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richard: moving string-meta to first public
https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
action-660?
<trackbot> action-660 -- Richard Ishida to Raise comment against utr53 asking for clarity about what they are trying to do -- due 2017-10-12 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/660
richard: did that
close action-660
<trackbot> Closed action-660.
richard: there was a response on
edcom
... and my comment is in the PRI
<r12a> https://www.unicode.org/review/pri359/
action-661?
<trackbot> action-661 -- Richard Ishida to Send https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/488 to intersection observer group -- due 2017-10-12 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/661
close action-661
<trackbot> Closed action-661.
addison: IUC41 next week. teleconference?
Agreed: we will hold a telecon next week
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
<scribe> ACTION: addison: review DNT and sent an all-clear status to that WG unless something found [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-662 - Review dnt and sent an all-clear status to that wg unless something found [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-10-19].
http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
<scribe> ACTION: addison: remind all to review charmod for status for next week, set agenda item for working to promote to next status next telecon [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-663 - Remind all to review charmod for status for next week, set agenda item for working to promote to next status next telecon [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-10-19].
richard: we should prep new
encoding, will be substantive
... and work on moving to req
... dropping off a snapshot
addison: follow html and do dot releases?
richard: figure out
possibilities
... scenario is, when publish req version, keep a WD and move
into CR asap
... and just track
... new urls for "latest version"
... thanks to Fuqiao, clreq making progress
... did a quick gap analysis report
... ALreq also working on one
richard: I think we might want to
make a FPWD
... but probably needs a bit more text first
<scribe> ACTION: addison: produce updated string-meta with additional text needed for FPWD by 2 weeks [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-664 - Produce updated string-meta with additional text needed for fpwd by 2 weeks [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-10-19].
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Oct/0007.html
<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/499
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/497
richard: behnam wanted to send
sooner rather than later
... 499, UTR says how to reorder for rendering
... wouldn't it be better to have something like "rendering
pre-order algorithms"
... with a chapter on arabic and others in the future
addison: interesting observation. maybe not WG?
richard: want to track
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/497
richard: doc says "this is useful
to prep for rendering"
... but also says "could be useful for backspacing"
... might delete grapheme clusters, for example
... backspace, vowel sign and shadda
... base-vowel-shadda, ordering reversed in utr53
... so if you backspace, even though sequence base-vowel-sh but
you want to delete vowel first
addison: just a happy side effect?
richard: behnam pointing out that this is just one potential text function that might use
steve: leads to unexpected results, new behavior?
richard: you'd type like
base-sh-vowel
... but normalize as above
steve: what about cursoring?
richard: all one grapheme cluster... hmm...
addison: in or out problem:
here's an algo. useful for this. might be useful "for other
things"
... what are unicode's intentions?
richard: did they think through?
addison: forward?
steve: okay
richard: okay
<scribe> ACTION: richard: get behnam to forward 497 to the UTR53 PRI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-665 - Get behnam to forward 497 to the utr53 pri [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-10-19].
richard: have the matrix thing
<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/typography/gap-analysis/language-matrix.html
richard: looking for funding to
support projects to find people to work on specific set of
languages
... make reports
... notwithstanding we get folks working on it
... always a need for experts to support our work
... have a bunch of outstanding questions not getting answers
at moment
<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/textlayout/
richard: type info request, no
responses at the moment
... always has been/will be case
... be nice to have a better network
... unicode has a good network
... have lists
... have ISO committees
... submitting things like proposals
... wondering how we could get into similar situation
... work more closely with unicode??
... post to their mailing lists, maybe in return to cross
posting to ours?
... post digest to unicode list?
... casting about for ideas
richard: other ideas on ways to develop expert base?
<r12a> ACTION: addison to talk to unicode folks about ways to cross-pollinate between our groups [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-667 - Talk to unicode folks about ways to cross-pollinate between our groups [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-10-19].
richard: fuqiao, do you think we might get more interest in china?
xfq: matrix work?
richard: many questions related
to chinese
... see http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/textlayout/?filter=type-info-request
... great if we had more folks on ruby and text decoration and
such
... possibilities in china?
xfq: not quite familiar,
discussed with angel
... reached out to stakeholders
... and national stds bodies
... some interest, but mostly very busy
interest, not commitment
richard: prepared to join a
mailing list or something
... just for ad hoc opinions
... nothing structured
... just answering questions offhand
bert: must be folks in
universities studying language
... they might have time if we knew how to contact them
... other idea is if we want to get answers, make into a game
or make attractive
... even virtual points
richard: send more tweets, I follow lots of folks who talk about typography e.g.
bert: question of the month
richard: capturing those folks
somehow, not just random?
... think more, send suggestions
addison: somewhere to capture ideas?
richard: wiki in our repo?
<scribe> ACTION: richard to set up wiki in our repo to capture ideas for engaging folks with our questions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-668 - Set up wiki in our repo to capture ideas for engaging folks with our questions [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-10-19].
addison: will have in agenda next week