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18:01:21 <Ashok> meeting: TAG
18:02:50 <Ashok> chair: Noah
18:02:57 <Ashok> scribe:  Ashok
18:03:07 <Ashok> scribenick:  Ashok
18:03:32 <DKA> zakim, who is here?
18:03:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see DKA, Ashok_Malhotra, JeniT
18:03:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, DKA, Ashok, JeniT, Norm, timbl, plinss_, plinss, trackbot, Yves
18:03:54 <Zakim> +Yves
18:03:57 <noah> noah has joined #tagmem
18:04:13 <Zakim> +Noah_Mendelsohn
18:04:19 <noah> zakim, noah_mendelsohn is me
18:04:19 <Zakim> +noah; got it
18:04:32 <noah> zakim, who is here?
18:04:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see DKA, Ashok_Malhotra, JeniT, Yves, noah
18:04:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see noah, RRSAgent, Zakim, DKA, Ashok, JeniT, Norm, timbl, plinss_, plinss, trackbot, Yves
18:04:56 <Ashok> present:  Noah, Ashok, Jeni, Dan, Yves
18:05:26 <Ashok> regrets:  Jonathan, Larry, TimBL, Peter
18:05:44 <Ashok> Topic:  Convene
18:05:51 <noah> Minutes of 27 October: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/10/27-minutes
18:06:16 <Ashok> RESOLUTION:  Minites of 27 October are approved
18:06:18 <noah> Minutes of TPAC 31 - 4 November: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/10/31-agenda
18:06:41 <noah> Minutes of 10 November: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/11/10-minutes
18:06:47 <Ashok> ESOLUTION:  Minites of 4 November are approved
18:06:50 <noah> s/Minites/Minutes/
18:06:59 <JeniT> s/ESOLUTION/RESOLUTION/
18:07:06 <Ashok> ESOLUTION:  Minites of 10 November are approved
18:07:10 <JeniT> s/ESOLUTION/RESOLUTION/
18:07:21 <JeniT> s/Minites/Minutes/
18:07:35 <Ashok> No call next week -- U.S. Thanksgiving!
18:07:38 <noah> DanA probably can't scribe on 1 Dec. Possible regrets.
18:07:44 <Ashok> Next call Decemeber 1
18:07:58 <noah> ACTION-630?
18:07:59 <trackbot> ACTION-630 -- Ashok Malhotra to draft note to Web apps on Appcache/local store relationship, post to tag@w3.org for TAG approval Due: 2011-11-11 -- due 2011-11-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW
18:07:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/630
18:08:18 <noah> close ACTION-630
18:08:18 <trackbot> ACTION-630 Draft note to Web apps on Appcache/local store relationship, post to tag@w3.org for TAG approval Due: 2011-11-11 closed
18:08:23 <Ashok> s/Decemeber 1/December 1/
18:11:02 <JeniT> +1
18:11:19 <Ashok> +1
18:13:33 <Ashok> Noah:  TAG Election: encourage AC representatives to put forward nominations
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18:14:40 <Zakim> +??P7
18:14:53 <Ashok> present+:  Henry
18:18:09 <Ashok> Henry:  can I have 5 minutes to report on Domain Persistence Workshop
18:18:36 <Ashok> ... looking good but Semantic Web community is under-represented
18:18:46 <noah> ...and open data
18:18:59 <Ashok> ... we need people from that community
18:20:23 <DKA> +1 to Hadley
18:20:47 <Ashok> Discussion of possible Workshop attendees
18:21:37 <Ashok> Topic:  ISSUE-60 (webApplicationState-60): Web Applications: Client-side state 
18:22:04 <Ashok> Noah:  Last draft was 9/30 comments allowed until 11/15
18:22:19 <Ashok> ... we had 2 comments
18:23:44 <Ashok> ... we discussed the two comments
18:24:25 <Ashok> Noah:  Incorporate the comments and ask commentors if they agree
18:27:12 <Ashok> Ashok:  I will create a new draft by Dec 1
18:27:45 <noah> ACTION-597?
18:27:45 <trackbot> ACTION-597 -- Ashok Malhotra to publish a final draft for public review of the finding on Application State -- due 2011-09-30 -- OPEN
18:27:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/597
18:27:46 <Ashok> Noah:  Send the draft to the two commentors for their approval
18:28:00 <noah> ACTION-597 Due 2011-12-01
18:28:01 <trackbot> ACTION-597 Publish a final draft for public review of the finding on Application State due date now 2011-12-01
18:28:48 <Ashok> Noah:  Yves, please check product page for client-side state
18:29:11 <Ashok> Topic:  SPDY
18:29:43 <noah> ACTION-626?
18:29:43 <trackbot> ACTION-626 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of how, if at all, TAG should continue to be involved with SPDY -- due 2011-11-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW
18:29:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/626
18:29:50 <Ashok> Noah:  How should TAG be involved?
18:30:30 <Ashok> ... concerns are being raised about HTTP 1.1 as it is being used today.
18:30:48 <Ashok> ... SPDY is one possible solution
18:31:02 <noah> ack next
18:31:04 <Ashok> Noah:  Should we endorse SPDY as an answer?
18:31:33 <noah> Really, mainly Web apps? I thought it was also things like NYT home page which have tons of resources.
18:31:45 <Ashok> Yves:  Characterize the problem ... HTTP overhead is an issue
18:32:16 <Ashok> ... safety od data is another issue
18:32:21 <Ashok> s/od/of/
18:32:24 <noah> From TPAC minutes quoting Mike Belshe:
18:32:26 <noah> "83 connections for the NYT home page puts really bad pressure on NAT"
18:32:44 <Ashok> Yves:  How is Web being used, what are the problems
18:33:00 <noah> YL: Performance of HTTP is one aspect of what SPDY addresses, other is pervasive use of SSL with SPDY
18:33:24 <JeniT> q+
18:33:29 <noah> ack next
18:34:15 <Ashok> Jeni:  What does SPDY do and what other options are there?
18:34:23 <noah> Note that Jim Gettys has suggested that SPDY-like protocols help with "buffer bloat"
18:34:33 <Ashok> ... how mich is W3C role and how much is IETF
18:34:52 <noah> NM: At TPAC, I think there was sentiment for a significnt W3C role
18:34:57 <Ashok> Noah:  At TPAC people felt W3C should have a role
18:34:57 <noah> s/mich/much/
18:35:02 <Yves> it has effect in the whole stack, so yes we should track this, but it doesn't mean that the TAG will do the work
18:35:11 <Ashok> Dan:  People wanted strong participation from W3C
18:35:25 <noah> s/People/People including Tim/
18:36:17 <JeniT> ACTION-618?
18:36:17 <trackbot> ACTION-618 -- Yves Lafon to with help from Larry, Noah, and Jeni to prepare analysis on development around HTTP, like spdy, ssl use, websocket... -- due 2011-11-29 -- OPEN
18:36:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/618
18:36:18 <Ashok> Yves:  I have an action to create a small document about SPDY and friends
18:37:58 <Ashok> Noah:  Success would be if we can explain to W3C management what the opportunities are and whet we recommend
18:38:16 <Ashok> s/whet/what/
18:39:12 <Ashok> Dan:  This is urgent ... Google has deployed into several applications
18:40:09 <Yves> amazon silk also will use spdy
18:40:20 <Ashok> ... and several others
18:41:10 <Ashok> Noah:  They said they were ready to put this into Standards space and it may change in the process
18:42:57 <noah> ACTION-626?
18:42:57 <trackbot> ACTION-626 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of how, if at all, TAG should continue to be involved with SPDY -- due 2011-11-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW
18:42:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/626
18:42:57 <Ashok> Topic:  Overdue Action Items
18:43:33 <noah> close ACTION-626
18:43:33 <trackbot> ACTION-626 Schedule discussion of how, if at all, TAG should continue to be involved with SPDY closed
18:43:50 <Ashok> Noah:  Close 626 ... we have followup action to Yves
18:44:02 <noah> ACTION-572?
18:44:02 <trackbot> ACTION-572 -- Yves Lafon to look at appcache in HTML5 -- due 2011-10-04 -- OPEN
18:44:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/572
18:44:36 <noah> ACTION-572 Due 2011-11-29
18:44:36 <trackbot> ACTION-572 Look at appcache in HTML5 due date now 2011-11-29
18:45:02 <noah> ACTION-404?
18:45:02 <trackbot> ACTION-404 -- Yves Lafon to track HTML WG ISSUE-27 rel-ownership -- due 2011-09-30 -- OPEN
18:45:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/404
18:46:06 <noah> ACTION-404 Due 2012-02-07
18:46:06 <trackbot> ACTION-404 Track HTML WG ISSUE-27 rel-ownership due date now 2012-02-07
18:46:18 <noah> ACTION-523?
18:46:18 <trackbot> ACTION-523 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Noah) build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top questions to be answered on client side storage -- due 2011-08-30 -- OPEN
18:46:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523
18:47:30 <Ashok> Ashok:  We need to think about our direction on client-side storage
18:47:53 <Ashok> Noah:  Can you write mail framing the discussion
18:48:49 <Ashok> s/discussion/discussion?/
18:49:13 <noah> ACTION: Ashok Frame issues around client-side storage work Due 2011-12-06
18:49:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-632 - Frame issues around client-side storage work Due 2011-12-06 [on Ashok Malhotra - due 2011-11-24].
18:49:33 <noah> ACTION-632 Due 2011-12-06
18:49:33 <trackbot> ACTION-632 Frame issues around client-side storage work Due 2011-12-06 due date now 2011-12-06
18:50:04 <noah> ACTION-523 Due 2011-12-20
18:50:05 <trackbot> ACTION-523 (with help from Noah) build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top questions to be answered on client side storage due date now 2011-12-20
18:50:25 <noah> ACTION-475?
18:50:25 <trackbot> ACTION-475 -- Ashok Malhotra to write finding on client-side storage, DanA to review -- due 2011-08-24 -- OPEN
18:50:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/475
18:51:05 <noah> AM: We should close pending analysis of what we want to do in this area, see ACTION-632
18:51:29 <noah> Product page: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/clientsidestorage.html
18:51:30 <Ashok> Ashok:  Shall we close this?  Overtaken by 623.
18:51:33 <noah> This proposed product page has not yet been reviewed by Ashok Malhotra or other TAG members
18:51:52 <noah> close ACTION-475
18:51:52 <trackbot> ACTION-475 Write finding on client-side storage, DanA to review closed
18:52:25 <noah> ACTION-528?
18:52:25 <trackbot> ACTION-528 -- Henry Thompson to create and get consensus on a product page and tracker product page for persistence of names -- due 2011-10-04 -- OPEN
18:52:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/528
18:52:29 <noah> HT: I should get back to that.
18:52:54 <noah> ACTION-528 Due 2011-11-29
18:52:54 <trackbot> ACTION-528 Create and get consensus on a product page and tracker product page for persistence of names due date now 2011-11-29
18:53:50 <noah> ACTION-617 Due 2011-12-15
18:53:51 <trackbot> ACTION-617 Work with Yves to take http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/ off the Rec track due date now 2011-12-15
18:54:15 <noah> ACTION-501?
18:54:15 <trackbot> ACTION-501 -- Noah Mendelsohn to follow up on whether GeoLocation finds reasonable answer on giving permission per site/app etc [self-assigned] -- due 2011-10-25 -- OPEN
18:54:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/501
18:54:22 <noah> AM: They've gone to last call.
18:54:26 <noah> AM: Or about to...
18:54:57 <noah> AM: Want our feedback....
18:56:16 <noah> Assigning 501 to Ashok.
18:56:54 <JeniT> AM: Is there anyone else interested in this; it has to do with privacy?
18:57:00 <noah> ACTION-501?
18:57:01 <trackbot> ACTION-501 -- Ashok Malhotra to follow up on whether GeoLocation finds reasonable answer on giving permission per site/app etc [self-assigned] -- due 2011-12-06 -- OPEN
18:57:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/501
18:57:36 <noah> ACTION: Ashok to drive TAG review of Geolocation last call Due 2011-12-06
18:57:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-633 - Drive TAG review of Geolocation last call Due 2011-12-06 [on Ashok Malhotra - due 2011-11-24].
18:57:53 <noah> ACTION-633 Due 2011-12-06
18:57:53 <trackbot> ACTION-633 Drive TAG review of Geolocation last call Due 2011-12-06 due date now 2011-12-06
18:58:52 <Ashok> Noah:  Question was "are permissions by site or by URI stem etc."
19:01:31 <noah> ACTION-602?
19:01:31 <trackbot> ACTION-602 -- Noah Mendelsohn to work with IETF liaisons to propose possible TAG participation in IETF Paris -- due 2011-11-04 -- OPEN
19:01:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/602
19:01:40 <noah> ACTION-621?
19:01:40 <trackbot> ACTION-621 -- Noah Mendelsohn to with Dan to figure out whether we want a TAG bof at TPAC -- due 2011-10-20 -- OPEN
19:01:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/621
19:01:47 <noah> close ACTION-621
19:01:48 <trackbot> ACTION-621 With Dan to figure out whether we want a TAG bof at TPAC closed
19:01:58 <noah> ACTION-601?
19:01:58 <trackbot> ACTION-601 -- Noah Mendelsohn to document in product pages wrapup of HTML5 last call work, leading to HTML next review -- due 2011-10-21 -- OPEN
19:01:58 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/601
19:02:15 <noah> ACTION-601 Due 2011-12-13
19:02:15 <trackbot> ACTION-601 Document in product pages wrapup of HTML5 last call work, leading to HTML next review due date now 2011-12-13
19:02:23 <noah> ACTION-591?
19:02:23 <trackbot> ACTION-591 -- Noah Mendelsohn to ping Norm end of Sept. on revised HTML/XML report per discussion on 1 Sept 2011 -- due 2011-10-21 -- OPEN
19:02:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/591
19:02:36 <noah> ACTION-591 Due 2011-11-23
19:02:37 <trackbot> ACTION-591 Ping Norm end of Sept. on revised HTML/XML report per discussion on 1 Sept 2011 due date now 2011-11-23
19:03:09 <noah> ACTION-536?
19:03:10 <trackbot> ACTION-536 -- Noah Mendelsohn to work with HST to identify a way forward wrt interaction -- due 2011-10-11 -- OPEN
19:03:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/536
19:05:15 <noah> close ACTION-536
19:05:16 <trackbot> ACTION-536 Work with HST to identify a way forward wrt interaction closed
19:05:37 <noah> ACTION-619?
19:05:37 <trackbot> ACTION-619 -- Henry Thompson to report on status of 3023bis after TPAC -- due 2011-11-15 -- OPEN
19:05:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/619
19:06:04 <noah> ACTION-619 Due 2011-12-13
19:06:04 <trackbot> ACTION-619 Report on status of 3023bis after TPAC due date now 2011-12-13
19:06:37 <Zakim> -ht
19:07:00 <Ashok> rrsagent, make logs public
19:07:09 <Zakim> -JeniT
19:07:10 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
19:07:12 <Zakim> -noah
19:07:15 <Zakim> -DKA
19:07:17 <Zakim> TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has ended
19:07:19 <Zakim> Attendees were DKA, Ashok_Malhotra, JeniT, Yves, noah, ht
19:07:28 <Ashok> rrsagent, pointer?
19:07:28 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2011/11/17-tagmem-irc#T19-07-28
19:07:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/17-tagmem-minutes.html Yves
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