14:57:46 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/01/12-sparql-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/01/12-sparql-irc ←
14:58:07 <AxelPolleres> trackbot, start meeting
Axel Polleres: trackbot, start meeting ←
14:58:07 <AxelPolleres> Regrets: LeeF
14:58:10 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world ←
14:58:12 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 77277 ←
14:58:12 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes ←
14:58:13 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:58:13 <trackbot> Date: 12 January 2010
14:59:19 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:59:19 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AxelPolleres ←
14:59:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, bglimm, OlivierCorby, LukeWM, LeeF, AndyS, dcharbon2, iv_an_ru, AlexPassant, karl, pgearon, kasei, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, bglimm, OlivierCorby, LukeWM, LeeF, AndyS, dcharbon2, iv_an_ru, AlexPassant, karl, pgearon, kasei, trackbot, sandro ←
15:00:00 <AndyS> zakim, this will be sparql
Andy Seaborne: zakim, this will be sparql ←
15:00:05 <Zakim> ok, AndyS, I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, AndyS, I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM already started ←
15:00:11 <Zakim> +Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri ←
15:00:13 <Zakim> +??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2 ←
15:00:14 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone ←
15:00:21 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', AndyS ←
15:00:41 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:00:41 <Zakim> +kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: +kasei ←
15:00:41 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:00:43 <Zakim> +bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm ←
15:00:44 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
15:00:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, ??P17, Souri, ??P2, kasei, bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, ??P17, Souri, ??P2, kasei, bglimm ←
15:00:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, ??P17, Souri, ??P2, kasei, bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, ??P17, Souri, ??P2, kasei, bglimm ←
15:00:51 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
15:00:52 <LukeWM> zakim, ??P2 is LukeWM
Luke Wilson-Mawer: zakim, ??P2 is LukeWM ←
15:00:55 <AndyS> zakim, ??P17 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P17 is me ←
15:01:01 <Zakim> +pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon ←
15:01:05 <dcharbon2> zakim, mute me
David Charboneau: zakim, mute me ←
15:01:07 <Zakim> +LukeWM; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +LukeWM; got it ←
15:01:13 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
15:01:21 <Zakim> dcharbon2 should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: dcharbon2 should now be muted ←
15:01:42 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:01:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2 (muted), AndyS, Souri, LukeWM, kasei, bglimm (muted), pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2 (muted), AndyS, Souri, LukeWM, kasei, bglimm (muted), pgearon ←
15:02:37 <LeeF> Regrets+ LeeF
Lee Feigenbaum: Regrets+ LeeF ←
15:03:01 <Zakim> +IvanH
Zakim IRC Bot: +IvanH ←
15:03:05 <LeeF> I support publication of all of our documents as Working Drafts, as long as editors are happy with them.
Lee Feigenbaum: I support publication of all of our documents as Working Drafts, as long as editors are happy with them. ←
15:03:36 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, mute ivanh
Axel Polleres: Zakim, mute ivanh ←
15:03:39 <Zakim> Ivanh should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivanh should now be muted ←
15:03:41 <ivanh> is it better now?
Ivan Herman: is it better now? ←
15:03:56 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-01-12
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-01-12 ←
15:04:20 <dcharbon2> Scribe: dcharbon2
(Scribe set to David Charboneau)
15:04:46 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-01-05
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-01-05 ←
15:05:00 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-01-05
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-01-05 ←
15:05:22 <AxelPolleres> Next meeting: 2010-01-19 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST
Axel Polleres: Next meeting: 2010-01-19 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST ←
15:05:27 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: should be 19th, not 17th for meeting
Axel Polleres: should be 19th, not 17th for meeting ←
15:05:45 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Should have comments handling in the end, anything to report from liasons?
Axel Polleres: Should have comments handling in the end, anything to report from liasons? ←
15:05:46 <AxelPolleres> topic: liaisons
15:05:59 <AxelPolleres> nothing to report, it seems
Axel Polleres: nothing to report, it seems ←
15:05:59 <AxelPolleres> topic: reviews and publications
15:06:13 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: move to document reviews, sparql queries
Axel Polleres: move to document reviews, sparql queries ←
15:06:16 <chimezie> Zakim, passcode?
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, passcode? ←
15:06:24 <bglimm> yes
Birte Glimm: yes ←
15:06:27 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie ←
15:06:27 <chimezie> Zakim, what is the passcode?
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, what is the passcode? ←
15:06:39 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie ←
15:06:50 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: have comments been addressed in queries?
Axel Polleres: have comments been addressed in queries? ←
15:07:01 <dcharbon2> zakim, who is talking?
zakim, who is talking? ←
15:07:09 <Zakim> +??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←
15:07:11 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ?P3 is me
Alexandre Passant: Zakim, ?P3 is me ←
15:07:14 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P3 is me
Alexandre Passant: Zakim, ??P3 is me ←
15:07:18 <Zakim> sorry, AlexPassant, I do not recognize a party named '?P3'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, AlexPassant, I do not recognize a party named '?P3' ←
15:07:19 <Zakim> dcharbon2, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AxelPolleres (4%), AndyS (35%), Souri (49%)
Zakim IRC Bot: dcharbon2, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AxelPolleres (4%), AndyS (35%), Souri (49%) ←
15:07:24 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it ←
15:07:31 <dcharbon2> Souri: yes, my comments have been addressed
Souripriya Das: yes, my comments have been addressed ←
15:07:36 <Zakim> + +1.216.636.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.216.636.aaaa ←
15:07:39 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: any other comments?
Axel Polleres: any other comments? ←
15:07:54 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.216.636.aaaa is me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, +1.216.636.aaaa is me ←
15:07:54 <Zakim> +chimezie; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +chimezie; got it ←
15:07:56 <Zakim> +??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6 ←
15:08:00 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/
PROPOSED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/ ←
15:08:02 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Andy, any more comments?
Axel Polleres: Andy, any more comments? ←
15:08:11 <dcharbon2> AndyS: I think I've processed everything
Andy Seaborne: I think I've processed everything ←
15:08:11 <ivanh> yes
Ivan Herman: yes ←
15:08:26 <dcharbon2> +1
+1 ←
15:08:26 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:08:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2 (muted), AndyS, Souri, LukeWM, kasei, bglimm (muted), pgearon, IvanH (muted), AlexPassant, chimezie, ??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2 (muted), AndyS, Souri, LukeWM, kasei, bglimm (muted), pgearon, IvanH (muted), AlexPassant, chimezie, ??P6 ←
15:08:34 <ivanh> +1 (W3C)
Ivan Herman: +1 (W3C) ←
15:08:35 <kasei> +1 (RPI)
Gregory Williams: +1 (RPI) ←
15:08:38 <bglimm> +1 (Oxford)
Birte Glimm: +1 (Oxford) ←
15:08:39 <dcharbon2> +1 (IBM)
+1 (IBM) ←
15:08:40 <chimezie> +1 (CCF)
Chimezie Ogbuji: +1 (CCF) ←
15:08:41 <AlexPassant> +1 (DERI, NUIG)
Alexandre Passant: +1 (DERI, NUIG) ←
15:08:42 <AndyS> +1 (Talis)
Andy Seaborne: +1 (Talis) ←
15:08:46 <OlivierCorby> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
15:08:47 <Souri> +1 (Oracle)
Souripriya Das: +1 (Oracle) ←
15:08:56 <LukeWM> +1 (Garlik) - on Steve's behalf
Luke Wilson-Mawer: +1 (Garlik) - on Steve's behalf ←
15:09:09 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/
RESOLVED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/ ←
15:09:18 <Souri> +1 (Oracle) - on Matt's behalf
Souripriya Das: +1 (Oracle) - on Matt's behalf ←
15:09:28 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Next one is services description document
Axel Polleres: Next one is services description document ←
15:09:55 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Does Alex or other reviewers have more comments?
Axel Polleres: Does Alex or other reviewers have more comments? ←
15:10:12 <dcharbon2> AlexPassant: I am ok with the comments and changes
Alexandre Passant: I am ok with the comments and changes ←
15:10:29 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/ as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-service-description/
PROPOSED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/ as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-service-description/ ←
15:10:33 <Zakim> +??P37
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P37 ←
15:10:36 <ivanh> +1 (W3C)
Ivan Herman: +1 (W3C) ←
15:10:37 <AlexPassant> +1 (DERI, NUIG)
Alexandre Passant: +1 (DERI, NUIG) ←
15:10:38 <kasei> +1 (RPI)
Gregory Williams: +1 (RPI) ←
15:10:39 <AndyS> +1 (Talis)
Andy Seaborne: +1 (Talis) ←
15:10:44 <bglimm> +1 (Oxford)
Birte Glimm: +1 (Oxford) ←
15:10:44 <dcharbon2> +1 (IBM)
+1 (IBM) ←
15:10:46 <OlivierCorby> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
15:11:06 <Souri> 0
Souripriya Das: 0 ←
15:11:13 <Souri> 0
Souripriya Das: 0 ←
15:11:19 <ivanh> zakim, ??P37 is Orri
Ivan Herman: zakim, ??P37 is Orri ←
15:11:19 <Zakim> +Orri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Orri; got it ←
15:11:27 <AxelPolleres> +1 (on behalf of OpenLink, Orri)
Axel Polleres: +1 (on behalf of OpenLink, Orri) ←
15:11:43 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Why does Souri abstain?
Axel Polleres: Why does Souri abstain? ←
15:11:43 <dcharbon2> ... any problem with abstentions, ivanh?
... any problem with abstentions, ivanh? ←
15:12:02 <ivanh> no
Ivan Herman: no ←
15:12:03 <dcharbon2> Souri: I didn't get to read it fully, so I am not sure.
Souripriya Das: I didn't get to read it fully, so I am not sure. ←
15:12:05 <ivanh> fair enough
Ivan Herman: fair enough ←
15:12:19 <ivanh> important is that there is no objection
Ivan Herman: important is that there is no objection ←
15:12:22 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/ as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-service-description/
RESOLVED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/ as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-service-description/ ←
15:12:28 <pgearon> I have not had a chance to read either document either, so am also unsure
Paul Gearon: I have not had a chance to read either document either, so am also unsure ←
15:12:33 <pgearon> but am happy to publish
Paul Gearon: but am happy to publish ←
15:12:41 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: next up is update document, where there was still some ongoing discussion
Axel Polleres: next up is update document, where there was still some ongoing discussion ←
15:13:29 <dcharbon2> pgearon: Yes, there was still discussion around delete and such
Paul Gearon: Yes, there was still discussion around delete and such ←
15:13:55 <dcharbon2> pgearon: Outstanding issues are ok where they are, was more concerned with things getting resolved
Paul Gearon: Outstanding issues are ok where they are, was more concerned with things getting resolved ←
15:14:02 <LukeWM> I haven't read the document thoroughly either, but I'm not going to object.
Luke Wilson-Mawer: I haven't read the document thoroughly either, but I'm not going to object. ←
15:14:05 <dcharbon2> pgearon: Still some syntax issues, like delete shortcut
Paul Gearon: Still some syntax issues, like delete shortcut ←
15:14:17 <dcharbon2> pgearon: Some ambiguities still under discussion
Paul Gearon: Some ambiguities still under discussion ←
15:14:34 <Zakim> +Satya
Zakim IRC Bot: +Satya ←
15:14:35 <dcharbon2> pgearon: would like to see a resolution of some of these discussions before going to publish
Paul Gearon: would like to see a resolution of some of these discussions before going to publish ←
15:14:43 <Prateek> Zakim,Satya is Prateek
Prateek Jain: Zakim,Satya is Prateek ←
15:14:43 <Zakim> +Prateek; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Prateek; got it ←
15:14:58 <LeeF> The latest ambiguity that Andy highlighted scared me a lot! (similar-looking DELETE and DELETE DATA doing different things)
Lee Feigenbaum: The latest ambiguity that Andy highlighted scared me a lot! (similar-looking DELETE and DELETE DATA doing different things) ←
15:15:11 <Souri> zakim, who's on the phone
Souripriya Das: zakim, who's on the phone ←
15:15:11 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's on the phone', Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who's on the phone', Souri ←
15:15:27 <dcharbon2> pgearon: Liked latest discussion around Delete
Paul Gearon: Liked latest discussion around Delete ←
15:15:37 <dcharbon2> pgearon: would prefer some of what has been discussed
Paul Gearon: would prefer some of what has been discussed ←
15:16:07 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: wanted to make sure that the list and document were representative
Axel Polleres: wanted to make sure that the list and document were representative ←
15:16:47 <dcharbon2> pgearon: still of two minds on how to resolve the issue, whether to take discussion into document or go forward with what is in place now
Paul Gearon: still of two minds on how to resolve the issue, whether to take discussion into document or go forward with what is in place now ←
15:17:03 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: should we come back to this next week? Would that be better?
Axel Polleres: should we come back to this next week? Would that be better? ←
15:17:20 <Souri> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Souripriya Das: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:17:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2 (muted), AndyS, Souri, LukeWM, kasei, bglimm (muted), pgearon, IvanH (muted), AlexPassant, chimezie, ??P6, Orri, Prateek
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2 (muted), AndyS, Souri, LukeWM, kasei, bglimm (muted), pgearon, IvanH (muted), AlexPassant, chimezie, ??P6, Orri, Prateek ←
15:17:20 <dcharbon2> pgearon: That sounds good, if we can get the quick turnaround
Paul Gearon: That sounds good, if we can get the quick turnaround ←
15:17:42 <AndyS> Please link CVS log to email log for comments (CVS log accepts HTML markup)
Andy Seaborne: Please link CVS log to email log for comments (CVS log accepts HTML markup) ←
15:17:49 <LukeWM> q+
Luke Wilson-Mawer: q+ ←
15:17:49 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Next week should be fine for deciding on publish for this document. Just be sure that there is an editor's note regarding the ongoing discussion
Axel Polleres: Next week should be fine for deciding on publish for this document. Just be sure that there is an editor's note regarding the ongoing discussion ←
15:17:56 <Souri> zakim, ??p6 is Matt
Souripriya Das: zakim, ??p6 is Matt ←
15:17:56 <Zakim> +Matt; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Matt; got it ←
15:18:26 <dcharbon2> ??: It would be good to postpone to next week for Steve
??: It would be good to postpone to next week for Steve ←
15:18:37 <LukeWM> it was me dcharbon2
Luke Wilson-Mawer: it was me dcharbon2 ←
15:18:49 <dcharbon2> pgearon: Steve has been active in the discussion
Paul Gearon: Steve has been active in the discussion ←
15:18:50 <ivanh> s/??/LukeWM/
Ivan Herman: s/??/LukeWM/ ←
15:19:08 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Let's vote on it next week then
Axel Polleres: Let's vote on it next week then ←
15:19:18 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Paul to make proposal to resolve current state of discussion on UPDATE in editor's notes and find approval by reviewers on email
ACTION: Paul to make proposal to resolve current state of discussion on UPDATE in editor's notes and find approval by reviewers on email ←
15:19:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-180 - Make proposal to resolve current state of discussion on UPDATE in editor's notes and find approval by reviewers on email [on Paul Gearon - due 2010-01-19].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-180 - Make proposal to resolve current state of discussion on UPDATE in editor's notes and find approval by reviewers on email [on Paul Gearon - due 2010-01-19]. ←
15:19:21 <dcharbon2> pgearon: I'll email the list when I've updated the document
Paul Gearon: I'll email the list when I've updated the document ←
15:19:37 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
15:19:44 <LukeWM> zakim, ack me
Luke Wilson-Mawer: zakim, ack me ←
15:19:44 <Zakim> I see ??P2 on the speaker queue
Zakim IRC Bot: I see ??P2 on the speaker queue ←
15:19:44 <ivanh> ack LukeWM
Ivan Herman: ack LukeWM ←
15:19:45 <AxelPolleres> ack LukeWM
Axel Polleres: ack LukeWM ←
15:20:05 <ivanh> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
15:20:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2 (muted), AndyS, Souri, LukeWM, kasei, bglimm (muted), pgearon, IvanH (muted), AlexPassant, chimezie, Matt, Orri, Prateek
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2 (muted), AndyS, Souri, LukeWM, kasei, bglimm (muted), pgearon, IvanH (muted), AlexPassant, chimezie, Matt, Orri, Prateek ←
15:20:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see Prateek, chimezie, Souri, ivanh, Zakim, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, bglimm, OlivierCorby, LukeWM, LeeF, AndyS, dcharbon2, iv_an_ru, AlexPassant, karl, pgearon, kasei,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Prateek, chimezie, Souri, ivanh, Zakim, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, bglimm, OlivierCorby, LukeWM, LeeF, AndyS, dcharbon2, iv_an_ru, AlexPassant, karl, pgearon, kasei, ←
15:20:11 <LukeWM> zakim, ack ??P2
Luke Wilson-Mawer: zakim, ack ??P2 ←
15:20:11 <Zakim> ... trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot, sandro ←
15:20:11 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
Zakim IRC Bot: I see no one on the speaker queue ←
15:20:17 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: who is on the queue?
Axel Polleres: who is on the queue? ←
15:20:35 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Next document is property paths
Axel Polleres: Next document is property paths ←
15:20:47 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: There were some comments from Souri, before?
Axel Polleres: There were some comments from Souri, before? ←
15:21:16 <dcharbon2> Souri: There was a question of getting some more functionality, however, AndyS pointed out a previous straw poll rejecting that
Souripriya Das: There was a question of getting some more functionality, however, AndyS pointed out a previous straw poll rejecting that ←
15:21:28 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: It sounds like the comments have been addressed
Axel Polleres: It sounds like the comments have been addressed ←
15:21:44 <dcharbon2> AndyS: Some of the issues have been opened as issues, everything should be noted
Andy Seaborne: Some of the issues have been opened as issues, everything should be noted ←
15:22:34 <dcharbon2> AndyS: Would like to bring up a process issue for property paths, decided to publish with shortname. Will create a dangling document if property paths get merged into query specification. Will that cause a problem, can it be avoided?
Andy Seaborne: Would like to bring up a process issue for property paths, decided to publish with shortname. Will create a dangling document if property paths get merged into query specification. Will that cause a problem, can it be avoided? ←
15:22:36 <ivanh> zakim, unmute me
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15:22:38 <ivanh> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:22:45 <ivanh> ack ivanh
Ivan Herman: ack ivanh ←
15:23:28 <dcharbon2> ivanh: to make things really nice, when we decide to merge the path into the query docuemnt, if we do decide that, we can put out a new version of the property paths document stating it has been discontinued and merged into the query document
Ivan Herman: to make things really nice, when we decide to merge the path into the query docuemnt, if we do decide that, we can put out a new version of the property paths document stating it has been discontinued and merged into the query document ←
15:23:37 <dcharbon2> AndyS: That would be excellent
Andy Seaborne: That would be excellent ←
15:24:03 <dcharbon2> ivanh: When the group is closed, the site is set up so certain docs can be marked as retired and won't be available
Ivan Herman: When the group is closed, the site is set up so certain docs can be marked as retired and won't be available ←
15:24:07 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml as FPWD under http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-property-paths/
PROPOSED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml as FPWD under http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-property-paths/ ←
15:24:17 <AndyS> +1 (Talis)
Andy Seaborne: +1 (Talis) ←
15:24:18 <kasei> +1 (RPI)
Gregory Williams: +1 (RPI) ←
15:24:19 <ivanh> +1 (W3C)
Ivan Herman: +1 (W3C) ←
15:24:19 <AlexPassant> +1 (DERI, NUIG)
Alexandre Passant: +1 (DERI, NUIG) ←
15:24:22 <dcharbon2> +1 (IBM)
+1 (IBM) ←
15:24:24 <OlivierCorby> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
15:24:27 <Prateek> +1
Prateek Jain: +1 ←
15:24:28 <Souri> +1 (Oracle) for both Souri and Matt
Souripriya Das: +1 (Oracle) for both Souri and Matt ←
15:24:32 <pgearon> +1
Paul Gearon: +1 ←
15:24:36 <bglimm> 0 (Oxford) -- havn't read it, but see no reasons not to publish
Birte Glimm: 0 (Oxford) -- havn't read it, but see no reasons not to publish ←
15:24:37 <chimezie> +1 (CCF)
Chimezie Ogbuji: +1 (CCF) ←
15:24:58 <Prateek> For Wright State University
Prateek Jain: For Wright State University ←
15:25:05 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml as FPWD under http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-property-paths/
RESOLVED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml as FPWD under http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-property-paths/ ←
15:25:19 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
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15:25:23 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: get to the last document which is entailment, where there has been much work
Axel Polleres: get to the last document which is entailment, where there has been much work ←
15:25:52 <dcharbon2> bglimm: I think I addressed almost all comments. There is still one issue which means and editors note will be added
Birte Glimm: I think I addressed almost all comments. There is still one issue which means and editors note will be added ←
15:26:08 <dcharbon2> s/and editors/an editors/
s/and editors/an editors/ ←
15:26:42 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Issue around consistent active graph -
Axel Polleres: Issue around consistent active graph - ←
15:27:02 <dcharbon2> bglimm: currently defined in a way that don't satisfy certain conditions
Birte Glimm: currently defined in a way that don't satisfy certain conditions ←
15:27:27 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Understood that the conditions weren't related when he read the draft
Axel Polleres: Understood that the conditions weren't related when he read the draft ←
15:27:28 <ivanh> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:27:40 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: suggest slight weakening of the editors note
Axel Polleres: suggest slight weakening of the editors note ←
15:28:00 <dcharbon2> ivanh: this should not be an obstacle for publishing?
Ivan Herman: this should not be an obstacle for publishing? ←
15:28:13 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: I think this should be fine, but editor's note suggests a problem
Axel Polleres: I think this should be fine, but editor's note suggests a problem ←
15:28:31 <dcharbon2> ivanh: open issues should not be a reason not to publish the entailment docuemnt
Ivan Herman: open issues should not be a reason not to publish the entailment docuemnt ←
15:28:49 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: can we propose to publish modulo pending change to editor's note?
Axel Polleres: can we propose to publish modulo pending change to editor's note? ←
15:28:52 <dcharbon2> ivanh: I think so
Ivan Herman: I think so ←
15:29:10 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-entailment/ modulo agreement between Birte and Axel on Editor's note regarding inconsistency
PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-entailment/ modulo agreement between Birte and Axel on Editor's note regarding inconsistency ←
15:29:25 <ivanh> +1 (W3C)
Ivan Herman: +1 (W3C) ←
15:29:27 <bglimm> +1 (Oxford)
Birte Glimm: +1 (Oxford) ←
15:29:29 <AndyS> +1 (Talis)
Andy Seaborne: +1 (Talis) ←
15:29:31 <dcharbon2> +1 (IBM)
+1 (IBM) ←
15:29:33 <kasei> +1 (RPI)
Gregory Williams: +1 (RPI) ←
15:29:35 <AlexPassant> +1 (DERI, NUIG)
Alexandre Passant: +1 (DERI, NUIG) ←
15:29:35 <OlivierCorby> +1 (INRIA)
Olivier Corby: +1 (INRIA) ←
15:29:39 <chimezie> +1 (CCF)
Chimezie Ogbuji: +1 (CCF) ←
15:29:40 <Prateek> +1 (Wright State University)
Prateek Jain: +1 (Wright State University) ←
15:29:42 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
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15:29:59 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-entailment/ modulo agreement between Birte and Axel on Editor's note regarding inconsistency
RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-entailment/ modulo agreement between Birte and Axel on Editor's note regarding inconsistency ←
15:30:22 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: congratulate and thank the editors for their hard work
Axel Polleres: congratulate and thank the editors for their hard work ←
15:30:33 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: have protocol and update pending
Axel Polleres: have protocol and update pending ←
15:30:49 <dcharbon2> zakim, unmute me
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15:31:30 <AndyS> dcharbon2: Did Axel comments (LeeF) but pref to wait until next week
David Charboneau: Did Axel comments (LeeF) but pref to wait until next week [ Scribe Assist by Andy Seaborne ] ←
15:31:37 <dcharbon2> LeeF had incorporated AxelPolleres comments
LeeF had incorporated AxelPolleres comments ←
15:31:45 <AndyS> LukeWM: Agree - wait is good
Luke Wilson-Mawer: Agree - wait is good [ Scribe Assist by Andy Seaborne ] ←
15:31:55 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
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15:31:58 <dcharbon2> I proposed postponing to next week to incorporate LukeWM's comments
I proposed postponing to next week to incorporate LukeWM's comments ←
15:32:08 <dcharbon2> It was agreed
It was agreed ←
15:32:40 <dcharbon2> chimezie: Incorporating comments went well, unless AndyS has comments, thinks the specification is ready for publication
Chimezie Ogbuji: Incorporating comments went well, unless AndyS has comments, thinks the specification is ready for publication ←
15:32:54 <dcharbon2> AndyS: Yes, I'm happy for it to be published as a working draft
Andy Seaborne: Yes, I'm happy for it to be published as a working draft ←
15:32:55 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-http-rdf-update/
PROPOSED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-http-rdf-update/ ←
15:32:59 <dcharbon2> zakim, mute me
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15:33:07 <AndyS> +1 (Talis)
Andy Seaborne: +1 (Talis) ←
15:33:16 <kasei> +1 (RPI)
Gregory Williams: +1 (RPI) ←
15:33:16 <dcharbon2> +1 (IBM)
+1 (IBM) ←
15:33:24 <AlexPassant> +1 (DERI, NUIG)
Alexandre Passant: +1 (DERI, NUIG) ←
15:33:30 <OlivierCorby> 0, I have not read them
Olivier Corby: 0, I have not read them ←
15:33:38 <bglimm> 0 (Oxford) -- again not read the document, but I see no reasons not to publish
Birte Glimm: 0 (Oxford) -- again not read the document, but I see no reasons not to publish ←
15:33:46 <pgearon> +1
Paul Gearon: +1 ←
15:33:47 <Prateek> +1 (Wright State University)
Prateek Jain: +1 (Wright State University) ←
15:33:50 <Souri> 0 (I need more careful reading, but would not want to hold it)
Souripriya Das: 0 (I need more careful reading, but would not want to hold it) ←
15:34:10 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Some abstentions, no objections
Axel Polleres: Some abstentions, no objections ←
15:34:13 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-http-rdf-update/
RESOLVED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-http-rdf-update/ ←
15:34:21 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
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15:34:39 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Have two remaining votes for next week
Axel Polleres: Have two remaining votes for next week ←
15:34:49 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Time to go through the update issues
Axel Polleres: Time to go through the update issues ←
15:35:12 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JanMar/0133.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JanMar/0133.html ←
15:35:12 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: made a small attempt to summarize the current open issues for update
Axel Polleres: made a small attempt to summarize the current open issues for update ←
15:35:30 <kasei> and typing
Gregory Williams: and typing ←
15:35:34 <chimezie> Axel you are cutting in and out
Chimezie Ogbuji: Axel you are cutting in and out ←
15:35:39 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, mute ivan
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15:35:41 <AndyS> Can we discuss having a new overview doc?
Andy Seaborne: Can we discuss having a new overview doc? ←
15:36:10 <AlexPassant> AndyS: do you mean updating the F&R ?
Andy Seaborne: do you mean updating the F&R ? [ Scribe Assist by Alexandre Passant ] ←
15:05:59 <AxelPolleres> topic: Update issues
15:36:17 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: link is a summary of the issues AndyS and Paul had brought up
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Axel Polleres: link is a summary of the issues AndyS and Paul had brought up ←
15:36:35 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: There were several open issues, first is actually a closed issue that seems to have been forgotten
Axel Polleres: There were several open issues, first is actually a closed issue that seems to have been forgotten ←
15:36:56 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: There was some late unhappiness with the wording of the resolution
Axel Polleres: There was some late unhappiness with the wording of the resolution ←
15:37:01 <AndyS> No - a summary /guide to the spec we produce. Came up in update discussion.
Andy Seaborne: No - a summary /guide to the spec we produce. Came up in update discussion. ←
15:37:02 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/27
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/27 ←
15:38:05 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Issue 27 is about substituting in updates, had been closed, but concerns about wording in resolution
Axel Polleres: ISSUE-27 is about substituting in updates, had been closed, but concerns about wording in resolution ←
15:38:31 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Resolution had been passed at face2face 2
Axel Polleres: Resolution had been passed at face2face 2 ←
15:38:49 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Are there any objects to just allowing sparql 1.1 where clauses (straw poll)
Axel Polleres: Are there any objects to just allowing sparql 1.1 where clauses (straw poll) ←
15:39:00 <dcharbon2> s/objects/objections/
s/objects/objections/ ←
15:39:00 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
15:39:01 <AndyS> No objection here
Andy Seaborne: No objection here ←
15:39:02 <ivanh> not exactly:-(
Ivan Herman: not exactly:-( ←
15:39:04 <ivanh> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
15:39:09 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
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15:39:13 <ivanh> yes
Ivan Herman: yes ←
15:39:18 <chimezie> I'm not 100% clear either
Chimezie Ogbuji: I'm not 100% clear either ←
15:39:23 <bglimm> me either
Birte Glimm: me either ←
15:39:51 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: said we would close this issue that where clauses in update would allow all sparql 1.0, but would mark sparql 1.1 additions as at risk
Axel Polleres: said we would close this issue that where clauses in update would allow all sparql 1.0, but would mark sparql 1.1 additions as at risk ←
15:40:04 <ivanh> including property paths?
Ivan Herman: including property paths? ←
15:40:19 <ivanh> yes
Ivan Herman: yes ←
15:40:23 <bglimm> yes
Birte Glimm: yes ←
15:40:23 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: suggesting, passing resolution allowing sparql 1.1 where clauses in updates after comments from AndyS and paul
Axel Polleres: suggesting, passing resolution allowing sparql 1.1 where clauses in updates after comments from AndyS and paul ←
15:40:59 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: If we psas this resolution, property paths would be allowed in update
Axel Polleres: If we psas this resolution, property paths would be allowed in update ←
15:41:10 <dcharbon2> s/psas/pass
s/psas/pass ←
15:41:37 <AxelPolleres> Strawpoll: any objections to allow full SPARQL1.1/Query WHERE clauses for update WHERE clauses?
STRAWPOLL: any objections to allow full SPARQL1.1/Query WHERE clauses for update WHERE clauses? ←
15:42:02 <AxelPolleres> Strawpoll: shall we allow full SPARQL1.1/Query WHERE clauses for update WHERE clauses?
STRAWPOLL: shall we allow full SPARQL1.1/Query WHERE clauses for update WHERE clauses? ←
15:42:07 <ivanh> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
15:42:11 <dcharbon2> +1
+1 ←
15:42:12 <AndyS> yes +1
Andy Seaborne: yes +1 ←
15:42:15 <ivanh> +1 for Orri
Ivan Herman: +1 for Orri ←
15:42:18 <pgearon> +1
Paul Gearon: +1 ←
15:42:18 <MattPerry> +1
Matthew Perry: +1 ←
15:42:19 <Souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
15:42:21 <chimezie> 0 (I'm cautious about allowing at the outset that amount of expressiveness in the update language)
Chimezie Ogbuji: 0 (I'm cautious about allowing at the outset that amount of expressiveness in the update language) ←
15:42:21 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
15:42:21 <Prateek> +1
Prateek Jain: +1 ←
15:42:23 <chimezie> but will go with group
Chimezie Ogbuji: but will go with group ←
15:42:26 <kasei> +1
Gregory Williams: +1 ←
15:42:31 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
15:42:48 <LukeWM> 0
15:42:58 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Chimezie, can you elaborate your concerns?
Axel Polleres: Chimezie, can you elaborate your concerns? ←
15:43:05 <OlivierCorby> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
15:43:49 <dcharbon2> chimezie: this would allow all constructs from 1.1 and there are some constructs that aren't fully settled. Understand using feedback to determine what to not allow in these where clauses in the update language.
Chimezie Ogbuji: this would allow all constructs from 1.1 and there are some constructs that aren't fully settled. Understand using feedback to determine what to not allow in these where clauses in the update language. ←
15:44:32 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: chair hat off, need full sparql query processor for update where clause if we don't allow sparql 1.1 (to deal with sparql query 1.0)
Axel Polleres: chair hat off, need full sparql query processor for update where clause if we don't allow sparql 1.1 (to deal with sparql query 1.0) ←
15:45:05 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Don't see where this resolution would introduce problems
Axel Polleres: Don't see where this resolution would introduce problems ←
15:45:16 <AndyS> There may well be incomplete impls of update - but there are of SPARQL 1.0 Query today.
Andy Seaborne: There may well be incomplete impls of update - but there are of SPARQL 1.0 Query today. ←
15:45:18 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: if we restrict it, we could restrict it in terms of profiles
Axel Polleres: if we restrict it, we could restrict it in terms of profiles ←
15:45:53 <dcharbon2> chimezie: I can see that it will be less of an issue. Wanted to clarify process for resolving an issues discovered down the road.
Chimezie Ogbuji: I can see that it will be less of an issue. Wanted to clarify process for resolving an issues discovered down the road. ←
15:46:11 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: LukeWM, any comments for regarding your abstention?
Axel Polleres: LukeWM, any comments for regarding your abstention? ←
15:46:28 <dcharbon2> LukeWM: Not really, I'm not familiar with all of the issues
Luke Wilson-Mawer: Not really, I'm not familiar with all of the issues ←
15:46:47 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Maybe we shouldn't pass this resolution today
Axel Polleres: Maybe we shouldn't pass this resolution today ←
15:47:06 <dcharbon2> LukeWM: Thinks LeeF may have been involved in the original resolution
Luke Wilson-Mawer: Thinks LeeF may have been involved in the original resolution ←
15:47:18 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: yes, everyone at f2f 2 had been a part of it.
Axel Polleres: yes, everyone at f2f 2 had been a part of it. ←
15:47:36 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: we have a resolution, we could close the issue. However, we could propose this new resolution next week
Axel Polleres: we have a resolution, we could close the issue. However, we could propose this new resolution next week ←
15:47:49 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: will take this to email and suggest this for resolution next time
Axel Polleres: will take this to email and suggest this for resolution next time ←
15:47:51 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel will take this on email and suggest the resolution for next TC.
ACTION: axel will take this on email and suggest the resolution for next TC. ←
15:47:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-181 - Will take this on email and suggest the resolution for next TC. [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-19].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-181 - Will take this on email and suggest the resolution for next TC. [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-19]. ←
15:48:13 <AxelPolleres> Close ISSUE-27 by resolution of F2F2
Axel Polleres: Close ISSUE-27 by resolution of F2F2 ←
15:48:56 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: next issue was issue-45, insert and delete update to be nested inside select queries. Andy and Paul were heavily objec ting
Axel Polleres: next issue was ISSUE-45, insert and delete update to be nested inside select queries. Andy and Paul were heavily objec ting ←
15:49:22 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: I agree. Would propose to close with it's not allowed
Axel Polleres: I agree. Would propose to close with it's not allowed ←
15:49:24 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-45 with the understanding that nesting of updates is not allowed.
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-45 with the understanding that nesting of updates is not allowed. ←
15:49:30 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Any objections?
Axel Polleres: Any objections? ←
15:49:32 <pgearon> +1
Paul Gearon: +1 ←
15:49:33 <AxelPolleres> +1 for Orri
Axel Polleres: +1 for Orri ←
15:49:42 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
15:49:44 <chimezie> +1
Chimezie Ogbuji: +1 ←
15:49:47 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
15:49:53 <AlexPassant> +1
Alexandre Passant: +1 ←
15:49:59 <MattPerry> +1
Matthew Perry: +1 ←
15:50:21 <dcharbon2> AndyS: wording of the proposal is a bit loose, issue is the nesting of update inside queries
Andy Seaborne: wording of the proposal is a bit loose, issue is the nesting of update inside queries ←
15:50:23 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-45 with the understanding that nesting of updates inside queries is not allowed.
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-45 with the understanding that nesting of updates inside queries is not allowed. ←
15:50:32 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
15:50:33 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:50:34 <kasei> +1
Gregory Williams: +1 ←
15:50:37 <dcharbon2> +1
+1 ←
15:50:37 <Souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
15:50:39 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
15:50:39 <pgearon> +!
Paul Gearon: +! ←
15:50:42 <pgearon> +1
Paul Gearon: +1 ←
15:50:52 <LukeWM> +1
Luke Wilson-Mawer: +1 ←
15:50:56 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-45 with the understanding that nesting of updates inside queries is not allowed.
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-45 with the understanding that nesting of updates inside queries is not allowed. ←
15:51:11 <AxelPolleres> close ISSUE-45 with the understanding that nesting of updates inside queries is not allowed
Axel Polleres: close ISSUE-45 with the understanding that nesting of updates inside queries is not allowed ←
15:51:25 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: the next issue on the list is ISSUE-24:
Axel Polleres: the next issue on the list is ISSUE-24: ←
15:51:37 <dcharbon2> ... Can data be SELECTed from one graph and INSERTed into another (moved)
... Can data be SELECTed from one graph and INSERTed into another (moved) ←
15:51:37 <trackbot> ISSUE-24 Move data between graphs (select on one graph and insert into another... copy from/to) notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-24 Move data between graphs (select on one graph and insert into another... copy from/to) notes added ←
15:52:13 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: In current working draft this is possible
Axel Polleres: In current working draft this is possible ←
15:52:16 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-24 with the understanding moving is possible with the DELETE/INSERT construct in the
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-24 with the understanding moving is possible with the DELETE/INSERT construct in the ←
15:52:16 <AxelPolleres> current SPARQL1.1/Update WD.
Axel Polleres: current SPARQL1.1/Update WD. ←
15:52:55 <dcharbon2> +1
+1 ←
15:52:55 <pgearon> +1
Paul Gearon: +1 ←
15:52:59 <AndyS> 0
Andy Seaborne: 0 ←
15:53:10 <AlexPassant> +1
Alexandre Passant: +1 ←
15:53:21 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Closing or wording that you're objecting to?
Axel Polleres: Closing or wording that you're objecting to? ←
15:53:33 <OlivierCorby> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
15:53:44 <dcharbon2> AndyS: worried that we haven't provided a way to perform a common operation
Andy Seaborne: worried that we haven't provided a way to perform a common operation ←
15:54:15 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: isn't this the same as issue that we may need more sophisticated update operations?
Axel Polleres: isn't this the same as issue that we may need more sophisticated update operations? ←
15:54:19 <dcharbon2> AndyS: yes, the two overlap
Andy Seaborne: yes, the two overlap ←
15:54:23 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-24 with the understanding moving is possible with the DELETE/INSERT construct in the current SPARQL1.1/Update WD.
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-24 with the understanding moving is possible with the DELETE/INSERT construct in the current SPARQL1.1/Update WD. ←
15:54:35 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Since you abstained and issue-21 is open, can we resolve?
Axel Polleres: Since you abstained and ISSUE-21 is open, can we resolve? ←
15:54:39 <dcharbon2> AndyS: yes, I think so
Andy Seaborne: yes, I think so ←
15:55:04 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: other issues are 28, 37, 38 please bring to email
Axel Polleres: other issues are 28, 37, 38 please bring to email ←
15:55:18 <AndyS> Issue 21 is closed
Andy Seaborne: ISSUE-21 is closed ←
15:55:22 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: there was some discussion around issue-20, need to return to it
Axel Polleres: there was some discussion around ISSUE-20, need to return to it ←
15:55:48 <pgearon> I thought issue 38 was worth talking about now. There doesn't seem to be controversy around it
Paul Gearon: I thought ISSUE-38 was worth talking about now. There doesn't seem to be controversy around it ←
15:56:02 <dcharbon2> I see it as closed too
I see it as closed too ←
15:56:18 <dcharbon2> May 7, 2009
May 7, 2009 ←
15:56:41 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Was closed because there were no concrete proposals for that round
Axel Polleres: Was closed because there were no concrete proposals for that round ←
15:57:01 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: if there are no concrete proposals, rather leave things out in that round
Axel Polleres: if there are no concrete proposals, rather leave things out in that round ←
15:58:10 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Paul, you want to talk more about issue 38?
Axel Polleres: Paul, you want to talk more about ISSUE-38? ←
15:58:26 <dcharbon2> pgearon: Yes, this is about a standard pattern matching feature in a where clause
Paul Gearon: Yes, this is about a standard pattern matching feature in a where clause ←
15:58:43 <dcharbon2> pgearon: left it open to be sure that there aren't issues I'm not aware of
Paul Gearon: left it open to be sure that there aren't issues I'm not aware of ←
15:59:06 <dcharbon2> pgearon: make sure everyone else agrees with it's just standard pattern matching
Paul Gearon: make sure everyone else agrees with it's just standard pattern matching ←
15:59:20 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres:
15:59:34 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Would be at risk by current definition of issue-27
Axel Polleres: Would be at risk by current definition of ISSUE-27 ←
16:00:11 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: not sure we can pass a resolution on issue-38 now, is covered by the resolution of issue-24 perhaps?
Axel Polleres: not sure we can pass a resolution on ISSUE-38 now, is covered by the resolution of ISSUE-24 perhaps? ←
16:00:24 <kasei> Before we finish, LeeF asked me to bring up test cases: "we need test cases, what should we do?"
Gregory Williams: Before we finish, LeeF asked me to bring up test cases: "we need test cases, what should we do?" ←
16:00:27 <kasei> Just something to think about.
Gregory Williams: Just something to think about. ←
16:00:27 <ivanh> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:00:30 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Suggest to run that through email
Axel Polleres: Suggest to run that through email ←
16:00:41 <ivanh> greg
Ivan Herman: greg ←
16:00:47 <ivanh> zakim, unmute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me ←
16:00:47 <Zakim> IvanH was not muted, ivanh
Zakim IRC Bot: IvanH was not muted, ivanh ←
16:00:58 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to summarise status of update issues per email
ACTION: Axel to summarise status of update issues per email ←
16:00:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-182 - Summarise status of update issues per email [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-19].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-182 - Summarise status of update issues per email [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-19]. ←
16:01:21 <dcharbon2> ivanh: Lee sent out an email about who might be at semtech. Please answer, we might propose to have a panel as we did previously
Ivan Herman: Lee sent out an email about who might be at semtech. Please answer, we might propose to have a panel as we did previously ←
16:01:33 <dcharbon2> ivanh: need to know if there will be enough people to do that
Ivan Herman: need to know if there will be enough people to do that ←
16:02:01 <dcharbon2> kasei: Talking with LeeF, about test cases. Need to start thinking about that and perhaps cover in a future call?
Gregory Williams: Talking with LeeF, about test cases. Need to start thinking about that and perhaps cover in a future call? ←
16:02:08 <AndyS> +1 to starting to gather test cases
Andy Seaborne: +1 to starting to gather test cases ←
16:02:16 <kasei> yes, thanks ivanh.
Gregory Williams: yes, thanks ivanh. ←
16:02:33 <ivanh> bye everybody
Ivan Herman: bye everybody ←
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16:02:35 <bglimm> bye
Birte Glimm: bye ←
16:02:37 <ivanh> zakim, drop me
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←
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Zakim IRC Bot: IvanH is being disconnected ←
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16:02:42 <AndyS> ADJOURNED
Andy Seaborne: ADJOURNED ←
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16:04:50 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public ←
16:13:25 <AxelPolleres> Summary for next time: We need to (1) resolve on publication for protocol and update, (2) we should talk about publishing process/schedule (probably just among team/chairs) (3) we should continue on the update issues, (4) we have discussion of comments open (some unresponded really old ones) (5) we have to talk about test cases (6) Andy raised the question of a new Overview document... thanks everybody!
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Axel Polleres: Summary for next time: We need to (1) resolve on publication for protocol and update, (2) we should talk about publishing process/schedule (probably just among team/chairs) (3) we should continue on the update issues, (4) we have discussion of comments open (some unresponded really old ones) (5) we have to talk about test cases (6) Andy raised the question of a new Overview document... thanks everybody! ←
16:13:44 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public ←
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