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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
12 Oct 2017
[2]Agenda
[2]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Oct/0006.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-irc
Attendees
Present
Bert, Richard, Fuqiao, Steve, Addison
Regrets
Jan, JcK
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
addison
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Agenda
2. [6]Action Items
3. [7]Info Share
4. [8]Radar
5. [9]String-Meta
6. [10]Behnam's comments on UTR 53
7. [11]Working with Unicode experts
8. [12]AOB?
* [13]Summary of Action Items
* [14]Summary of Resolutions
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Agenda
richard: moving string-meta to first public
Action Items
[15]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
[15] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
action-660?
<trackbot> action-660 -- Richard Ishida to Raise comment
against utr53 asking for clarity about what they are trying to
do -- due 2017-10-12 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[16]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/660
[16] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/660
richard: did that
close action-660
<trackbot> Closed action-660.
richard: there was a response on edcom
... and my comment is in the PRI
<r12a> [17]https://www.unicode.org/review/pri359/
[17] https://www.unicode.org/review/pri359/
action-661?
<trackbot> action-661 -- Richard Ishida to Send
[18]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/488 to
intersection observer group -- due 2017-10-12 -- OPEN
[18] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/488
<trackbot>
[19]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/661
[19] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/661
close action-661
<trackbot> Closed action-661.
Info Share
addison: IUC41 next week. teleconference?
Agreed: we will hold a telecon next week
Radar
[20]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
[20] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
<scribe> ACTION: addison: review DNT and sent an all-clear
status to that WG unless something found [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[21] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action01
<trackbot> Created ACTION-662 - Review dnt and sent an
all-clear status to that wg unless something found [on Addison
Phillips - due 2017-10-19].
[22]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
[22] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
<scribe> ACTION: addison: remind all to review charmod for
status for next week, set agenda item for working to promote to
next status next telecon [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[23] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action02
<trackbot> Created ACTION-663 - Remind all to review charmod
for status for next week, set agenda item for working to
promote to next status next telecon [on Addison Phillips - due
2017-10-19].
richard: we should prep new encoding, will be substantive
... and work on moving to req
... dropping off a snapshot
addison: follow html and do dot releases?
richard: figure out possibilities
... scenario is, when publish req version, keep a WD and move
into CR asap
... and just track
... new urls for "latest version"
... thanks to Fuqiao, clreq making progress
... did a quick gap analysis report
... ALreq also working on one
String-Meta
richard: I think we might want to make a FPWD
... but probably needs a bit more text first
<scribe> ACTION: addison: produce updated string-meta with
additional text needed for FPWD by 2 weeks [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[24] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action03
<trackbot> Created ACTION-664 - Produce updated string-meta
with additional text needed for fpwd by 2 weeks [on Addison
Phillips - due 2017-10-19].
Behnam's comments on UTR 53
[25]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017O
ct/0007.html
[25]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Oct/0007.html
<r12a> [26]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/499
[26] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/499
[27]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/497
[27] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/497
richard: behnam wanted to send sooner rather than later
... 499, UTR says how to reorder for rendering
... wouldn't it be better to have something like "rendering
pre-order algorithms"
... with a chapter on arabic and others in the future
addison: interesting observation. maybe not WG?
richard: want to track
[28]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/497
[28] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/497
richard: doc says "this is useful to prep for rendering"
... but also says "could be useful for backspacing"
... might delete grapheme clusters, for example
... backspace, vowel sign and shadda
... base-vowel-shadda, ordering reversed in utr53
... so if you backspace, even though sequence base-vowel-sh but
you want to delete vowel first
addison: just a happy side effect?
richard: behnam pointing out that this is just one potential
text function that might use
steve: leads to unexpected results, new behavior?
richard: you'd type like base-sh-vowel
... but normalize as above
steve: what about cursoring?
richard: all one grapheme cluster... hmm...
addison: in or out problem: here's an algo. useful for this.
might be useful "for other things"
... what are unicode's intentions?
richard: did they think through?
addison: forward?
steve: okay
richard: okay
<scribe> ACTION: richard: get behnam to forward 497 to the
UTR53 PRI [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
[29] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action04
<trackbot> Created ACTION-665 - Get behnam to forward 497 to
the utr53 pri [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-10-19].
Working with Unicode experts
richard: have the matrix thing
<r12a>
[30]http://w3c.github.io/typography/gap-analysis/language-matri
x.html
[30] http://w3c.github.io/typography/gap-analysis/language-matrix.html
richard: looking for funding to support projects to find people
to work on specific set of languages
... make reports
... notwithstanding we get folks working on it
... always a need for experts to support our work
... have a bunch of outstanding questions not getting answers
at moment
<r12a> [31]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/textlayout/
[31] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/textlayout/
richard: type info request, no responses at the moment
... always has been/will be case
... be nice to have a better network
... unicode has a good network
... have lists
... have ISO committees
... submitting things like proposals
... wondering how we could get into similar situation
... work more closely with unicode??
... post to their mailing lists, maybe in return to cross
posting to ours?
... post digest to unicode list?
... casting about for ideas
richard: other ideas on ways to develop expert base?
<r12a> ACTION: addison to talk to unicode folks about ways to
cross-pollinate between our groups [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action06]
[32] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action06
<trackbot> Created ACTION-667 - Talk to unicode folks about
ways to cross-pollinate between our groups [on Addison Phillips
- due 2017-10-19].
richard: fuqiao, do you think we might get more interest in
china?
xfq: matrix work?
richard: many questions related to chinese
... see
http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/textlayout/?filter=type-info
-request
... great if we had more folks on ruby and text decoration and
such
... possibilities in china?
xfq: not quite familiar, discussed with angel
... reached out to stakeholders
... and national stds bodies
... some interest, but mostly very busy
interest, not commitment
richard: prepared to join a mailing list or something
... just for ad hoc opinions
... nothing structured
... just answering questions offhand
bert: must be folks in universities studying language
... they might have time if we knew how to contact them
... other idea is if we want to get answers, make into a game
or make attractive
... even virtual points
richard: send more tweets, I follow lots of folks who talk
about typography e.g.
bert: question of the month
richard: capturing those folks somehow, not just random?
... think more, send suggestions
addison: somewhere to capture ideas?
richard: wiki in our repo?
<scribe> ACTION: richard to set up wiki in our repo to capture
ideas for engaging folks with our questions [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action07]
[33] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action07
<trackbot> Created ACTION-668 - Set up wiki in our repo to
capture ideas for engaging folks with our questions [on Richard
Ishida - due 2017-10-19].
addison: will have in agenda next week
AOB?
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: addison to talk to unicode folks about ways to
cross-pollinate between our groups [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: produce updated string-meta with
additional text needed for FPWD by 2 weeks [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: remind all to review charmod for status
for next week, set agenda item for working to promote to next
status next telecon [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: review DNT and sent an all-clear status
to that WG unless something found [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: talk to unicode folks about ways to
cross-pollinate between our groups [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: richard to set up wiki in our repo to capture
ideas for engaging folks with our questions [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: get behnam to forward 497 to the UTR53
PRI [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
[34] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action06
[35] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action03
[36] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action02
[37] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action01
[38] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action05
[39] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action07
[40] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action04
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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