<LeeF> Present: Lee, OlivierCorby, TommiK, MattPerry, ivanh, Orri, chimezie, pgearon, Sandro, AxelPolleres, alexpassant, bglimm, souri, dcharbon2, kasei
14:49:16 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:49:16 <trackbot> Date: 19 January 2010
Trackbot IRC Bot: Date: 19 January 2010 ←
14:49:17 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, LeeF; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes ←
14:49:19 <LeeF> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-01-19
14:49:23 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
14:49:27 <LeeF> Regrets: AndyS, SteveH, LukeWM
14:51:16 <LeeF> Scribenick: OlivierCorby
(Scribe set to Olivier Corby)
15:05:16 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-01-19
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Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-01-19 ←
15:05:26 <LeeF> topic: Admin
15:05:38 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-01-12
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-01-12 ←
15:06:24 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-01-12
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-01-12 ←
15:07:33 <LeeF> Next meeting: 2010-01-26 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST TommiK to scribe, ivanhH to chair
Lee Feigenbaum: Next meeting: 2010-01-26 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST TommiK to scribe, ivanhH to chair ←
15:08:00 <LeeF> Regrets next two weeks from Souri
Lee Feigenbaum: Regrets next two weeks from Souri ←
15:08:51 <Zakim> -alexpassant
Zakim IRC Bot: -alexpassant ←
15:09:57 <AxelPolleres> Orri: reporting about RDB2RDF, different approaches, nothing yet touching immediately on SPARQL
Orri Erling: reporting about RDB2RDF, different approaches, nothing yet touching immediately on SPARQL [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:10:26 <AxelPolleres> ... main question how mapppings will be expressed.
Axel Polleres: ... main question how mapppings will be expressed. ←
15:11:08 <OlivierCorby> AxelPolleres: RIF
Axel Polleres: RIF ←
15:11:40 <OlivierCorby> ...Room to import RIF
...Room to import RIF ←
15:11:54 <OlivierCorby> ...Semantics for SPARQL RIF
...Semantics for SPARQL RIF ←
15:12:20 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments ←
15:13:26 <LeeF> topic: Document publication decisions
15:13:45 <OlivierCorby> LeeF: look at publishing Update and Protocol
Lee Feigenbaum: look at publishing Update and Protocol ←
15:14:28 <OlivierCorby> ... still an open issue about Return value for update
... still an open issue about Return value for update ←
15:14:50 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/ ←
15:14:59 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: open issues relate protocol vs update, e.g. return values.
Lee Feigenbaum: open issues relate protocol vs update, e.g. return values. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:15:15 <OlivierCorby> LeeF: comments have been addressed
Lee Feigenbaum: comments have been addressed ←
15:15:38 <LeeF> PROPOSED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/ plus new WSDL and Types files as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-protocol/
PROPOSED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/ plus new WSDL and Types files as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-protocol/ ←
15:16:09 <ivanh> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
15:16:11 <pgearon> seconded
Paul Gearon: seconded ←
15:16:14 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
15:16:16 <OlivierCorby> +1
+1 ←
15:16:28 <alexpassant> +1 for DERI
Alexandre Passant: +1 for DERI ←
15:16:49 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
15:16:57 <dcharbon2> +1
David Charboneau: +1 ←
15:16:59 <LeeF> RESOLVED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/ plus new WSDL and Types files as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-protocol/
RESOLVED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/ plus new WSDL and Types files as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-protocol/ ←
15:17:40 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml ←
15:18:54 <Souri> I just sent couple of minor comments: 1) change "unnamed graph" to "default graph"? and 2) [typo] provdided => provided
Souripriya Das: I just sent couple of minor comments: 1) change "unnamed graph" to "default graph"? and 2) [typo] provdided => provided ←
15:20:28 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/51
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/51 ←
15:23:06 <AxelPolleres> happy to publish!
Axel Polleres: happy to publish! ←
15:23:35 <LeeF> PROPOSED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/ + note on ISSUE 51 as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-update/
PROPOSED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/ + note on ISSUE-51 as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-update/ ←
15:23:58 <ivanh> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
15:24:01 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
15:24:02 <dcharbon2> +1
David Charboneau: +1 ←
15:24:11 <OlivierCorby> +1
+1 ←
15:24:16 <LeeF> RESOLVED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/ + note on ISSUE 51 as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-update/
RESOLVED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/ + note on ISSUE-51 as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-update/ ←
15:25:15 <ivanh> publication dates are tu and thu
Ivan Herman: publication dates are tu and thu ←
15:25:33 <ivanh> zakim, unmute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me ←
15:25:33 <Zakim> ivanh should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: ivanh should no longer be muted ←
15:25:36 <ivanh> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:26:34 <AxelPolleres> q+
Axel Polleres: q+ ←
15:26:36 <LeeF> ack ivanh
Lee Feigenbaum: ack ivanh ←
15:28:14 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AxelPolleres ←
15:29:12 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules ←
15:30:40 <OlivierCorby> LeeF: Need to check docs wrt pubrules
Lee Feigenbaum: Need to check docs wrt pubrules ←
15:31:09 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:31:09 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted ←
15:31:12 <bglimm> ok for me [ed-- to involve editors in publication process (LeeF scribe assist)]
Birte Glimm: ok for me [ed-- to involve editors in publication process (LeeF scribe assist)] ←
15:31:15 <dcharbon2> ok for me
David Charboneau: ok for me ←
15:31:24 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to do a first check on pubrules on Thurday and chases up editors for non-trivial fixes if necessary
ACTION: Axel to do a first check on pubrules on Thurday and chases up editors for non-trivial fixes if necessary ←
15:31:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-183 - Do a first check on pubrules on Thurday and chases up editors for non-trivial fixes if necessary [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-26].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-183 - Do a first check on pubrules on Thurday and chases up editors for non-trivial fixes if necessary [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-26]. ←
15:31:26 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
15:31:26 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted ←
15:31:30 <LeeF> topic: SemTech Panel Update
15:33:01 <alexpassant> might be here (submitting proposals so it depends on their acceptance)
Alexandre Passant: might be here (submitting proposals so it depends on their acceptance) ←
15:33:07 <chimezie> Not certain, still looking into it
Chimezie Ogbuji: Not certain, still looking into it ←
15:33:13 <OlivierCorby> LeeF: Paul and Andy will be at SemTech
Lee Feigenbaum: Paul and Andy will be at SemTech ←
15:35:18 <OlivierCorby> LeeF: Test suite / test cases
Lee Feigenbaum: Test suite / test cases ←
15:35:54 <OlivierCorby> ...Discussion next week, think about it
...Discussion next week, think about it ←
15:36:29 <Zakim> -alexpassant
Zakim IRC Bot: -alexpassant ←
15:36:32 <LeeF> topic: Overview document
15:37:17 <Zakim> +??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7 ←
15:37:24 <alexpassant> zakim, ??P7 is me
Alexandre Passant: zakim, ??P7 is me ←
15:37:24 <Zakim> +alexpassant; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +alexpassant; got it ←
15:38:34 <chimezie> hehe
Chimezie Ogbuji: hehe ←
15:39:19 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to work with Axel to put together an overview document for SPARQL 1.1
ACTION: Lee to work with Axel to put together an overview document for SPARQL 1.1 ←
15:39:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-184 - Work with Axel to put together an overview document for SPARQL 1.1 [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2010-01-26].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-184 - Work with Axel to put together an overview document for SPARQL 1.1 [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2010-01-26]. ←
15:39:57 <LeeF> topic: update issues
15:40:10 <Zakim> -Orri
Zakim IRC Bot: -Orri ←
15:43:44 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:43:47 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted ←
15:46:08 <OlivierCorby> ISSUE-27 - Expressivity of SPARQL 1.1 Update WHERE clauses
ISSUE-27 - Expressivity of SPARQL 1.1 Update WHERE clauses ←
15:47:44 <LeeF> PROPOSED: To resolve ISSUE-27 in favor of SPARQL 1.1 Update WHERE clauses having the full expressivity of SPARQL 1.1 Query, noting that the WG will monitor implementation experience in this regard
PROPOSED: To resolve ISSUE-27 in favor of SPARQL 1.1 Update WHERE clauses having the full expressivity of SPARQL 1.1 Query, noting that the WG will monitor implementation experience in this regard ←
15:47:58 <chimezie> Second
Chimezie Ogbuji: Second ←
15:48:13 <LeeF> RESOLVED: To resolve ISSUE-27 in favor of SPARQL 1.1 Update WHERE clauses having the full expressivity of SPARQL 1.1 Query, noting that the WG will monitor implementation experience in this regard
RESOLVED: To resolve ISSUE-27 in favor of SPARQL 1.1 Update WHERE clauses having the full expressivity of SPARQL 1.1 Query, noting that the WG will monitor implementation experience in this regard ←
15:48:17 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
15:48:23 <LeeF> ISSUE-27: RESOLVED: To resolve ISSUE-27 in favor of SPARQL 1.1 Update WHERE clauses having the full expressivity of SPARQL 1.1 Query, noting that the WG will monitor implementation experience in this regard
Lee Feigenbaum: ISSUE-27: RESOLVED: To resolve ISSUE-27 in favor of SPARQL 1.1 Update WHERE clauses having the full expressivity of SPARQL 1.1 Query, noting that the WG will monitor implementation experience in this regard ←
15:48:23 <trackbot> ISSUE-27 Subqueries in Update operations, full expressivity notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-27 Subqueries in Update operations, full expressivity notes added ←
15:48:24 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:48:24 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji was not muted, chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji was not muted, chimezie ←
15:48:39 <LeeF> trackbot, close ISSUE-27
Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ISSUE-27 ←
15:48:39 <trackbot> ISSUE-27 Subqueries in Update operations, full expressivity closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-27 Subqueries in Update operations, full expressivity closed ←
15:49:07 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/25
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/25 ←
15:49:56 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-25 with no change, noting that this is *allowed* by the definition of INSERT in the current SPARQL1.1 Update WD.
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-25 with no change, noting that this is *allowed* by the definition of INSERT in the current SPARQL1.1 Update WD. ←
15:50:18 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
15:50:34 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-25 with no change, noting that this is *allowed* by the definition of INSERT in the current SPARQL1.1 Update WD.
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-25 with no change, noting that this is *allowed* by the definition of INSERT in the current SPARQL1.1 Update WD. ←
15:50:47 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/38
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/38 ←
15:51:06 <LeeF> ISSUE-25: RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-25 with no change, noting that this is *allowed* by the definition of INSERT in the current SPARQL1.1 Update WD.
Lee Feigenbaum: ISSUE-25: RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-25 with no change, noting that this is *allowed* by the definition of INSERT in the current SPARQL1.1 Update WD. ←
15:51:06 <trackbot> ISSUE-25 Dynamic graph (variable) for INTO graph to update/modify notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-25 Dynamic graph (variable) for INTO graph to update/modify notes added ←
15:51:13 <LeeF> trackbot, close ISSUE-25
Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ISSUE-25 ←
15:51:13 <trackbot> ISSUE-25 Dynamic graph (variable) for INTO graph to update/modify closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-25 Dynamic graph (variable) for INTO graph to update/modify closed ←
15:51:22 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/38
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/38 ←
15:51:51 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-38 with no change, noting that this is covered by the resolution of ISSUE-27 already.
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-38 with no change, noting that this is covered by the resolution of ISSUE-27 already. ←
15:52:00 <OlivierCorby> LeeF: relationship between property paths and SPARQL/Update
Lee Feigenbaum: relationship between property paths and SPARQL/Update ←
15:52:06 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
15:52:24 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-38 with no change, noting that this is covered by the resolution of ISSUE-27 already.
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-38 with no change, noting that this is covered by the resolution of ISSUE-27 already. ←
15:52:32 <LeeF> ISSUE-38: RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-38 with no change, noting that this is covered by the resolution of ISSUE-27 already.
Lee Feigenbaum: ISSUE-38: RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-38 with no change, noting that this is covered by the resolution of ISSUE-27 already. ←
15:52:32 <trackbot> ISSUE-38 How do property paths interact with SPARQL/Update? notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-38 How do property paths interact with SPARQL/Update? notes added ←
15:52:37 <LeeF> trackbot, close ISSUE-38
Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ISSUE-38 ←
15:52:37 <trackbot> ISSUE-38 How do property paths interact with SPARQL/Update? closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-38 How do property paths interact with SPARQL/Update? closed ←
15:55:37 <OlivierCorby> LeeF: issue 51 is about scoping update query with graph pattern
Lee Feigenbaum: ISSUE-51 is about scoping update query with graph pattern ←
15:56:48 <Souri> I agree that we need to be very clear on this issue about the universe: what constitute the "default graph" and what are the named graphs.
Souripriya Das: I agree that we need to be very clear on this issue about the universe: what constitute the "default graph" and what are the named graphs. ←
15:57:35 <chimezie> +1
Chimezie Ogbuji: +1 ←
15:58:28 <AxelPolleres> q+ to ask whether you miss the ability to merge? Otherwise you could also FILTER on ?g ?
Axel Polleres: q+ to ask whether you miss the ability to merge? Otherwise you could also FILTER on ?g ? ←
15:58:44 <dcharbon2> q+
David Charboneau: q+ ←
16:00:29 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AxelPolleres ←
16:00:29 <Zakim> AxelPolleres, you wanted to ask whether you miss the ability to merge? Otherwise you could also FILTER on ?g ?
Zakim IRC Bot: AxelPolleres, you wanted to ask whether you miss the ability to merge? Otherwise you could also FILTER on ?g ? ←
16:00:40 <chimezie> This capability is very important for us and generally I agree we should have parity with capabilities now and as they will be with regards to controlling granularity of managing graphs
Chimezie Ogbuji: This capability is very important for us and generally I agree we should have parity with capabilities now and as they will be with regards to controlling granularity of managing graphs ←
16:02:28 <sandro> We're overtime. Gotta go.
Sandro Hawke: We're overtime. Gotta go. ←
16:06:04 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended ←
16:06:06 <Zakim> Attendees were ivanh, LeeF, +49.238.aaaa, +1.518.276.aabb, kasei, MattPerry, bglimm, Sandro, dcharbon2, +035840564aaee, +1.312.863.aaff, pgearon, OlivierCorby, tommik,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were ivanh, LeeF, +49.238.aaaa, +1.518.276.aabb, kasei, MattPerry, bglimm, Sandro, dcharbon2, +035840564aaee, +1.312.863.aaff, pgearon, OlivierCorby, tommik, ←
16:06:11 <Zakim> ... Chimezie_Ogbuji, Orri, +03539149aagg, AxelPolleres, alexpassant, +1.603.897.aahh, Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Chimezie_Ogbuji, Orri, +03539149aagg, AxelPolleres, alexpassant, +1.603.897.aahh, Souri ←
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