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14:49:15 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
14:49:15 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
14:49:15 <LeeF> zakim, this will be SPARQL
14:49:16 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:49:16 <trackbot> Date: 19 January 2010
14:49:17 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
14:49:19 <LeeF> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-01-19
14:49:23 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
14:49:27 <LeeF> Regrets: SteveH
14:49:32 <LeeF> OlivierCorby, are you able to scribe today?
14:50:05 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
14:50:05 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
14:50:06 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started
14:50:07 <Zakim> +Ivan
14:50:32 <OlivierCorby> Yes let's try
14:51:11 <LeeF> thanks!
14:51:16 <LeeF> Scribenick: OlivierCorby
14:51:25 <LeeF> ISSUE-51: See also http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JanMar/0165.html and following thread
14:51:25 <trackbot> ISSUE-51 Shall dataset clauses be allowed in SPARQL/update? notes added
14:53:35 <Zakim> +Lee_Feigenbaum
14:53:48 <LeeF> zakim, Lee_Feigenbaum is me
14:53:48 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it
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14:56:48 <Zakim> + +49.238.aaaa
14:57:38 <OlivierCorby> 49.238.aaaa is OlivierCorby
14:58:12 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aabb
14:58:17 <kasei> Zakim, aabb is me
14:58:17 <Zakim> +kasei; got it
14:58:25 <Zakim> +??P18
14:58:37 <kasei> Zakim, mute me
14:58:37 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted
14:58:56 <MattPerry> zakim, ??P18 is me
14:58:56 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it
14:59:13 <Zakim> + +1.919.543.aacc
14:59:29 <dcharbon2>  Zakim, 1.919.543.aacc is me
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15:00:00 <Zakim> + +0186528aadd
15:00:11 <bglimm> Zakim, +0186528aadd is me
15:00:11 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
15:00:15 <Zakim> +Sandro
15:00:20 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
15:00:20 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
15:00:59 <dcharbon2> Zakim, +1.919.543.aacc is me
15:01:15 <Zakim> +dcharbon2; got it
15:01:21 <dcharbon2> Zakim, mute me
15:01:27 <Zakim> + +035840564aaee
15:01:29 <Zakim> dcharbon2 should now be muted
15:01:33 <Zakim> + +1.312.863.aaff
15:01:49 <pgearon> Zakim, aaff is me
15:01:49 <Zakim> +pgearon; got it
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15:02:31 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:02:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, LeeF, +49.238.aaaa, kasei (muted), MattPerry, dcharbon2 (muted), bglimm (muted), Sandro, +035840564aaee, pgearon
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15:02:50 <LeeF> zakim, aaaa is OlivierCorby
15:02:53 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby; got it
15:03:00 <chimezie> Zakim, what is the passcode?
15:03:00 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie
15:03:01 <tommik> zakim, +035840564aae is me
15:03:03 <Zakim> +tommik; got it
15:03:26 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:04:03 <Zakim> +??P41
15:04:06 <LeeF> -> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-01-12
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15:04:18 <LeeF> zakim, ??P41 is Orri
15:04:18 <Zakim> +Orri; got it
15:04:42 <Zakim> + +03539149aagg
15:04:51 <LeeF> zakim, aagg is AxelPolleres
15:04:51 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres; got it
15:05:16 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-01-19
15:05:16 <Zakim> +??P46
15:05:19 <alexpassant> Zakim, ??P46 is me
15:05:21 <Zakim> +alexpassant; got it
15:05:26 <LeeF> topic: Admin
15:05:38 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-01-12
15:06:00 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aahh
15:06:24 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-01-12
15:06:46 <LeeF> zakim, aahh is Souri
15:06:46 <Zakim> +Souri; got it
15:07:33 <LeeF> Next meeting: 2010-01-26 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST TommiK to scribe, IvanH to chair
15:08:00 <LeeF> Regrets next two weeks from Souri
15:08:19 <AxelPolleres> who's scribing?
15:08:27 <OlivierCorby> I try
15:08:51 <Zakim> -alexpassant
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15:09:57 <AxelPolleres> Orri: reporting about RDB2RDF, different approaches, nothing yet touching immediately on SPARQL
15:10:19 <Souri> Souri has joined #sparql
15:10:26 <AxelPolleres> ... main question how mapppings will be expressed.
15:10:30 <Zakim> +??P51
15:10:32 <Zakim> -??P51
15:10:54 <Zakim> +??P51
15:10:55 <alexpassant> Zakim, ??P51 is me
15:10:55 <Zakim> +alexpassant; got it
15:11:08 <OlivierCorby> RIF
15:11:40 <OlivierCorby> Room to import RIF
15:11:54 <OlivierCorby> Semantics for SPARQL RIF
15:12:20 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments
15:13:26 <LeeF> topic: Document publication decisions
15:13:45 <OlivierCorby> Update and Protocol
15:14:28 <OlivierCorby> Return value for update
15:14:50 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/
15:14:59 <AxelPolleres> Lee: open issues relate protocol vs update, e.g. return values. 
15:15:15 <OlivierCorby> comments have been addressed
15:15:38 <LeeF> PROPOSED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/ plus new WSDL and Types files as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-protocol/
15:16:09 <ivan> +1
15:16:11 <pgearon> seconded
15:16:14 <bglimm> +1
15:16:16 <OlivierCorby> +1
15:16:28 <alexpassant> +1 for DERI
15:16:49 <AxelPolleres> +1
15:16:57 <dcharbon2> +1
15:16:59 <LeeF> RESOLVED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/ plus new WSDL and Types files as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-protocol/
15:17:25 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/
15:17:40 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml
15:18:41 <LeeF> zakim, who's taking?
15:18:41 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, LeeF.
15:18:43 <LeeF> zakim, who's talking?
15:18:54 <Souri> I just sent couple of minor comments: 1) change "unnamed graph" to "default graph"? and 2) [typo] provdided => provided
15:18:55 <Zakim> LeeF, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ivan (28%), pgearon (42%), Chimezie_Ogbuji (5%)
15:19:07 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
15:19:07 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted
15:19:14 <ivan> zakim, mute me
15:19:14 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
15:20:28 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/51
15:23:06 <AxelPolleres> happy to publish!
15:23:35 <LeeF> PROPOSED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/ + note on ISSUE 51 as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-update/
15:23:58 <ivan> +1
15:24:01 <bglimm> +1
15:24:02 <dcharbon2> +1
15:24:11 <OlivierCorby> +1
15:24:16 <LeeF> RESOLVED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/ + note on ISSUE 51 as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-update/
15:25:15 <ivan> publication dates are tu and thu
15:25:33 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
15:25:33 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
15:25:36 <ivan> q+
15:26:34 <AxelPolleres> q+ 
15:26:36 <LeeF> ack ivan
15:28:14 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres
15:29:12 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules
15:30:40 <OlivierCorby> Need to check docs wrt pubrules
15:31:09 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
15:31:09 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted
15:31:12 <bglimm> ok for me
15:31:15 <dcharbon2> ok for me
15:31:24 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to do a first check on pubrules on Thurday and chases up editors for non-trivial fixes if necessary 
15:31:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-183 - Do a first check on pubrules on Thurday and chases up editors for non-trivial fixes if necessary  [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-26].
15:31:26 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
15:31:26 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted
15:31:30 <LeeF> topic: SemTech Panel Update
15:33:01 <alexpassant> might be here (submitting proposals so it depends on their acceptance)
15:33:07 <chimezie> Not certain, still looking into it
15:33:13 <OlivierCorby> Paul and Andy will be there
15:35:18 <OlivierCorby> Test suite / test cases 
15:35:54 <OlivierCorby> Discussion next week, think about it
15:36:29 <Zakim> -alexpassant
15:36:32 <LeeF> topic: Overview document
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15:37:17 <Zakim> +??P7
15:37:24 <alexpassant> zakim, ??P7 is me
15:37:24 <Zakim> +alexpassant; got it
15:38:34 <chimezie> hehe
15:39:19 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to work with Axel to put together an overview document for SPARQL 1.1
15:39:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-184 - Work with Axel to put together an overview document for SPARQL 1.1 [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2010-01-26].
15:39:57 <LeeF> topic: update issues
15:40:10 <Zakim> -Orri
15:43:44 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
15:43:47 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted
15:46:08 <OlivierCorby> ISSUE-27 - Expressivity of SPARQL 1.1 Update WHERE clauses
15:47:44 <LeeF> PROPOSED: To resolve ISSUE-27 in favor of SPARQL 1.1 Update WHERE clauses having the full expressivity of SPARQL 1.1 Query, noting that the WG will monitor implementation experience in this regard
15:47:58 <chimezie> Second
15:48:13 <LeeF> RESOLVED: To resolve ISSUE-27 in favor of SPARQL 1.1 Update WHERE clauses having the full expressivity of SPARQL 1.1 Query, noting that the WG will monitor implementation experience in this regard
15:48:17 <AxelPolleres> +1
15:48:23 <LeeF> ISSUE-27: RESOLVED: To resolve ISSUE-27 in favor of SPARQL 1.1 Update WHERE clauses having the full expressivity of SPARQL 1.1 Query, noting that the WG will monitor implementation experience in this regard
15:48:23 <trackbot> ISSUE-27 Subqueries in Update operations, full expressivity notes added
15:48:24 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
15:48:24 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji was not muted, chimezie
15:48:39 <LeeF> trackbot, close ISSUE-27
15:48:39 <trackbot> ISSUE-27 Subqueries in Update operations, full expressivity closed
15:49:07 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/25
15:49:56 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-25 with no change, noting that this is *allowed* by the definition of INSERT in the current SPARQL1.1 Update WD.
15:50:18 <AxelPolleres> +1
15:50:34 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-25 with no change, noting that this is *allowed* by the definition of INSERT in the current SPARQL1.1 Update WD.
15:50:47 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/38
15:51:06 <LeeF> ISSUE-25:  RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-25 with no change, noting that this is *allowed* by the definition of INSERT in the current SPARQL1.1 Update WD.
15:51:06 <trackbot> ISSUE-25 Dynamic graph (variable) for INTO graph to update/modify notes added
15:51:13 <LeeF> trackbot, close ISSUE-25
15:51:13 <trackbot> ISSUE-25 Dynamic graph (variable) for INTO graph to update/modify closed
15:51:22 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/38
15:51:51 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-38 with no change, noting that this is covered by the resolution of ISSUE-27 already. 
15:52:00 <OlivierCorby> property paths and SPARQL/Update
15:52:06 <AxelPolleres> +1
15:52:24 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-38 with no change, noting that this is covered by the resolution of ISSUE-27 already. 
15:52:32 <LeeF> ISSUE-38:  RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-38 with no change, noting that this is covered by the resolution of ISSUE-27 already. 
15:52:32 <trackbot> ISSUE-38 How do property paths interact with SPARQL/Update? notes added
15:52:37 <LeeF> trackbot, close ISSUE-38
15:52:37 <trackbot> ISSUE-38 How do property paths interact with SPARQL/Update? closed
15:55:37 <OlivierCorby> scoping update query with graph pattern
15:56:48 <Souri> I agree that we need to be very clear on this issue about the universe: what constitute the "default graph" and what are the named graphs.
15:57:35 <chimezie> +1
15:58:28 <AxelPolleres> q+ to ask whether you miss the ability to merge? Otherwise you could also FILTER on ?g ?
15:58:44 <dcharbon2> q+
16:00:29 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres
16:00:29 <Zakim> AxelPolleres, you wanted to ask whether you miss the ability to merge? Otherwise you could also FILTER on ?g ?
16:00:40 <chimezie> This capability is very important for us and generally I agree we should have parity with capabilities now and as they will be with regards to controlling granularity of managing graphs
16:02:28 <sandro> We're overtime.  Gotta go.
16:03:00 <Zakim> -Sandro
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16:03:17 <LeeF> ack dcharbon2
16:03:19 <dcharbon2> zakim, unmute me
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16:03:35 <Zakim> -Ivan
16:04:00 <AxelPolleres> need to run... 
16:04:06 <Zakim> dcharbon2 was not muted, dcharbon2
16:04:24 <dcharbon2> Zakim, mute me
16:04:45 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
16:04:57 <Zakim> dcharbon2 should now be muted
16:05:16 <Zakim> -Souri
16:05:22 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
16:05:24 <bglimm> bye
16:05:27 <Zakim> -MattPerry
16:05:40 <pgearon> bye
16:05:42 <Zakim> -alexpassant
16:05:44 <Zakim> -LeeF
16:05:49 <Zakim> -pgearon
16:05:50 <Zakim> -bglimm
16:05:55 <Zakim> -dcharbon2
16:06:00 <Zakim> -kasei
16:06:00 <LeeF> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:06:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/19-sparql-minutes.html LeeF
16:06:03 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby
16:06:04 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended
16:06:06 <Zakim> Attendees were Ivan, LeeF, +49.238.aaaa, +1.518.276.aabb, kasei, MattPerry, bglimm, Sandro, dcharbon2, +035840564aaee, +1.312.863.aaff, pgearon, OlivierCorby, tommik,
16:06:11 <Zakim> ... Chimezie_Ogbuji, Orri, +03539149aagg, AxelPolleres, alexpassant, +1.603.897.aahh, Souri
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17:39:13 <SteveH> congrats on resolving to publish guys :)
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