- From: ashok malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>
- Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:13:21 -0800
- To: "www-tag@w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>
Draft Minutes of November 17 Telcon are available at www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/11/17-minutes.html
and in text form below:
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
TAG_Weekly
17 Nov 2011
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2011/11/17-tagmem-irc
Attendees
Present
Noah_Mendelsohn, Ashok_Malhotra, Jeni_Tennison,
Dan_Appelquist, Yves_Lafon, Henry_Thompson
Regrets
Jonathan_Rees, Larry_Masinter, TimBL, Peter_Linss
Chair
Noah
Scribe
Ashok
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Convene/Admin
2. [5]ISSUE-60 (webApplicationState-60): Web Applications:
Client-side state
3. [6]SPDY
4. [7]Overdue Action Items
* [8]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<scribe> scribe: Ashok
<scribe> scribenick: Ashok
Convene/Admin
<noah> Minutes of 27 October:
[9]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/10/27-minutes
[9] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/10/27-minutes
RESOLUTION: Minutes of 27 October are approved
<noah> Minutes of TPAC 31 - 4 November:
[10]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/10/31-agenda
[10] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/10/31-agenda
RESOLUTION: Minutes of 4 November are approved
<noah> Minutes of 10 November:
[11]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/11/10-minutes
[11] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/11/10-minutes
RESOLUTION: Minutes of 10 November are approved
No call next week -- U.S. Thanksgiving!
Next call December 1
<noah> DanA probably can't scribe on 1 Dec. Possible regrets.
ACTION-630
<trackbot> ACTION-630 -- Ashok Malhotra to draft note to Web apps on
Appcache/local store relationship, post to tag@w3.org for TAG
approval Due: 2011-11-11 -- due 2011-11-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> [12]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/630
[12] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/630
<noah> close ACTION-630
<trackbot> ACTION-630 Draft note to Web apps on Appcache/local store
relationship, post to tag@w3.org for TAG approval Due: 2011-11-11
closed
<JeniT> +1
Ashok: +1
Noah: TAG Election: encourage AC representatives to put forward
nominations
Henry: Can I have 5 minutes to report on Domain Persistence
Workshop?
... looking good but Semantic Web community is under-represented
<noah> ...and open data
Henry: we need people from that community
<DKA> +1 to Hadley
Discussion of possible Workshop attendees
ISSUE-60 (webApplicationState-60): Web Applications: Client-side state
Noah: Last draft was 9/30 comments allowed until 11/15
... we had 2 comments
... we discussed the two comments
... Incorporate the comments and ask commentors if they agree
Ashok: I will create a new draft by Dec 1
<noah> ACTION-597?
<trackbot> ACTION-597 -- Ashok Malhotra to publish a final draft for
public review of the finding on Application State -- due 2011-09-30
-- OPEN
<trackbot> [13]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/597
[13] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/597
Noah: Send the draft to the two commentors for their approval
<noah> ACTION-597 Due 2011-12-01
<trackbot> ACTION-597 Publish a final draft for public review of the
finding on Application State due date now 2011-12-01
Noah: Yves, please check product page for client-side state
SPDY
<noah> ACTION-626?
<trackbot> ACTION-626 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of
how, if at all, TAG should continue to be involved with SPDY -- due
2011-11-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> [14]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/626
[14] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/626
Noah: How should TAG be involved?
Yves: Concerns are being raised about HTTP 1.1 as it is being used
tofay in Web Apps, etc.
... SPDY is one possible solution
Noah: Should we endorse SPDY as an answer?
<noah> Really, mainly Web apps? I thought it was also things like
NYT home page which have tons of resources.
Yves: Characterize the problem ... HTTP overhead is an issue
... safety of data is another issue
<noah> From TPAC minutes quoting Mike Belshe:
<noah> "83 connections for the NYT home page puts really bad
pressure on NAT"
Yves: How is Web being used, what are the problems
<noah> YL: Performance of HTTP is one aspect of what SPDY addresses,
other is pervasive use of SSL with SPDY
Jeni: What does SPDY do and what other options are there?
<noah> Note that Jim Gettys has suggested that SPDY-like protocols
help with "buffer bloat"
Jeni: How much is W3C role and how much is IETF?
<noah> NM: At TPAC, I think there was sentiment for a significnt W3C
role
<Yves> It has effect in the whole stack, so yes we should track
this, but it doesn't mean that the TAG will do the work
Dan: People including Tim wanted strong participation from W3C.
<JeniT> ACTION-618?
<trackbot> ACTION-618 -- Yves Lafon to with help from Larry, Noah,
and Jeni to prepare analysis on development around HTTP, like spdy,
ssl use, websocket... -- due 2011-11-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [15]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/618
[15] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/618
Yves: I have an action to create a small document about SPDY and
friends
Noah: Success would be if we can explain to W3C management what the
opportunities are and what we recommend
Dan: This is urgent ... Google has deployed into several
applications
<Yves> Amazon Silk also will use spdy
Dan: and several others
Noah: They said they were ready to put this into Standards space and
it may change in the process
<noah> ACTION-626?
<trackbot> ACTION-626 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of
how, if at all, TAG should continue to be involved with SPDY -- due
2011-11-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> [16]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/626
[16] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/626
Overdue Action Items
<noah> close ACTION-626
<trackbot> ACTION-626 Schedule discussion of how, if at all, TAG
should continue to be involved with SPDY closed
Noah: Close 626 ... we have followup action to Yves
<noah> ACTION-572?
<trackbot> ACTION-572 -- Yves Lafon to look at appcache in HTML5 --
due 2011-10-04 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/572
[17] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/572
<noah> ACTION-572 Due 2011-11-29
<trackbot> ACTION-572 Look at appcache in HTML5 due date now
2011-11-29
<noah> ACTION-404?
<trackbot> ACTION-404 -- Yves Lafon to track HTML WG ISSUE-27
rel-ownership -- due 2011-09-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [18]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/404
[18] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/404
<noah> ACTION-404 Due 2012-02-07
<trackbot> ACTION-404 Track HTML WG ISSUE-27 rel-ownership due date
now 2012-02-07
<noah> ACTION-523?
<trackbot> ACTION-523 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Noah)
build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top
questions to be answered on client side storage -- due 2011-08-30 --
OPEN
<trackbot> [19]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523
[19] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523
Ashok: We need to think about our direction on client-side storage
Noah: Can you write mail framing the discussion?
<noah> ACTION: Ashok Frame issues around client-side storage work
Due 2011-12-06 [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/11/17-minutes#action01]
[20] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/11/17-minutes#action01
<trackbot> Created ACTION-632 - Frame issues around client-side
storage work Due 2011-12-06 [on Ashok Malhotra - due 2011-11-24].
<noah> ACTION-632 Due 2011-12-06
<trackbot> ACTION-632 Frame issues around client-side storage work
Due 2011-12-06 due date now 2011-12-06
<noah> ACTION-523 Due 2011-12-20
<trackbot> ACTION-523 (with help from Noah) build good product page
for client storage finding, identifying top questions to be answered
on client side storage due date now 2011-12-20
<noah> ACTION-475?
<trackbot> ACTION-475 -- Ashok Malhotra to write finding on
client-side storage, DanA to review -- due 2011-08-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/475
[21] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/475
<noah> AM: We should close pending analysis of what we want to do in
this area, see ACTION-632
<noah> Product page:
[22]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/clientsidestorage.html
[22] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/clientsidestorage.html
Ashok: Shall we close this? Overtaken by 623.
<noah> This proposed product page has not yet been reviewed by Ashok
Malhotra or other TAG members
<noah> close ACTION-475
<trackbot> ACTION-475 Write finding on client-side storage, DanA to
review closed
<noah> ACTION-528?
<trackbot> ACTION-528 -- Henry Thompson to create and get consensus
on a product page and tracker product page for persistence of names
-- due 2011-10-04 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/528
[23] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/528
<noah> HT: I should get back to that.
<noah> ACTION-528 Due 2011-11-29
<trackbot> ACTION-528 Create and get consensus on a product page and
tracker product page for persistence of names due date now
2011-11-29
<noah> ACTION-617 Due 2011-12-15
<trackbot> ACTION-617 Work with Yves to take
[24]http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/ off the
Rec track due date now 2011-12-15
[24] http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/
<noah> ACTION-501?
<trackbot> ACTION-501 -- Noah Mendelsohn to follow up on whether
GeoLocation finds reasonable answer on giving permission per
site/app etc [self-assigned] -- due 2011-10-25 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [25]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/501
[25] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/501
<noah> AM: They've gone to last call.
<noah> AM: Or about to...
<noah> AM: Want our feedback....
<noah> Assigning 501 to Ashok.
<JeniT> AM: Is there anyone else interested in this; it has to do
with privacy?
<noah> ACTION-501?
<trackbot> ACTION-501 -- Ashok Malhotra to follow up on whether
GeoLocation finds reasonable answer on giving permission per
site/app etc [self-assigned] -- due 2011-12-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [26]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/501
[26] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/501
<noah> ACTION: Ashok to drive TAG review of Geolocation last call
Due 2011-12-06 [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/11/17-minutes#action02]
[27] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/11/17-minutes#action02
<trackbot> Created ACTION-633 - Drive TAG review of Geolocation last
call Due 2011-12-06 [on Ashok Malhotra - due 2011-11-24].
<noah> ACTION-633 Due 2011-12-06
<trackbot> ACTION-633 Drive TAG review of Geolocation last call Due
2011-12-06 due date now 2011-12-06
Noah: Question was "are permissions by site or by URI stem etc."
<noah> ACTION-602?
<trackbot> ACTION-602 -- Noah Mendelsohn to work with IETF liaisons
to propose possible TAG participation in IETF Paris -- due
2011-11-04 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [28]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/602
[28] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/602
<noah> ACTION-621?
<trackbot> ACTION-621 -- Noah Mendelsohn to with Dan to figure out
whether we want a TAG bof at TPAC -- due 2011-10-20 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [29]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/621
[29] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/621
<noah> close ACTION-621
<trackbot> ACTION-621 With Dan to figure out whether we want a TAG
bof at TPAC closed
<noah> ACTION-601?
<trackbot> ACTION-601 -- Noah Mendelsohn to document in product
pages wrapup of HTML5 last call work, leading to HTML next review --
due 2011-10-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [30]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/601
[30] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/601
<noah> ACTION-601 Due 2011-12-13
<trackbot> ACTION-601 Document in product pages wrapup of HTML5 last
call work, leading to HTML next review due date now 2011-12-13
<noah> ACTION-591?
<trackbot> ACTION-591 -- Noah Mendelsohn to ping Norm end of Sept.
on revised HTML/XML report per discussion on 1 Sept 2011 -- due
2011-10-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [31]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/591
[31] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/591
<noah> ACTION-591 Due 2011-11-23
<trackbot> ACTION-591 Ping Norm end of Sept. on revised HTML/XML
report per discussion on 1 Sept 2011 due date now 2011-11-23
<noah> ACTION-536?
<trackbot> ACTION-536 -- Noah Mendelsohn to work with HST to
identify a way forward wrt interaction -- due 2011-10-11 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [32]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/536
[32] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/536
<noah> close ACTION-536
<trackbot> ACTION-536 Work with HST to identify a way forward wrt
interaction closed
<noah> ACTION-619?
<trackbot> ACTION-619 -- Henry Thompson to report on status of
3023bis after TPAC -- due 2011-11-15 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [33]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/619
[33] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/619
<noah> ACTION-619 Due 2011-12-13
<trackbot> ACTION-619 Report on status of 3023bis after TPAC due
date now 2011-12-13
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Ashok Frame issues around client-side storage work Due
2011-12-06 [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/11/17-minutes#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Ashok to drive TAG review of Geolocation last call Due
2011-12-06 [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/11/17-minutes#action02]
[34] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/11/17-minutes#action01
[35] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/11/17-minutes#action02
[End of minutes]
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All the best, Ashok
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