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14:52:25 <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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14:52:31 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:52:31 <trackbot> Date: 12 October 2017
14:52:48 <addison> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Oct/0006.html
14:52:52 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:52:57 <addison> ScribeNick: addison
14:53:10 <addison> agenda+ Agenda
14:53:15 <addison> agenda+ Action Items
14:53:18 <addison> agenda+ Info Share
14:53:21 <addison> agenda+ Radar
14:53:34 <addison> agenda+ accessKey in HTML
14:53:39 <addison> agenda+ String-Meta
14:53:57 <addison> agenda+ Behnam's comments on UTR 53
14:54:06 <addison> agenda+ Working with Unicode experts
14:54:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html addison
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15:01:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html addison_
15:01:25 <addison_> agenda?
15:05:39 <addison_> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:05:39 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Agenda" taken up [from addison]
15:05:42 <addison_> agenda?
15:06:31 <addison_> richard: moving string-meta to first public
15:07:03 <addison_> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:07:03 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Action Items" taken up [from addison]
15:07:44 <addison_> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:08:13 <addison_> action-660?
15:08:13 <trackbot> action-660 -- Richard Ishida to Raise comment against utr53 asking for clarity about what they are trying to do -- due 2017-10-12 -- OPEN
15:08:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/660
15:08:16 <addison_> richard: did that
15:08:24 <addison_> close action-660
15:08:24 <trackbot> Closed action-660.
15:08:33 <addison_> richard: there was a response on edcom
15:08:41 <addison_> ... and my comment is in the PRI
15:09:14 <r12a> https://www.unicode.org/review/pri359/
15:10:03 <addison_> action-661?
15:10:03 <trackbot> action-661 -- Richard Ishida to Send https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/488 to intersection observer group -- due 2017-10-12 -- OPEN
15:10:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/661
15:10:16 <addison_> close action-661`
15:10:16 <trackbot> Closed action-661.
15:10:25 <addison_> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:10:25 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Info Share" taken up [from addison]
15:10:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html addison_
15:11:08 <addison_> addison: IUC41 next week. teleconference?
15:12:00 <addison_> (telecon next week)
15:12:18 <addison_> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:12:18 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Radar" taken up [from addison]
15:12:25 <addison_> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
15:14:06 <Bert> present+
15:14:10 <addison_> action: addison: review DNT and sent an all-clear status to that WG unless something found
15:14:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-662 - Review dnt and sent an all-clear status to that wg unless something found [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-10-19].
15:15:40 <addison_> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
15:18:15 <addison_> action: addison: remind all to review charmod for status for next week, set agenda item for working to promote to next status next telecon
15:18:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-663 - Remind all to review charmod for status for next week, set agenda item for working to promote to next status next telecon [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-10-19].
15:19:00 <addison_> richard: we should prep new encoding, will be substantive
15:19:06 <addison_> ... and work on moving to req
15:19:14 <addison_> ... dropping off a snapshot
15:19:36 <addison_> addison: follow html and do dot releases?
15:19:43 <addison_> richard: figure out possibilities
15:20:12 <addison_> ... scenario is, when publish req version, keep a WD and move into CR asap
15:20:22 <addison_> ... and just track
15:20:40 <addison_> richard: new urls for "latest version"
15:21:56 <addison_> richard: thanks to Fuqiao, clreq making progress
15:22:02 <addison_> ... short gap analysis report
15:22:09 <addison_> ... ALreq also working on one
15:22:21 <addison_> agenda?
15:22:48 <addison_> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:22:48 <Zakim> agendum 6. "String-Meta" taken up [from addison]
15:23:01 <addison_> richard: I think we might want to make a FPWD
15:23:19 <addison_> ... but probably needs a bit more text first
15:25:05 <addison_> action: addison: produce updated string-meta with additional text needed for FPWD by 2 weeks
15:25:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-664 - Produce updated string-meta with additional text needed for fpwd by 2 weeks [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-10-19].
15:25:25 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:25:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html r12a
15:25:46 <addison_> zakim, take up agendum 7
15:25:46 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Behnam's comments on UTR 53" taken up [from addison]
15:26:09 <addison_> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Oct/0007.html
15:26:27 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/499
15:26:27 <addison_> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/497
15:27:24 <addison_> richard: behnam wanted to send sooner rather than later
15:27:46 <addison_> ... 499, UTR says how to reorder for rendering
15:28:03 <addison_> ... wouldn't it be better to have something like "rendering pre-order algorithms"
15:28:20 <addison_> ... with a chapter on arabic and others in the future
15:29:21 <addison_> addison: interesting observation. maybe not WG?
15:29:25 <addison_> richard: want to track
15:29:56 <addison_> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/497
15:30:22 <addison_> richard: doc says "this is useful to prep for rendering"
15:30:30 <addison_> ... but also says "could be useful for backspacing"
15:30:46 <addison_> ... might delete grapheme clusters, for example
15:30:59 <addison_> ... backspace, vowel sign and shadda
15:31:23 <addison_> ... base-vowel-shadda, ordering reversed in utr53
15:31:45 <addison_> ... so if you backspace, even though sequence base-vowel-sh but you want to delete vowel first
15:32:10 <addison_> addison: just a happy side effect?
15:32:30 <addison_> richard: behnam pointing out that this is just one potential text function that might use
15:33:04 <addison_> steve: leads to unexpected results, new behavior?
15:33:23 <addison_> richard: you'd type like base-sh-vowel
15:33:37 <addison_> ... but normalize as above
15:33:46 <addison_> steve: what about cursoring?
15:34:04 <addison_> richard: all one grapheme cluster... hmm...
15:34:57 <addison_> addison: in or out problem: here's an algo. useful for this. might be useful "for other things"
15:35:29 <addison_> ... what are unicode's intentions?
15:35:35 <addison_> richard: did they think through?
15:35:49 <addison_> addison: forward?
15:35:52 <addison_> steve: okay
15:35:59 <addison_> richard: okay
15:36:35 <addison_> action: richard: get behnam to forward 497 to the UTR53 PRI
15:36:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-665 - Get behnam to forward 497 to the utr53 pri [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-10-19].
15:36:41 <addison_> agenda?
15:36:56 <addison_> zakim, take up agendum 8
15:36:56 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Working with Unicode experts" taken up [from addison]
15:37:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html addison_
15:37:10 <addison_> richard: have the matrix thing
15:37:18 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/typography/gap-analysis/language-matrix.html
15:37:38 <addison_> richard: looking for funding to support projects to find people to work on specific set of languages
15:37:43 <addison_> ... make reports
15:37:54 <addison_> ... notwithstanding we get folks working on it
15:38:03 <addison_> ... always a need for experts to support our work
15:38:16 <addison_> ... have a bunch of outstanding questions not getting anwers at moment
15:38:25 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/textlayout/
15:38:26 <addison_> s/anwers/answers/
15:38:42 <addison_> richard: type info request, no responses at the moment
15:38:48 <addison_> ... always has been/will be case
15:38:55 <addison_> ... be nice to hage a better network
15:38:58 <addison_> s/hage/have/
15:39:06 <addison_> richard: unicode has a good network
15:39:10 <addison_> ... have lists
15:39:15 <addison_> ... have ISO committees
15:39:27 <addison_> ... submitting things like proposals
15:39:37 <addison_> ... wondering how we could get into similar situation
15:39:44 <addison_> ... work more closely with unicode??
15:40:00 <addison_> ... post to their mailing lists, maybe in return to cross posting to ours?
15:40:11 <addison_> ... post digest to unicode list?
15:40:19 <addison_> ... casting about for ideas
15:42:42 <addison_> action: addison: talk to unicode folks about ways to cross-pollinate between our groups
15:42:50 <trackbot> Error creating an ACTION: could not connect to Tracker.  Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what happened.
15:44:36 <addison_> richard: other ideas on ways to develop expert base?
15:44:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html addison_
15:44:53 <r12a> action: addison to talk to unicode folks about ways to cross-pollinate between our groups
15:44:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-667 - Talk to unicode folks about ways to cross-pollinate between our groups [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-10-19].
15:45:34 <addison_> agenda?
15:46:11 <addison_> richard: fuqiao, do you think we might get more interest in china?
15:46:16 <addison_> xfq: matrix work?
15:46:28 <addison_> richard: many questions related to chinese
15:46:49 <addison_> ... great if we had more folks on ruby and text decoration and such
15:46:55 <addison_> ... possibilities in china?
15:47:14 <addison_> xfq: not quite familiar, discussed with angel
15:47:21 <addison_> ... reached out to stakeholders
15:47:28 <addison_> ... and national stds bodies
15:47:38 <addison_> ... some interest, but mostly very busy
15:47:52 <addison_> interest, not commitment
15:48:03 <addison_> richard: prepared to join a mailing list or something
15:48:12 <addison_> ... just for ad hoc opinions
15:48:17 <addison_> ... nothing structured
15:48:26 <addison_> ... just answering questions offhand
15:48:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html addison_
15:49:39 <addison_> bert: must be folks in universities studying language
15:49:49 <addison_> ... they might have time if we knew how to contact them
15:50:09 <addison_> ... other idea is if we want to get answers, make into a game or make attractive
15:50:26 <addison_> ... even virtual points
15:51:06 <addison_> richard: send more tweets, I follow lots of folks who talk about typography e.g.
15:51:16 <addison_> bert: question of the month
15:51:51 <addison_> richard: capturing those folks somehow, not just random?
15:52:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html addison_
15:53:21 <addison_> richard: think more, send suggestions
15:55:10 <addison_> addison: somewhere to capture ideas?
15:55:17 <addison_> richard: wiki in our repo?
15:55:46 <addison_> action: richard to set up wiki in our repo to capture ideas for engaging folks with our questions
15:55:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-668 - Set up wiki in our repo to capture ideas for engaging folks with our questions [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-10-19].
15:56:02 <addison_> addison: will have in agenda next week
15:56:11 <addison_> Topic: AOB?
15:56:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html addison_
15:56:56 <addison_> zakim, who is here?
15:56:56 <Zakim> Present: Bert
15:56:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see addison_, Zakim, RRSAgent, r12a, bigbluehat, xfq, koji, Bert, trackbot
15:57:01 <addison_> present+ Richard
15:57:07 <addison_> present+ Fuqiao
15:57:10 <addison_> present+ Steve
15:57:18 <addison_> present+ Addison
15:57:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html addison_
16:08:00 <addison_> zakim, bye
16:08:00 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Bert, Richard, Fuqiao, Steve, Addison
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