Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

Agenda

Action Items

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

<fsasaki> action-203 is ongoing, hope to have a call with robin next week

<fsasaki> same for action-218

close ACTION-217

<trackbot> Closed ACTION-217 Move "other documents" up and clean up the review radar.

close action-219

<trackbot> Closed ACTION-219 Replace inline bidi markup document with new spiffy version with a button and its companion explanation of UBA.

close action-220

<trackbot> Closed ACTION-220 Change TPAC reservation to Thurs/Fri.

Info Share

<John_> Hello all

John: working for Verisign, worked on IDNA
... worked on RACE and later Punycode, policy, language tables, etc.
... interest here is in IDNA policy and algorithms

JcK: tried to refer some folks to bidi docs
... what links to use?

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/blog/International/2013/04/22/4-new-articles-about-working-with-html-markup-in-arabic-hebrew-and-other-right-to-left-scripts/

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/blog/International/2013/04/29/new-article-unicode-bidirectional-algorithm-basics/

RADAR

http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar#Internationalization_Review_Radar

TPAC

Q/A Translate

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2013May/0004.html

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2013May/0001.html

http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-translate-flag

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-translate-flag

richard: make comments on general direction
... interesting question from felix

<fsasaki> still in a meeting - saw your reply mail, richard - sorry, didn't have time to look into it yet

richard: the situation is "you can say, do translate this element and don't translate this element"
... ITS by default if translate is on, you translate element contents but not attribute values
... but some attribute values contain natural language
... causes problems not just for trnaslate but for other markup like bidi or language
... how do you handle when attribute and element contents are different
... or if some require translation and some don't
... can't provide metadata about it

<fsasaki> FYI, ITS is also considering to drop its own definiton of "translate" attribute *for HTML* and just refer to the html spec - question is just which html spec ;)

richard: html currently says "if translate=yes" then translate element and all attrbutes

<fsasaki> I think "html currently says" should be "html5.0 CR doc says"

(we're actually discussing that)

<scribe> ACTION: addison: ping HTML about how to address comments on translate attribute in HTML5 CR [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-221 - Ping HTML about how to address comments on translate attribute in HTML5 CR [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-05-09].

bidi

richard: two weeks since published proposals
... on isolate
... haven't seen any comments
... ready for next phase?

addison: agree

richard: send email to html list "we have this document, please make a decision"?
... or do we write an extension spec?
... or maybe talk to robin about how to progress it

aharon: give them a document that says what needs to be done?
... don't want a futher document
... another doc not useful
... bug open on html-next
... proposal to isolate by default on items with dir and lang
... don't want lang right now
... backwards compatibility issue
... commented on the bug recently because previous stance changed because of what I found in IE

<scribe> ACTION: richard: talk to robin about HTML5 bidi proposal next steps [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-222 - Talk to robin about HTML5 bidi proposal next steps [on Richard Ishida - due 2013-05-09].

<aharon> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18490

AOB?

Norbert: ran across our charter
... noticed that encoding spec should be LC by now??
... how to start?

<scribe> ACTION: addison: follow up on status of encoding spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-i18n-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-223 - Follow up on status of encoding spec [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-05-09].

<Zakim> Najib-ma, you wanted to comment on bidi

<Najib-ma> I think the text (bidi isolate) needs some rewording…

<Najib-ma> It is written for (too much) to promote the solution A.

<Najib-ma> Some significant advantages/disadvantage are not well highlighted…

<Najib-ma> That's it

can you please send written comments so we can incorporate/address? (send to www-international@)

<Najib-ma> Sure

thanks

<r12a> please send very soon

<Najib-ma> Yep!

http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/CharmodNormProposal2013

richard: AC meeting in Tokyo in June
... speaking there
... presentation from judy (head of a12y domain)
... if there is something I should present, please suggest
... started requirements initiatives
... localization work
... GEO work
... talk about things we haven't gotten to
... CG set up for best practices in multilingual open data/semantic web

LOD CG

<r12a> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uaEJWrbnygkVyvSMAIbCxyMxr-7ro2VLiG64qjfkKDg/edit?pli=1

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/