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<LeeF> Present: Lee, OlivierCorby, TommiK, MattPerry, ivanh, Orri, chimezie, pgearon, Sandro, AxelPolleres, alexpassant, bglimm, souri, dcharbon2, kasei 14:49:16 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference 14:49:16 <trackbot> Date: 19 January 2010 14:49:17 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes 14:49:19 <LeeF> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-01-19 14:49:23 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF 14:49:27 <LeeF> Regrets: AndyS, SteveH, LukeWM 14:51:16 <LeeF> Scribenick: OlivierCorby 15:05:16 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-01-19 15:05:26 <LeeF> topic: Admin 15:05:38 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-01-12 15:06:24 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-01-12 15:07:33 <LeeF> Next meeting: 2010-01-26 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST TommiK to scribe, ivanhH to chair 15:08:00 <LeeF> Regrets next two weeks from Souri 15:08:51 <Zakim> -alexpassant 15:09:47 <alexpassant_> alexpassant_ has joined #sparql 15:09:57 <AxelPolleres> Orri: reporting about RDB2RDF, different approaches, nothing yet touching immediately on SPARQL 15:10:19 <Souri> Souri has joined #sparql 15:10:26 <AxelPolleres> ... main question how mapppings will be expressed. 15:11:08 <OlivierCorby> AxelPolleres: RIF 15:11:40 <OlivierCorby> ...Room to import RIF 15:11:54 <OlivierCorby> ...Semantics for SPARQL RIF 15:12:20 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments 15:13:26 <LeeF> topic: Document publication decisions 15:13:45 <OlivierCorby> LeeF: look at publishing Update and Protocol 15:14:28 <OlivierCorby> ... still an open issue about Return value for update 15:14:50 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/ 15:14:59 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: open issues relate protocol vs update, e.g. return values. 15:15:15 <OlivierCorby> LeeF: comments have been addressed 15:15:38 <LeeF> PROPOSED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/ plus new WSDL and Types files as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-protocol/ 15:16:09 <ivanh> +1 15:16:11 <pgearon> seconded 15:16:14 <bglimm> +1 15:16:16 <OlivierCorby> +1 15:16:28 <alexpassant> +1 for DERI 15:16:49 <AxelPolleres> +1 15:16:57 <dcharbon2> +1 15:16:59 <LeeF> RESOLVED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/ plus new WSDL and Types files as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-protocol/ 15:17:40 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml 15:18:54 <Souri> I just sent couple of minor comments: 1) change "unnamed graph" to "default graph"? and 2) [typo] provdided => provided 15:20:28 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/51 15:23:06 <AxelPolleres> happy to publish! 15:23:35 <LeeF> PROPOSED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/ + note on ISSUE 51 as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-update/ 15:23:58 <ivanh> +1 15:24:01 <bglimm> +1 15:24:02 <dcharbon2> +1 15:24:11 <OlivierCorby> +1 15:24:16 <LeeF> RESOLVED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/ + note on ISSUE 51 as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-update/ 15:25:15 <ivanh> publication dates are tu and thu 15:25:33 <ivanh> zakim, unmute me 15:25:33 <Zakim> ivanh should no longer be muted 15:25:36 <ivanh> q+ 15:26:34 <AxelPolleres> q+ 15:26:36 <LeeF> ack ivanh 15:28:14 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres 15:29:12 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules 15:30:40 <OlivierCorby> LeeF: Need to check docs wrt pubrules 15:31:09 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me 15:31:09 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted 15:31:12 <bglimm> ok for me [ed-- to involve editors in publication process (LeeF scribe assist)] 15:31:15 <dcharbon2> ok for me 15:31:24 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to do a first check on pubrules on Thurday and chases up editors for non-trivial fixes if necessary 15:31:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-183 - Do a first check on pubrules on Thurday and chases up editors for non-trivial fixes if necessary [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-26]. 15:31:26 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me 15:31:26 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted 15:31:30 <LeeF> topic: SemTech Panel Update 15:33:01 <alexpassant> might be here (submitting proposals so it depends on their acceptance) 15:33:07 <chimezie> Not certain, still looking into it 15:33:13 <OlivierCorby> LeeF: Paul and Andy will be at SemTech 15:35:18 <OlivierCorby> LeeF: Test suite / test cases 15:35:54 <OlivierCorby> ...Discussion next week, think about it 15:36:29 <Zakim> -alexpassant 15:36:32 <LeeF> topic: Overview document 15:36:57 <alexpassant_> alexpassant_ has joined #sparql 15:37:17 <Zakim> +??P7 15:37:24 <alexpassant> zakim, ??P7 is me 15:37:24 <Zakim> +alexpassant; got it 15:38:34 <chimezie> hehe 15:39:19 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to work with Axel to put together an overview document for SPARQL 1.1 15:39:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-184 - Work with Axel to put together an overview document for SPARQL 1.1 [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2010-01-26]. 15:39:57 <LeeF> topic: update issues 15:40:10 <Zakim> -Orri 15:43:44 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me 15:43:47 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted 15:46:08 <OlivierCorby> ISSUE-27 - Expressivity of SPARQL 1.1 Update WHERE clauses 15:47:44 <LeeF> PROPOSED: To resolve ISSUE-27 in favor of SPARQL 1.1 Update WHERE clauses having the full expressivity of SPARQL 1.1 Query, noting that the WG will monitor implementation experience in this regard 15:47:58 <chimezie> Second 15:48:13 <LeeF> RESOLVED: To resolve ISSUE-27 in favor of SPARQL 1.1 Update WHERE clauses having the full expressivity of SPARQL 1.1 Query, noting that the WG will monitor implementation experience in this regard 15:48:17 <AxelPolleres> +1 15:48:23 <LeeF> ISSUE-27: RESOLVED: To resolve ISSUE-27 in favor of SPARQL 1.1 Update WHERE clauses having the full expressivity of SPARQL 1.1 Query, noting that the WG will monitor implementation experience in this regard 15:48:23 <trackbot> ISSUE-27 Subqueries in Update operations, full expressivity notes added 15:48:24 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me 15:48:24 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji was not muted, chimezie 15:48:39 <LeeF> trackbot, close ISSUE-27 15:48:39 <trackbot> ISSUE-27 Subqueries in Update operations, full expressivity closed 15:49:07 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/25 15:49:56 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-25 with no change, noting that this is *allowed* by the definition of INSERT in the current SPARQL1.1 Update WD. 15:50:18 <AxelPolleres> +1 15:50:34 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-25 with no change, noting that this is *allowed* by the definition of INSERT in the current SPARQL1.1 Update WD. 15:50:47 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/38 15:51:06 <LeeF> ISSUE-25: RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-25 with no change, noting that this is *allowed* by the definition of INSERT in the current SPARQL1.1 Update WD. 15:51:06 <trackbot> ISSUE-25 Dynamic graph (variable) for INTO graph to update/modify notes added 15:51:13 <LeeF> trackbot, close ISSUE-25 15:51:13 <trackbot> ISSUE-25 Dynamic graph (variable) for INTO graph to update/modify closed 15:51:22 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/38 15:51:51 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-38 with no change, noting that this is covered by the resolution of ISSUE-27 already. 15:52:00 <OlivierCorby> LeeF: relationship between property paths and SPARQL/Update 15:52:06 <AxelPolleres> +1 15:52:24 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-38 with no change, noting that this is covered by the resolution of ISSUE-27 already. 15:52:32 <LeeF> ISSUE-38: RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-38 with no change, noting that this is covered by the resolution of ISSUE-27 already. 15:52:32 <trackbot> ISSUE-38 How do property paths interact with SPARQL/Update? notes added 15:52:37 <LeeF> trackbot, close ISSUE-38 15:52:37 <trackbot> ISSUE-38 How do property paths interact with SPARQL/Update? closed 15:55:37 <OlivierCorby> LeeF: issue 51 is about scoping update query with graph pattern 15:56:48 <Souri> I agree that we need to be very clear on this issue about the universe: what constitute the "default graph" and what are the named graphs. 15:57:35 <chimezie> +1 15:58:28 <AxelPolleres> q+ to ask whether you miss the ability to merge? Otherwise you could also FILTER on ?g ? 15:58:44 <dcharbon2> q+ 16:00:29 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres 16:00:29 <Zakim> AxelPolleres, you wanted to ask whether you miss the ability to merge? Otherwise you could also FILTER on ?g ? 16:00:40 <chimezie> This capability is very important for us and generally I agree we should have parity with capabilities now and as they will be with regards to controlling granularity of managing graphs 16:02:28 <sandro> We're overtime. Gotta go. 16:06:04 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended 16:06:06 <Zakim> Attendees were ivanh, LeeF, +49.238.aaaa, +1.518.276.aabb, kasei, MattPerry, bglimm, Sandro, dcharbon2, +035840564aaee, +1.312.863.aaff, pgearon, OlivierCorby, tommik, 16:06:11 <Zakim> ... Chimezie_Ogbuji, Orri, +03539149aagg, AxelPolleres, alexpassant, +1.603.897.aahh, Souri 16:09:13 <OlivierCorby> OlivierCorby has left #sparql 16:09:18 <alexpassant> alexpassant has left #sparql # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. DO NOT EDIT THIS LINE OR BELOW. 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