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action-170: richard has ported document to respec
<trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-170 Coordinate with richard regarding KLReq.
action-170: and is close to
... sent to the Korean guys to fill in the Korean
... and enlisted three of the six authors
... a few questions in document
... need to know if will cover before review
... also whether to wait on korean version
... then will come to group looking for wide review
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-200 Remind folks to review ITS item in the winter 388 email for next time (4 April).
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-202 Say we're satisfied with storageSize in ITS 2.0.
richard: announced conf on
... link above
... idea is to get people from diff. languages and scripts
... raise issues in HTML5 and CSS that underlie ebooks
... and prioritize, feed to IG that is proposed
... about ebooks in w3 technology
norbert: plans to crash that party
richard: created an indic layout
... had a few people join the list
<scribe> ACTION: richard: link indic TF's home page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/11-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-204 - Link indic TF's home page [on Richard Ishida - due 2013-04-18].
richard: read longdesc
... came up with two things
... one is editorial nit
... the other is that "invalid content" can be made available
... suggests that shouldn't be let off
... because it'll become confusing
... and de facto supported and would need stuf like bidi and language and other markup
<aharon> I agree about non-url in longdesc
richard: okay to send?
norbert: first one non-WG?
norbert: second one yes
<scribe> chair: approve
<scribe> ACTION: richard: send longdesc comment to HTML-WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/11-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-205 - Send longdesc comment to HTML-WG [on Richard Ishida - due 2013-04-18].
richard: working on wiki this
... maybe discuss
... aharon gave me some text to use
... "do we still need isolate embeddings"
... aharon suggesting:
<r12a> Unfortunately, existing bidi pages contain all sorts of bidi cruft that
<r12a> > only works given the old embed semantics (and may not work in modern
<r12a> > versions of Internet Explorer). This does not mean that embed semantics
<r12a> > really are necessary. The desired outcome can still be obtained with
<r12a> > isolate semantics, usually with simpler, clearer markup. Here are a
<r12a> > couple of examples.
richard: been downplaying
problem, thinking not that large
... but solution A could break a lot of pages?
... is that not necessarily case?
... question for aharon
... if change semantics of @dir
... maybe add @isolate that is default on
... and use @isolate=no to turn off
addison: breaks existing pages?
aharon: mentioning as
... not a new idea
... html came up with it
... but in opposite direction
... add @isolate=on to turn on
... need to dispose of idea, must deal with it
... not sure about the question?
... didn't intend to worry you :-)
... IE semantics changed
... is pages depend on this, got broke in IE
... so not so worried about it
... more concerned about different idea
... old embed semantics in some applications or cases
... might be a reason to use them
... wanted to explore
... concluded that it is not true
norbert: embedding semantics were wrong all along?
aharon: no, but pages that depend
on them work better with isolate
... browsers no longer interop anyway
norbert: not a problem for anybody?
richard: two exmaples used are not affected on IE
aharon: examples no longer work
... if you load local page, it uses IE7 semantics
... if you load from web
... uses IE9 semantics
richard: some things work better
because of IE
... text made is sound like breaking huge number of pages
... maybe some but not desparately bad
aharon: this is the para about
... try to review that one
richard: includes workarounds
... <quotes page>
<r12a> Here are a couple of examples of edge cases where authors have put workarounds in place that try to make embedded text behave like isolated text. This bidi cruft only works given the old embed semantics
aharon: will reconsider para
richard: still on track for
solution A being preferred
... think it is best
... change semantics of @dir to make isolating
<Najib-ma> I'm not hot to change semantic of @dir
richard: means to reply to Najib's email
aharon: I sent a reply, need to refresh memory of that
norbert: last time mostly
... need to refresh
aharon: once spec changes, FF,
Chrome will rapidly update
... and IE is already incompatible and mostly isolates
... so this will improve interop
... for authors
... never explained and use of @dir *usage* doesn't really change
... use of LRM etc.
richard: gimme a day or so to
finish up changes
... aharon to add some text
... will send to list
... suggesting a read-over
<scribe> ACTION: richard: to announce bidi wiki to the member list for review next week with a goal of publishing for wide revew [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/11-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-206 - Announce to the member list for review next week with a goal of publishing for wide revew [on Richard Ishida - due 2013-04-18].
aharon: wanted to update on an
... bug on html5
... and human readable attributes
... like @title or @placeholder
... asked for a simple thing
... if element with @dir=auto
... that element's attributes will get direction of auto
... not from element
... and Hixie did in html-next
addison: the default direction of
... think that's a bad idea
... make WG comment to say very bad idea?
aharon: don't even understand motivation?
<scribe> ACTION: addison: comment on default direction in UA bug for WG saying "bad idea" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/11-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-207 - Comment on default direction in UA bug for WG saying "bad idea" [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-04-18].
<scribe> new item: API for Media Resources (shepherd addison)
norbert: saw comments on IME on WebApps
norbert: saw tpac discussion but
haven't seen anything since
... last change in repo was 3 april
addison: keep an eye out for FPWD
richard: should do soon...
... some things we are working on and some things hope to do later
... like to do general status update
addison: seems reasonable
... update a page with stuff in the pipeline
richard: that's more documents than projects
<scribe> ACTION: addison: set up project radar page to track projects we are working on [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/11-i18n-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-208 - Set up project radar page to track projects we are working on [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-04-18].
richard: good idea to use pipeline page instead of having a third page
felix: mention one issue
... published ITS draft will all issue
... some are open
... removed ruby section
... not finalized, but would like to close by end of april
... please include next week
addison: will add to agenda for next week