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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

12 Oct 2017

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Bert, Richard, Fuqiao, Steve, Addison
Regrets
Jan, JcK
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
addison

Contents


Agenda

richard: moving string-meta to first public

Action Items

https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

action-660?

<trackbot> action-660 -- Richard Ishida to Raise comment against utr53 asking for clarity about what they are trying to do -- due 2017-10-12 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/660

richard: did that

close action-660

<trackbot> Closed action-660.

richard: there was a response on edcom
... and my comment is in the PRI

<r12a> https://www.unicode.org/review/pri359/

action-661?

<trackbot> action-661 -- Richard Ishida to Send https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/488 to intersection observer group -- due 2017-10-12 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/661

close action-661

<trackbot> Closed action-661.

Info Share

addison: IUC41 next week. teleconference?

Agreed: we will hold a telecon next week

Radar

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1

<scribe> ACTION: addison: review DNT and sent an all-clear status to that WG unless something found [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-662 - Review dnt and sent an all-clear status to that wg unless something found [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-10-19].

http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/

<scribe> ACTION: addison: remind all to review charmod for status for next week, set agenda item for working to promote to next status next telecon [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-663 - Remind all to review charmod for status for next week, set agenda item for working to promote to next status next telecon [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-10-19].

richard: we should prep new encoding, will be substantive
... and work on moving to req
... dropping off a snapshot

addison: follow html and do dot releases?

richard: figure out possibilities
... scenario is, when publish req version, keep a WD and move into CR asap
... and just track
... new urls for "latest version"
... thanks to Fuqiao, clreq making progress
... did a quick gap analysis report
... ALreq also working on one

String-Meta

richard: I think we might want to make a FPWD
... but probably needs a bit more text first

<scribe> ACTION: addison: produce updated string-meta with additional text needed for FPWD by 2 weeks [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-664 - Produce updated string-meta with additional text needed for fpwd by 2 weeks [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-10-19].

Behnam's comments on UTR 53

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Oct/0007.html

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/499

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/497

richard: behnam wanted to send sooner rather than later
... 499, UTR says how to reorder for rendering
... wouldn't it be better to have something like "rendering pre-order algorithms"
... with a chapter on arabic and others in the future

addison: interesting observation. maybe not WG?

richard: want to track

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/497

richard: doc says "this is useful to prep for rendering"
... but also says "could be useful for backspacing"
... might delete grapheme clusters, for example
... backspace, vowel sign and shadda
... base-vowel-shadda, ordering reversed in utr53
... so if you backspace, even though sequence base-vowel-sh but you want to delete vowel first

addison: just a happy side effect?

richard: behnam pointing out that this is just one potential text function that might use

steve: leads to unexpected results, new behavior?

richard: you'd type like base-sh-vowel
... but normalize as above

steve: what about cursoring?

richard: all one grapheme cluster... hmm...

addison: in or out problem: here's an algo. useful for this. might be useful "for other things"
... what are unicode's intentions?

richard: did they think through?

addison: forward?

steve: okay

richard: okay

<scribe> ACTION: richard: get behnam to forward 497 to the UTR53 PRI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-665 - Get behnam to forward 497 to the utr53 pri [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-10-19].

Working with Unicode experts

richard: have the matrix thing

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/typography/gap-analysis/language-matrix.html

richard: looking for funding to support projects to find people to work on specific set of languages
... make reports
... notwithstanding we get folks working on it
... always a need for experts to support our work
... have a bunch of outstanding questions not getting answers at moment

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/textlayout/

richard: type info request, no responses at the moment
... always has been/will be case
... be nice to have a better network
... unicode has a good network
... have lists
... have ISO committees
... submitting things like proposals
... wondering how we could get into similar situation
... work more closely with unicode??
... post to their mailing lists, maybe in return to cross posting to ours?
... post digest to unicode list?
... casting about for ideas

richard: other ideas on ways to develop expert base?

<r12a> ACTION: addison to talk to unicode folks about ways to cross-pollinate between our groups [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-667 - Talk to unicode folks about ways to cross-pollinate between our groups [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-10-19].

richard: fuqiao, do you think we might get more interest in china?

xfq: matrix work?

richard: many questions related to chinese
... see http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/textlayout/?filter=type-info-request
... great if we had more folks on ruby and text decoration and such
... possibilities in china?

xfq: not quite familiar, discussed with angel
... reached out to stakeholders
... and national stds bodies
... some interest, but mostly very busy

interest, not commitment

richard: prepared to join a mailing list or something
... just for ad hoc opinions
... nothing structured
... just answering questions offhand

bert: must be folks in universities studying language
... they might have time if we knew how to contact them
... other idea is if we want to get answers, make into a game or make attractive
... even virtual points

richard: send more tweets, I follow lots of folks who talk about typography e.g.

bert: question of the month

richard: capturing those folks somehow, not just random?
... think more, send suggestions

addison: somewhere to capture ideas?

richard: wiki in our repo?

<scribe> ACTION: richard to set up wiki in our repo to capture ideas for engaging folks with our questions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-668 - Set up wiki in our repo to capture ideas for engaging folks with our questions [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-10-19].

addison: will have in agenda next week

AOB?

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: addison to talk to unicode folks about ways to cross-pollinate between our groups [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: produce updated string-meta with additional text needed for FPWD by 2 weeks [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: remind all to review charmod for status for next week, set agenda item for working to promote to next status next telecon [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: review DNT and sent an all-clear status to that WG unless something found [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: talk to unicode folks about ways to cross-pollinate between our groups [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: richard to set up wiki in our repo to capture ideas for engaging folks with our questions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: get behnam to forward 497 to the UTR53 PRI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
 

Summary of Resolutions

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