim, move to next agendum 14:05:05 agendum 2. "Issues discussed over the last week" taken up [from nigel] 14:05:31 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Oct/0047.html 14:05:37 regrets: mike 14:06:00 issue-259? 14:06:00 issue-259 -- Define "closest" -- pending review 14:06:00 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/259 14:08:02 https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/216 14:09:30 pal: found there was some different text between 1SE and 2 14:10:04 glenn: this was probably a error on my part, as my intension was that both be made identical 14:11:08 glenn: if we need to change language, then will need to add errata for SE as well as change 2 14:12:50 reopen issue-259 pending changes to note 14:13:02 reopen issue-259 14:13:03 Re-opened issue-259. 14:13:20 issue-259: address new input from pal 14:13:20 Notes added to issue-259 Define "closest". 14:14:50 nigel: asks plh if EBU liaison was received 14:15:01 plh: looking for it 14:15:59 plh: nope, nopt found 14:16:08 nigel: has raised four new issues related to input from EBU 14:16:20 ... see issues 285 through 288 14:17:22 next agendum 14:18:20 plh: didn't receive liaison from EBU, also not in other internal mail 14:18:29 nigel: will check with EBU 14:19:49 plh: make sure that this input can be given to WG, i.e., is not a confidential communique to W3M/T or W3 Member Confidential 14:20:23 ... i.e., must be able to forward to public WG ML 14:20:37 next agendum 14:20:55 previous agendum 14:21:12 action-217? 14:21:12 action-217 -- Nigel Megitt to Create issue for deterministic rendering and attach link to tpac agenda -- due 2013-10-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:21:12 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/217 14:21:19 close agenda-217 14:21:28 close action-217 14:21:28 Closed action-217. 14:21:34 agenda-218? 14:21:44 action-218? 14:21:44 action-218 -- Thierry Michel to Reserve zakim for the two days -- due 2013-10-17 -- OPEN 14:21:44 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/218 14:21:57 close action-218? 14:21:57 Closed action-218. 14:22:10 action-223? 14:22:10 action-223 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Find iana tracking number for resubmit of mime type registration -- due 2013-10-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:22:10 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/223 14:22:28 https://tools.iana.org/public-view/viewticket/711352 14:22:52 plh: will ping IANA 14:23:39 plh: we can keep action-223 open as reminder to ping IANA 14:23:45 sorry my line just dropped 14:24:06 +??P1 14:24:16 zakim, ??P1 is me 14:24:16 +nigel; got it 14:24:46 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Oct/0042.html 14:24:47 plh: there is new draft of charter 14:25:02 ... thanks for feedback from members 14:25:14 ... will have chance to discuss further at tpac 14:25:41 nigel: suggests folks review and be ready to discuss at TPAC 14:25:57 action-212? 14:25:57 action-212 -- Sean Hayes to Contact dave singer to obtain agenda input -- due 2013-10-10 -- OPEN 14:25:57 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/212 14:26:04 close action-212 14:26:04 Closed action-212. 14:27:04 action-213? 14:27:04 action-213 -- Thierry Michel to Create product entry for "imsc" in tracker db -- due 2013-10-10 -- OPEN 14:27:04 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/213 14:27:31 close action-213 14:27:31 Closed action-213. 14:27:33 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/7 14:27:45 action-218? 14:27:45 action-218 -- Thierry Michel to Reserve zakim for the two days -- due 2013-10-17 -- CLOSED 14:27:45 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/218 14:27:58 close action-218 14:27:58 Closed action-218. 14:28:16 andreas has joined #tt 14:28:33 action-216? 14:28:33 action-216 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Review implementation of issue-259 so we can close or refine -- due 2013-10-10 -- OPEN 14:28:33 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/216 14:28:44 close action-216 14:28:44 Closed action-216. 14:29:15 +Andreas 14:29:30 action-202? 14:29:30 action-202 -- Glenn Adams to Send final url for se publishing to ml -- due 2013-09-26 -- OPEN 14:29:30 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/202 14:29:48 close action-212 14:29:48 Closed action-212. 14:30:09 close action-202 14:30:09 Closed action-202. 14:30:37 agenda? 14:31:07 issue-284? 14:31:08 issue-284 -- value of lineHeight -- raised 14:31:08 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/284 14:32:20 pal: notes mike isn't on call 14:33:28 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Oct/0473.html 14:35:13 glenn: raised issue on css ML about line-height normal interpretation 14:35:14 http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/visudet.html#propdef-line-height 14:35:39 text in question: When an element contains text that is rendered in more than one font, user agents may determine the 'normal' 'line-height' value according to the largest font size. 14:38:06 example:

Text1 X Text2 Y Text3

14:40:17 +??P3 14:40:35 zakim, ??P3 is me 14:40:35 +nigel; got it 14:41:50 nigel: suggests that these comments be placed into the issue 14:48:27 andreas: this may be a separate issue from 284 14:48:53 ... notes that line height of 120 vs 125% is a different issue 14:49:02 ... suggests that a new issue be opened 14:49:19 glenn: agrees 14:49:43 sorry lost connection again 14:49:50 agenda? 14:50:43 apologies this is rather unfortunate timing! Trying to reconnect... 14:51:07 next agendum 14:51:22 +??P2 14:51:22 sean: plan is to set up four priority groups P1 - P4 14:51:30 zakim, ??P2 is me 14:51:30 +nigel; got it 14:51:45 ... P1 has highest priority 14:53:14 http://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/tpac 14:55:58 ISSUE-10? 14:55:58 ISSUE-10 -- Allowing pointers to pre-rendered audio forms of elements -- open 14:55:58 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/10 14:56:31 nigel: P2 14:56:38 sean: P3 14:57:02 ISSUE-21? 14:57:02 ISSUE-21 -- window anchor points not supported? -- open 14:57:02 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/21 14:58:08 mijordan: important for us in U.S. (FCC) context 14:59:00 pal: P4 if no owner (advocate) 14:59:14 sean: would advocate, but won't be present at TPAC 14:59:45 sean: just something is high priority doesn't mean it will progress (if no one steps up to do work) 14:59:58 ... now we are just trying to prioritize the issue in its own terms 15:00:23 nigel: could TTML2 go forward without this? 15:00:27 sean: yes 15:00:42 mijordan: VTT is dealing with this, so thinks it should be addressed in TTML2 15:00:52 nigel: use P2 15:00:55 ISSUE-22? 15:00:55 ISSUE-22 -- window fade in/out not supported? -- open 15:00:55 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/22 15:02:01 sean: P3 or below 15:02:06 nigel: P3 15:03:37 pal: can be owner/advocate of issues 21 and 22 15:04:07 plh: if PLH is owner, the issue won't move forward 15:05:10 pal: if we changed RAISED BY, then note who originally raised in note 15:05:23 ISSUE-24? 15:05:23 ISSUE-24 -- subscript and superscript support -- open 15:05:23 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/24 15:05:33 pal: included in SMPTE liaison 15:05:45 pal: P1 (request from SMPTE liaison) 15:06:11 pal: related to ISSUE-233 15:06:36 sean: suggests resolving one or the other as duplicate 15:07:26 glenn: notes that general convention is to keep oldest one open 15:07:39 pal: ok, we can close 233 as dup of 24 15:07:43 ISSUE-25? 15:07:43 ISSUE-25 -- role parameters support -- open 15:07:43 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/25 15:08:31 sean: might need a parameter for certain roles to adequately map 708 usage 15:09:00 nigel: P4 15:09:30 pal: suggests that items P4 be closed 15:09:41 glenn: suggests to wait until after TPAC to close 15:09:45 ISSUE-72? 15:09:45 ISSUE-72 -- Smooth scrolling by means of reference area offset -- open 15:09:45 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/72 15:10:38 sean: to achieve smooth scrolling, you need a feature to hang animation off of 15:11:07 ... i.e., may require a new or different style property to animate 15:11:20 sean: P2 or perhaps P1 15:11:42 action: pal to query mike on priority for issue-72 15:11:42 Created ACTION-224 - Query mike on priority for issue-72 [on Pierre-Anthony Lemieux - due 2013-10-31]. 15:13:15 ISSUE-158? 15:13:15 ISSUE-158 -- background images -- open 15:13:15 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/158 15:13:41 pal: P1 (can own/advocate) 15:13:49 sean: in SMPTE liaison 15:14:27 sean: e.g., may need for pre-rendered text (as image raster) 15:16:07 nigel: may be related to ISSUE-287 15:16:15 ISSUE-161? 15:16:15 ISSUE-161 -- Is a new #metadata-foreign feature needed? -- open 15:16:15 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/161 15:16:20 pal, sean: P4 15:18:29 glenn: possible use cases (1) require support for transformation of foreign metadata; (2) prohibit use in content profile 15:18:38 andreas: can take ownership 15:18:54 ISSUE-162? 15:18:54 ISSUE-162 -- update standalone profile documents -- open 15:18:54 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/162 15:19:30 action: glenn work with plh to update standalone profile docs for TTML1SE 15:19:30 Created ACTION-225 - Work with plh to update standalone profile docs for ttml1se [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-10-31]. 15:20:01 nigel: P2, ownership to glenn 15:20:23 plh: notes that andreas isn't listed as user in tracking system 15:20:47 nigel: update priority of ISSUE-161 to P3 15:21:04 ISSUE-167? 15:21:04 ISSUE-167 -- allowing attributes that have no semantics on specific elements -- open 15:21:04 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/167 15:24:12 pal: make mike the owner 15:24:25 nigel: P2 15:24:52 ISSUE-176? 15:24:52 ISSUE-176 -- Adding support for extent and origin attributes on block elements -- open 15:24:52 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/176 15:26:09 nigel: P1, owner glenn 15:26:37 ISSUE-179? 15:26:37 ISSUE-179 -- Interpreting the pixel measure -- open 15:26:37 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/179 15:27:36 pal: may be related to ISSUE-201 15:27:45 pal: P1, owner pal 15:28:05 pal: ditto on ISSUE-201 15:28:33 ISSUE-188? 15:28:33 ISSUE-188 -- Bounding TTML (was: SDP-US) rendering complexity -- open 15:28:33 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/188 15:29:09 pal: included in IMSC 15:29:25 nigel: P2, owner pal 15:29:52 nigel: may be P2 on TTML2, but P1 on IMSC 15:30:05 ISSUE-205? 15:30:05 ISSUE-205 -- TTML probably shouldn't have adopted xml:id instead of id. -- open 15:30:05 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/205 15:30:34 glenn: P3, glenn as owner 15:30:44 ISSUE-206> 15:30:44 ISSUE-206 -- Add ttp:profileCombination parameter -- open 15:30:44 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/206 15:31:03 ISSUE-276: ttp:version vs ttp:profile vs ttp:contentProfile 15:31:03 ISSUE-280: Add ability to define a profile from multiple profiles. 15:31:03 ISSUE-266: add ability for instance documents to declare what profile(s) it conforms to 15:31:03 ISSUE-263: profile feature set may not match intended feature constraints 15:31:03 Notes added to ISSUE-276 ttp:version vs ttp:profile vs ttp:contentProfile. 15:31:03 Notes added to ISSUE-280 Add ability to define a profile from multiple profiles.. 15:31:04 ISSUE-261: signaling docoument profile conformance is separate from decoder presentation requirements 15:31:04 Notes added to ISSUE-266 add ability for instance documents to declare what profile(s) it conforms to. 15:31:04 Notes added to ISSUE-263 profile feature set may not match intended feature constraints. 15:31:04 Notes added to ISSUE-261 signaling docoument profile conformance is separate from decoder presentation requirements. 15:31:04 ISSUE-206: Add ttp:profileCombination parameter 15:31:05 Notes added to ISSUE-206 Add ttp:profileCombination parameter. 15:31:32 pal: all of the above issues related to profiles, and should be P1 15:31:37 206, 261, 263, 266 15:31:42 276 15:32:01 glenn: can drive these profile related issues 15:32:21 pal: P1 for 206, 261, 263, 266, 276 15:32:50 pal: also P1 for 280 15:33:17 ISSUE-207? 15:33:17 ISSUE-207 -- Consider adding a way to specify a specific, initial value for tts:color. -- open 15:33:17 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/207 15:33:45 glenn: P2, owner glenn 15:34:01 ISSUE-210? 15:34:01 ISSUE-210 -- The values for alpha in rgba() don't correspond to CSS3 Color definitions -- open 15:34:01 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/210 15:34:12 glenn: P2, glenn as owner 15:34:41 ISSUE-213? 15:34:41 ISSUE-213 -- Advance notice of deprecation for textOutline -- open 15:34:41 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/213 15:36:30 pal: P1, owner pal 15:37:24 ISSUE-224? 15:37:24 ISSUE-224 -- Support text placement in 3D coordinate spaces (not zIndex compositing). -- open 15:37:24 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/224 15:37:31 pal: P1, owner pal 15:39:05 ISSUE-225? 15:39:05 ISSUE-225 -- tts:fontSize as percentage of container dimensions -- open 15:39:05 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/225 15:40:04 nigel: P1, owner pal 15:40:14 glenn: notes that use of vw/vh is proposed for this 15:40:26 ISSUE-228? 15:40:26 ISSUE-228 -- Ruby text support -- open 15:40:26 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/228 15:41:24 sean: P2 owner pal for ISSUE-228 through 250 15:41:48 s/250/259/ 15:43:40 ISSUE-273? 15:43:40 ISSUE-273 -- Map fontFamily to external font file resources -- open 15:43:40 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/273 15:43:46 pal: P2, owner pal 15:43:59 have a nice PM/AM 15:45:12 ISSUE-265? 15:45:12 ISSUE-265 -- Some bad tests -- open 15:45:12 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/265 15:45:31 nigel: going to need an owner for tests 15:45:53 nigel: tentatively assign to nigel 15:46:04 ISSUE-270? 15:46:04 ISSUE-270 -- Appendix N assumption that root temporal extent corresponds with the beginning of a related media object -- open 15:46:04 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/270 15:46:25 nigel: P1, nigel owner 15:46:44 -pal 15:46:54 ISSUE-277? 15:46:54 ISSUE-277 -- Adding style inheritance for regions. -- open 15:46:54 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/277 15:47:01 glenn: P2, owner glenn 15:48:21 ISSUE-278? 15:48:21 ISSUE-278 -- Tightening schema support for foreign vocabulary. -- open 15:48:21 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/278 15:48:26 glenn: P3, owner glenn 15:48:40 ISSUE-281? 15:48:40 ISSUE-281 -- Non-inherited style initialization needs specification prose. -- open 15:48:40 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/281 15:49:11 nigel: P1, owner glenn 15:49:15 ISSUE-282? 15:49:16 ISSUE-282 -- Need to add missing named character entities. -- open 15:49:16 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/282 15:49:20 glenn: P1, owner glenn 15:49:32 ISSUE-283? 15:49:32 ISSUE-283 -- Deterministic text wrapping and presentation -- open 15:49:32 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/283 15:49:48 nigel: P1, owner nigel 15:50:01 ISSUE-284? 15:50:01 ISSUE-284 -- value of lineHeight -- open 15:50:01 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/284 15:50:18 nigel: P1, owner mike 15:50:29 ISSUE-285? 15:50:29 ISSUE-285 -- Align rendered rows within a region to each other, and the set to the region -- open 15:50:29 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/285 15:50:39 nigel: EBU request 15:51:24 andreas: P1, owner andreas 15:51:51 ISSUE-286? 15:51:51 ISSUE-286 -- Extend the background area behind rendered text to improve readability -- open 15:51:51 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/286 15:53:00 glenn: suggests providing images to demo 285 and 286 15:53:35 glenn: can also send image to ML then reference ML item from issue 15:54:33 nigel: P1, owner nigel 15:54:38 ISSUE-287? 15:54:38 ISSUE-287 -- Generic ability to tunnel BASE64 encoded binary files for legacy support -- open 15:54:38 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/287 15:54:42 nigel: P1, owner nigel 15:54:46 ISSUE-288? 15:54:46 ISSUE-288 -- Rules for splitting and accumulating documents -- open 15:54:46 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/288 15:54:50 nigel: P1, owner nigel 15:55:24 agenda? 15:55:29 next agendum 15:55:41 plh: nothing more to add at this time 15:55:44 next agendum 15:56:31 sean: notes that next week's meeting may be subject to time zone change in Europe 15:56:36 next agendum 15:57:19 nigel: propose to do same chairing next week (nigel/sean) 15:58:08 nigel: propose to drop 11/07 call 15:58:28 -Andreas 15:58:30 -mijordan 15:58:32 -Plh 15:58:33 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:58:33 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/24-tt-minutes.html glenn 15:58:39 -Sean 16:00:37 zakim, who's on the phone? 16:00:37 On the phone I see glenn, nigel, nigel.a, nigel.aa, nigel.aaa 16:04:02 -nigel.aaa 16:04:10 trackbot, end meeting 16:04:10 Zakim, list attendees 16:04:11 bye 16:04:11 As of this point the attendees have been glenn, nigel, Plh, mijordan, pal, Sean, Andreas 16:04:18 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 16:04:18 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/24-tt-minutes.html trackbot 16:04:19 RRSAgent, bye 16:04:19 I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/24-tt-actions.rdf : 16:04:19 ACTION: pal to query mike on priority for issue-72 [1] 16:04:19 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/24-tt-irc#T15-11-42 16:04:19 ACTION: glenn work with plh to update standalone profile docs for TTML1SE [2] 16:04:19 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/24-tt-irc#T15-19-30