W3C

Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

18 Jul 2013

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Richard, aphillip, JcK, DavidClarke, matial, Norbert
Regrets
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Addison Phillips

Contents


Action Items

close ACTION-215

<trackbot> Closed ACTION-215 Double-check that all .prep items are gone to html5.

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

close ACTION-234

<trackbot> Closed ACTION-234 Ping Mark Davis asking if Google can get statistics on <bdo> usage.

close ACTION-236

<trackbot> Closed ACTION-236 Trackerize Shapes and write to www-style to ask about rtlflip and writing-modes.

Info Share

addison: on vacation next two teleconferences

richard: rewriting tests
... which will someday be a Good Thing
... submitted first set to HTML test repo
... got lots of comments back
... so had to rewrite i18n test framework
... been implementing
... tests will all say the same thing
... but the script behind them will look different

RADAR

http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar

http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-css-fonts-3-20130711/

shepherd needed

addison to shepherd

https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webcomponents/raw-file/tip/spec/templates/index.html

that's a last call closing on 23 July

norbert will take a look

Bytestring in Web IDL

Norbert: was looking at WebIDL

<Norbert> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-script-coord/2013JulSep/thread.html#msg56

Norbert: and started discussion thread at above link
... found an interface called bytestring

<Norbert> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/#idl-ByteString

Norbert: it's a weird type for capturing a string a bytes

<Norbert> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/#idl-ByteString

Norbert: and comes with default conversion to JS String
... and depends on ISO 8859-1
... can't specify other encodings
... XHR was source
... and byte mapping to chars of same value
... spreads the use of Latin-1 to new specs???
... started discussion
... can't remove from XHR (legacy reasons)
... but could remove from IDL spec
... new spec called Fetch wants to expose just bytes

JcK: every place I look at bytestring in combo with chars
... feels like deeper into a hole

<scribe> ... continued use of datatype is a Bad Thing

<scribe> ACTION: Norbert: produce one-pager summary of WebIDL Bytestring and alternatives for consideration by WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-241 - Produce one-pager summary of WebIDL Bytestring and alternatives for consideration by WG [on Norbert Lindenberg - due 2013-07-25].

CSS counter styles

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2013Jul/0016.html

(*) The document contains a reference to a list of non-normative but ready-to-use counter definitions maintained by the I18N WG. (Also useful as examples of what counter styles look like.)

http://www.w3.org/International/docs/counter-styles/

richard: mean to publish FPWD out for review
... few things recommended while I was in Japan
... need to dig out those comments

<scribe> chair: please indicate desire (or opposition) to publishing this document as FPWD

addison: +1

<r12a> +1 (of course)

<Norbert> +1

<DavidClarke> +1

Norbert: can we get rid of all the red coloring in the document?

<scribe> ACTION: richard: publish FPWD of counter-styles WG Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-242 - Publish FPWD of counter-styles WG Note [on Richard Ishida - due 2013-07-25].

addison: who wants to shepherd counter-styles (the CSS document)?

richard to shepherd

richard: will get rid of red coloring
... Tab suggested reducing length of lines
... but if wrapped it's harder to see
... the relationships

JcK: printing and other devices might not look so good

Info Share

richard: doing an article about what's going on in I18N activity
... "Around the WWW in 80 Seconds"
... tell me if there are things to mention

Charmod (and friends)

- edit session: when - PRECIS http://tools.ietf.org/wg/precis/

edit session at Unicode conference

and do an online one first

target late august

Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings (Active WG)

JcK: following it some
... moving down the path of one protocol == one set of rules
... possibly different rules (many of them for many protocols)

addison: should agree on vocabulary and definitions

<scribe> ACTION: addison: remind everyone to read PRECIS documents for discussion of charmod-norm [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-i18n-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-243 - Remind everyone to read PRECIS documents for discussion of charmod-norm [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-07-25].

<scribe> ACTION: addison: write to the PRECIS list pointing out similarity of activity and need/desire to get similar definitions/recommendations where it makes sense [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-i18n-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-244 - Write to the PRECIS list pointing out similarity of activity and need/desire to get similar definitions/recommendations where it makes sense [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-07-25].

Bidi

mati: submitted to ICU support for UBA added features
... hope that's in next release?
... bracket pairing, etc.

AOB?

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: addison: remind everyone to read PRECIS documents for discussion of charmod-norm [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: write to the PRECIS list pointing out similarity of activity and need/desire to get similar definitions/recommendations where it makes sense [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Norbert: produce one-pager summary of WebIDL Bytestring and alternatives for consideration by WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: publish FPWD of counter-styles WG Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
 
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