- From: Mauricio del Olmo <mauricio.delolmo@linguaserve.com>
- Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:36:22 +0100
- To: "'Yves Savourel'" <ysavourel@enlaso.com>, <public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <008e01cdb69b$2b609b30$8221d190$@linguaserve.com>
Hi Yves.
Regarding the removing duplicated values processing step.
I see two places where it could be done (they are not mutually exclusive):
1.- First, remove the possible duplicated values of the input domain string. That is applicable, for example, for the comma separated values in a meta keywords HTML tag.
2.- Remove the possible duplicated values of the resulting output domain string, after applying the mappings.
In the domain mapping pair values supposedly there is not duplicates because the specification says: “The left part of the pair is part of the source content and unique within the mapping.”
Cheers.
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De: Yves Savourel [mailto:ysavourel@enlaso.com]
Enviado el: martes, 30 de octubre de 2012 12:06
Para: public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
Asunto: RE: Domain mapping implementation
Hi Mauricio,
Good catch on the U+0023 value. I’ll change it to U+0022.
For the domain list:
I didn’t put any provision in the spec about quotation marks because the description of the HTML5 meta value does not use them.
See <http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-html5-20110525/semantics.html#standard-metadata-names> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-html5-20110525/semantics.html#standard-metadata-names
For example it would be: content="value 1,value 2, value 3" rather than content="'value 1','value 2','value 3'"
Based on the algorithm provided by HTML5 I'm assuming you would get two different results for the two entries above. But I may be wrong.
I'm fine with having some provision for quotation marks, but we should probably check what's the HTML behavior. What list of tokens we get for the second case. Maybe Jirka or Shaun know that?
That also means we should probably have a text case with quotes.
Another aspect the current algorithm in the specification does not take into account is duplicated values. The HTML5 algorithm does remove duplicated values, so we should probably too.
Cheers,
-yves
From: Mauricio del Olmo [mailto:mauricio.delolmo@linguaserve.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 3:42 AM
To: 'Felix Sasaki'; Yves Savourel
Cc: public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
Subject: Domain mapping implementation
Hi Yves.
Related to the domain mapping algorithm implementation, I tested it yesterday and it works.
I don’t do exactly the same because I load the correspondences in a map object first and then I check if there is a value for the source/original domain, but it is based on what you described.
That would be applied for each domain mapping occurrence.
More or less the following algorithm:
1. Set the default value for the output domain with the input (source or original) domain:
1. If the node value contains a COMMA (U+002C):
1. Split the node value into separate strings using the COMMA (U+002C) as separator.
2. For each string:
1. Trim the leading and trailing white spaces of the string.
2. Check if there is a delimited value in the string (apostrophes or quotation marks):
1. If one is found:
1. Split/substring the value to obtain separately the original and target domain values.
2. Trim each source and target domains.
3. Remove the apostrophes or quotation marks on each domain value.
4. Add the corresponding values to the map.
2. Otherwise (if no delimited value is found):
1. Split/substring the value to obtain separately the original and target domain values.
2. Trim each source and target domains.
3. Add the corresponding values to the map.
2. If the node value does not contain a COMMA (U+002C):
1. Trim the leading and trailing white spaces of the string.
2. Check if there is a delimited value in the string (apostrophes or quotation marks):
1. If one if found:
1. Split/substring the value to obtain separately the original and target domain values.
2. Trim each source and target domains.
3. Remove the apostrophes or quotation marks on each domain value.
4. Add the corresponding values to the map.
2. Otherwise (if no delimited value is found):
1. Split/substring the value to obtain separately the original and target domain values.
2. Trim each source and target domains.
3. Add the corresponding values to the map.
2. Check if there is a correspondence in the map for the input domain value.
1. If one is found:
1. Update the output domain value with the target value found in the map.
3. Return the output domain value.
One question related with the specification and the delimiters for the domain values. It says the following:
The values in the left or the right part of the mapping may contain spaces; in that case they MUST be delimited by quotation marks, that is pairs of APOSTROPHE (Unicode code point U+0027) or QUOTATION MARK (U+0023).
But I think that the quotation mark (") is the U+0022 hex combination. With the U+0023 I obtain the # character.
Please, correct me if I’m interpreting it wrong.
Thank you.
Cheers.
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De: Felix Sasaki [mailto:fsasaki@w3.org] Enviado el: lunes, 29 de octubre de 2012 18:04
Para: public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
Asunto: MLW-LT minutes 2012-11-29 and Doodle poll about 1/2 virtual f2f meetings
Hi all,
minutes of today's call are at <http://www.w3.org/2012/10/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html> http://www.w3.org/2012/10/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html and below as text.
Since we want to move forward to last call (= feature completeness and a stable spec) by the end of November, we decided to schedule a few 1/2 day virtual f2f meetings. Please enter your availibility at <http://doodle.com/heh7k59h7vkvnv88#table> http://doodle.com/heh7k59h7vkvnv88#table
We will need at least three people for such a call to be able to move things forward. I added my name so that we have at leats one editor who can edit the spec right away.
Best,
Felix
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[1]W3C
[1] <http://www.w3.org/> http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
MWL-LT WG
29 Oct 2012
[2]Agenda
[2] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0378.html> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0378.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] <http://www.w3.org/2012/10/29-mlw-lt-irc> http://www.w3.org/2012/10/29-mlw-lt-irc
Attendees
Present
Yves, Pedro, Felix, Des, olaf
Regrets
Chair
felix
Scribe
felix
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]agenda
2. [6]open issues
3. [7]issue-52
4. [8]aob
* [9]Summary of Action Items
__________________________________________________________
<scribe> scribe: tbd
agenda
[10] <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Lyo> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Lyo
nNov2012#Thursday_1st_Nov:_MLW-LT_WG_meeting_agenda
[10] <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/LyonNov2012#Thursday_1st_Nov:_MLW-LT_WG_meeting_agenda> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/LyonNov2012#Thursday_1st_Nov:_MLW-LT_WG_meeting_agenda
felix: any thoughts on the agenda draft?
yves: agenda looks good, need to talk about the tests
felix: should we split sessions?
dave: hard to deal with
felix: will have one room, rather larger
pedro: objective is to resolve implementation issues
... open issues about metadata definitions are not in focus
anymore
felix: focus on 1st day for implementaitons, 2nd day for open
spec issues
[11] <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgIk0-aoSKOadG> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgIk0-aoSKOadG
5HQmJDT2EybWVvVC1VbnF5alN2S3c#gid=0
[11] <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgIk0-aoSKOadG5HQmJDT2EybWVvVC1VbnF5alN2S3c#gid=0> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgIk0-aoSKOadG5HQmJDT2EybWVvVC1VbnF5alN2S3c#gid=0
felix: what is the feeling about timeeline, the milestones
revision of M2: "M2 (every implementor has run at least one
global and one local test file, one XML and one HTML as well -
by 15 December)"
dave: if people don't do HTML or XML, they won't do parts of
the above, but if they committ to things, they need to do it
yves: milestones fine with me
[12] <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Use> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Use
_cases_-_high_level_summary
[12] <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Use_cases_-_high_level_summary> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Use_cases_-_high_level_summary
[13] <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Lyo> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Lyo
nNov2012#Thursday_1st_Nov:_MLW-LT_WG_meeting_agenda
[13] <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/LyonNov2012#Thursday_1st_Nov:_MLW-LT_WG_meeting_agenda> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/LyonNov2012#Thursday_1st_Nov:_MLW-LT_WG_meeting_agenda
"review implementation isssues"
yves: people on the call are the one who have listed issues
felix: what is the state of phil (vistatec) implementation?
dave: seen in seattle last week, again javascript based data
for review
... not sure about implementation progress
<scribe> ACTION: daveL to check implementation status from phil
[recorded in
[14] <http://www.w3.org/2012/10/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01> http://www.w3.org/2012/10/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]
open issues
[15] <https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/i> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/i
ssues/open
[15] <https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/open> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/open
felix: what are the most pressing issues in your opinion?
yves: resolve the problem of the two reference mechanisms
... the "tool" issue, issue-42
... the other one: what to do with pointer attributes in global
rules
dave: that overlaps with XLIFF mapping
yves: we have provenance and localization note
... these are natural have standoff markup
... for disambiguation it might be nice to have, but to be
decided for the data category owners
felix: about XLIFF, should we just wait?
yves: the people in the XLIFF TC will promote that topic, hope
that in a few days we will have an idea about the direction
dave: need to decide in Lyon what we will do in ITS
yves: we should assume that XLIFF will have "mrk" extension
"ed. note"
<scribe> ACTION: felix to make a doodle poll for 1/2 day calls
in November [recorded in
[16] <http://www.w3.org/2012/10/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02> http://www.w3.org/2012/10/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02]
issue-52
[17] <https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/i> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/i
ssues/52
[17] <https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/52> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/52
[18] <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/i> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/i
ts20/its20.html#Disambiguation-implementation
[18] <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#Disambiguation-implementation> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#Disambiguation-implementation
[19] <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/i> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/i
ts20/its20.html#domain-implementation
[19] <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#domain-implementation> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#domain-implementation
yves: no discussion on algorithm since it has been posted
... need to make sure that test cases have the algorithm build
in
felix: could we close this and see what the test cases say?
dave: ankit and leroy will be in Lyon to discuss this
pedro: maurico is working on this
... mauricio will try to test this before thursday
... in real time system we will do it too
[20] <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Lyo> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Lyo
nNov2012#Thursday_1st_Nov:_MLW-LT_WG_meeting_agenda
[20] <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/LyonNov2012#Thursday_1st_Nov:_MLW-LT_WG_meeting_agenda> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/LyonNov2012#Thursday_1st_Nov:_MLW-LT_WG_meeting_agenda
"session 0: "
"session 4: spec review from Mārcis Pinnis, and review of
editoral notes in spec"
aob
felix: nothing, see or hear you soon in Lyon
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: daveL to check implementation status from phil
[recorded in
[21] <http://www.w3.org/2012/10/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01> http://www.w3.org/2012/10/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: felix to make a doodle poll for 1/2 day calls in
November [recorded in
[22] <http://www.w3.org/2012/10/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02> http://www.w3.org/2012/10/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02]
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