ISSUE-32: how to provide a summary of a table, e.g. for unsighted navigation?
table-summary
how to provide a summary of a table, e.g. for unsighted navigation?
- State:
- CLOSED
- Product:
- pre-LC1 HTML 5 spec
- Raised by:
- Joshue O Connor
- Opened on:
- 2008-02-07
- Description:
- Raised by: James Graham on behalf of Joshue O'Connor, 7 Feb 2008
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Feb/0124.html
Vision impaired screen reader users listen to outputted information, without any visual cues, and HTML 5 drafts up to and including http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-html5-20090212/ lack a mechanism that gives an overview of complex tabular data or a brief explanation of that data.
HTML 4 provides a table/@summary attribute where authors may provide this information.
Issue is detailed at: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/SummaryForTABLE
Change Proposals:
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/SummaryAttribute20100222
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/summary_element
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/tableInfoProposal
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/tableSummaryProposal
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/CellAPIForTable
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Details_element_as_a_replacement_for_summary_attribute%2C_Feb_15%2C_2010
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Summary_Change_Proposal_Nov_18%2C_2009
Summary Draft Text for the Spec - Cynthia Shelly, September 14, 2009
http://dev.w3.org/html5/pf-summary/Overview.html#the-table-element
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0553.html
PF Advice: @Summary - Janina Sajka, June 3, 2009
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2009Jun/0026.html
May 4, 2009 message asked Janina Sajka (WAI PF WG's new chair) for comments on several items in order to move this issue toward resolution.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009May/0033.html
editor's position given by ian@hixie.ch on February 24, 2009
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Feb/0601.html
editor's position is given by ian@hixie.ch on 2008-12-20
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Dec/0175.html
WAI PF WG's position is given in 6 Aug msg from Al G.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Aug/0213.html
supplemented by, e.g. "Use and abuse of summary" thread
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Feb/0420.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Feb/0503.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Feb/0512.html
Related email:
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/SummaryForTABLE#head-6fcfaa26f41088d2cf13b4dd3247225a49ee7be1
Related Bugs:
7539: Since @summary is an official part of the table element, it is no longer obsolete...
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7539
7633: The use of @summary should be encouraged when circumstances warrant.
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7633
HTML5-SPEC-SECTIONS [tabular-data] - Related Actions Items:
ACTION-66 on Joshue O Connor to Joshue to collate information on what spec status is with respect to table@summary, research background on rationale for retaining table@summary as a valid attribute - due 2008-08-29, closedACTION-76 on Chris Wilson to Create poll on issue-32, based on Joshue's page from action-66 - due 2009-01-31, closedACTION-104 on Chris Wilson to Inquire about table summary and headers status at PFWG caucus on 2009-02-06 - due 2009-02-26, closedACTION-126 on Sam Ruby to Send a call to the WG to update the Wiki page to adequately reflect both (all) viewpoints on summary, in prep. for a vote - due 2009-06-11, closedACTION-111 on Sam Ruby to Send call to working group on summary to update wiki in preparation for vote - due 2009-06-18, closedACTION-128 on Cynthia Shelly to Work with PF to find an owner for drafting @summary text proposal - due 2009-08-20, closedACTION-136 on Matthew May to Send draft to the list, due in three weeks - due 2009-09-17, closedACTION-145 on Cynthia Shelly to Write a Change Proposal for summary - due 2009-11-08, closedACTION-167 on Cynthia Shelly to Update table-summary - due 2010-01-14, closed- Related emails:
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- Re: ISSUE-32: table-summary - Straw Poll for Objections (from laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com on 2010-10-13)
- Re: ISSUE-32: table-summary - Straw Poll for Objections (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-10-13)
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- ISSUE-32: table-summary - Straw Poll for Objections (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-10-13)
- Fwd: ISSUE-92 The Table description (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2010-10-07)
- Re: Change proposal for ISSUE-32 (from xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no on 2010-07-23)
- RE: {minutes} HTML WG telecon 2010-07-22 (from adrianba@microsoft.com on 2010-07-22)
- RE: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-07-22 (from eliotgra@microsoft.com on 2010-07-22)
- RE: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-07-22 (from krisk@microsoft.com on 2010-07-22)
- Re: Change proposal for ISSUE-32 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-07-21)
- Re: Change proposal for ISSUE-32 (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2010-07-21)
- Re: Change proposal for ISSUE-32 (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-07-21)
- {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-07-22 (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-07-21)
- Change proposal for ISSUE-32 (from ian@hixie.ch on 2010-07-15)
- ISSUE-32 table-summary - Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-06-23)
- HTML-A11Y Task Force Recommendation: ISSUE-32 Table-Summary (from janina@rednote.net on 2010-05-08)
- RE: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-04-29: Action items, new issues, Task Force reports - minutes of the meeting (from adrianba@microsoft.com on 2010-04-29)
- Re: ISSUE-92 cleanuptable - Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-04-21)
- ISSUE-32 table-summary (was Re: Status page should be up to date) (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-04-20)
- Minutes of HTML WG meeting, Apr 15 2010 (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-04-19)
- {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-04-15: Action items, issues, decision policy, task forces, TPAC (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-04-14)
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- Re: ISSUE-92 Change Proposal (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-04-12)
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- Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-03-25: decision policy, issue status, updates from meetings, task force reports (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-03-24)
- {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-03-25: decision policy, issue status, updates from meetings, task force reports (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-03-24)
- RE: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-03-17: various issues (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-03-18)
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- Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-03-17: various issues (from laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com on 2010-03-18)
- {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-03-17: various issues (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-03-17)
- [Bug 7539] Since @summary is an official part of the table element, it is no longer obsolete. Suffienct warning language exists in it's definition that this entry should be removed (from bugzilla@wiggum.w3.org on 2010-03-15)
- Re: Breakdown of issues (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-03-12)
- Breakdown of issues (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-03-12)
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- Re: Issue 32 and Issue 93 dependency (from shelleypowers@burningbird.net on 2010-02-25)
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- RE: requesting one more extension (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-02-18)
- Re: requesting one more extension (from shelleypowers@burningbird.net on 2010-02-18)
- RE: requesting one more extension (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-02-18)
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- [VER 2] {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-01-21: AIs, CfC/CfPs, and heartbeat docs (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-01-21)
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- {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-01-21: AIs, CfC/CfPs, and heartbeat docs (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-01-20)
- {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-01-21: AIs, CfC/CfPs, and heartbeat docs (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-01-20)
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- {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-11-19: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task force reports (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2009-11-18)
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- Re: Consolidated issues that may qualify as 'controversial' (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-08-12)
- Re: Consolidated issues that may qualify as 'controversial' (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-08-12)
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- Consolidated issues that may qualify as 'controversial' (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-08-12)
- Re: summary attribute compromise proposal (from shelley.just@gmail.com on 2009-08-06)
- RE: summary attribute compromise proposal (from jfoliot@stanford.edu on 2009-08-06)
- Re: [DRAFT] Heartbeat poll - update 4 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-08-06)
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- Re: Thoughts regarding Maciej's compromise and the heartbeat publication (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-08-05)
- My position (was RE: [DRAFT] Heartbeat poll - update 2) (from jfoliot@stanford.edu on 2009-08-02)
- RE: [DRAFT] Heartbeat poll (from jfoliot@stanford.edu on 2009-08-01)
- RE: [DRAFT] Heartbeat poll (from jfoliot@stanford.edu on 2009-07-31)
- RE: Publishing a new draft (HTML5+RDFa) (from jfoliot@stanford.edu on 2009-07-30)
- Re: PROPOSAL: Procedure to Promote Progress With Accessibility Issues in HTML5 (from faulkner.steve@gmail.com on 2009-07-20)
- Re: PROPOSAL: Procedure to Promote Progress With Accessibility Issues in HTML5 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-07-20)
- RE: PROPOSAL: Procedure to Promote Progress With Accessibility Issues in HTML5 (from foliot@wats.ca on 2009-07-19)
- minutes HTML weekly 9 July for review (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-07-09)
- Re: PF Response: @Summary (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-07-07)
- Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-06-22)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-06-19)
- Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-06-15)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from rsayre@mozilla.com on 2009-06-15)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-06-15)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-06-15)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from karl@la-grange.net on 2009-06-15)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-06-15)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from karl@la-grange.net on 2009-06-14)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-06-14)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from shelley.just@gmail.com on 2009-06-14)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-06-14)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from shelley.just@gmail.com on 2009-06-14)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from joedwil@earthlink.net on 2009-06-14)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-06-14)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-06-14)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-06-14)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from rsayre@mozilla.com on 2009-06-12)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-06-12)
- Re: What is the value of conformance? (was RE: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32)) (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-06-12)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from rsayre@mozilla.com on 2009-06-12)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-06-12)
- Re: What is the value of conformance? (was RE: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32)) (from rsayre@mozilla.com on 2009-06-12)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-06-12)
- Re: What is the value of conformance? (was RE: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32)) (from bzbarsky@MIT.EDU on 2009-06-12)
- RE: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from jfoliot@stanford.edu on 2009-06-12)
- RE: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from jfoliot@stanford.edu on 2009-06-12)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-06-12)
- What is the value of conformance? (was RE: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32)) (from jfoliot@stanford.edu on 2009-06-12)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from rsayre@mozilla.com on 2009-06-12)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from shelley.just@gmail.com on 2009-06-12)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-06-12)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from rsayre@mozilla.com on 2009-06-12)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-06-12)
- RE: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from jfoliot@stanford.edu on 2009-06-12)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from rsayre@mozilla.com on 2009-06-12)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from Smylers@stripey.com on 2009-06-11)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from jgraham@opera.com on 2009-06-11)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from lhs@malform.no on 2009-06-10)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from jens@meiert.com on 2009-06-09)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-06-09)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from rsayre@mozilla.com on 2009-06-09)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from shelley.just@gmail.com on 2009-06-09)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from shelley.just@gmail.com on 2009-06-09)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from annevk@opera.com on 2009-06-09)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from murray@muzmo.com on 2009-06-09)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from lhs@malform.no on 2009-06-09)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from hober0@gmail.com on 2009-06-09)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from shelleyp@burningbird.net on 2009-06-09)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from lachlan.hunt@lachy.id.au on 2009-06-09)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from shelleyp@burningbird.net on 2009-06-09)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from lachlan.hunt@lachy.id.au on 2009-06-09)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from rsayre@mozilla.com on 2009-06-08)
- RE: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from murray@muzmo.com on 2009-06-08)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-06-08)
- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-06-08)
- RE: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from jfoliot@stanford.edu on 2009-06-08)
- Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-06-04 -- minutes enclosed (from singer@apple.com on 2009-06-04)
- Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-06-04 -- minutes enclosed (from singer@apple.com on 2009-06-04)
- Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-06-01)
- Re: Request for PFWG WAI review of summary for tabular data (from laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com on 2009-05-04)
- Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-04-27)
- Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-04-21)
- Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-04-15)
- Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-04-06)
- Re: Input on the agenda (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-04-01)
- Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-03-31)
- Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-03-24)
- Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-03-16)
- Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-03-09)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-03-02)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from lhs@malform.no on 2009-03-02)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from lhs@malform.no on 2009-03-02)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from steveax@pobox.com on 2009-03-01)
- Re: Draft text for summary attribute definition (from david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com on 2009-03-01)
- Re: Draft text for summary attribute definition (from rob@robburns.com on 2009-03-01)
- Re: Draft text for summary attribute definition (from david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com on 2009-03-01)
- Re: Draft text for summary attribute definition (from lhs@malform.no on 2009-03-01)
- Re: Draft text for summary attribute definition (from rob@robburns.com on 2009-02-28)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from lhs@malform.no on 2009-02-28)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from lhs@malform.no on 2009-02-28)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from rob@robburns.com on 2009-02-27)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from Smylers@stripey.com on 2009-02-27)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from poehlman1@comcast.net on 2009-02-27)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-02-27)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from Smylers@stripey.com on 2009-02-27)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from Smylers@stripey.com on 2009-02-27)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from Smylers@stripey.com on 2009-02-27)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-02-27)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from joshue.oconnor@cfit.ie on 2009-02-27)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-02-27)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from joshue.oconnor@cfit.ie on 2009-02-27)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from lhs@malform.no on 2009-02-27)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from simonp@opera.com on 2009-02-27)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-02-27)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-02-27)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from lhs@malform.no on 2009-02-27)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-02-27)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from lhs@malform.no on 2009-02-27)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from rob@robburns.com on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from rob@robburns.com on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from rob@robburns.com on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from rob@robburns.com on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from mattmay@adobe.com on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from P.Taylor@Rhul.Ac.Uk on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from mattmay@adobe.com on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from P.Taylor@Rhul.Ac.Uk on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from mattmay@adobe.com on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from poehlman1@comcast.net on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from mattmay@adobe.com on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from lhs@malform.no on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from P.Taylor@Rhul.Ac.Uk on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from P.Taylor@Rhul.Ac.Uk on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-02-26)
- minutes: HTML WG Weekly 26 Feb 2009 (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-02-26)
- minutes: HTML WG Weekly 26 Feb 2009 (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from lhs@malform.no on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from pjt47@cam.ac.uk on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from faulkner.steve@gmail.com on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from faulkner.steve@gmail.com on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from jgraham@opera.com on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from faulkner.steve@gmail.com on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from faulkner.steve@gmail.com on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from simonp@opera.com on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from faulkner.steve@gmail.com on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from joshue.oconnor@cfit.ie on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from faulkner.steve@gmail.com on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from simonp@opera.com on 2009-02-26)
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- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from lhs@malform.no on 2009-02-26)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from joshue.oconnor@cfit.ie on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from gez.lemon@gmail.com on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from poehlman1@comcast.net on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from poehlman1@comcast.net on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from mattmay@adobe.com on 2009-02-25)
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- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from faulkner.steve@gmail.com on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from poehlman1@comcast.net on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from poehlman1@comcast.net on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from poehlman1@comcast.net on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from poehlman1@comcast.net on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from poehlman1@comcast.net on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from poehlman1@comcast.net on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from janina@rednote.net on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from janina@rednote.net on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from wloughborough@gmail.com on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from poehlman1@comcast.net on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from rob@robburns.com on 2009-02-25)
- minutes: HTML WG telecon 2009-02-19 [draft] (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-02-19)
- minutes: HTML WG telecon 2009-02-10 [draft] (from oedipus@hicom.net on 2009-02-12)
- Re: revised table headers design is OK, right? (from chaals@opera.com on 2009-02-11)
- revised table headers design is OK, right? (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-02-11)
- head@profile: another dropped attribute (from masinter@adobe.com on 2009-02-04)
- RE: table-summary argument (from masinter@adobe.com on 2009-02-03)
- table-summary argument (from masinter@adobe.com on 2009-02-03)
- minutes: HTML WG weekly telcon 22 Jan 2009 (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-01-23)
- minutes: HTML Weekly Teleconference 15 Jan 2009 (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-01-16)
- Table feedback (from ian@hixie.ch on 2008-12-20)
- Re: toward a schedule of HTML WG issues (from connolly@w3.org on 2008-08-22)
- Re: toward a schedule of HTML WG issues (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2008-08-22)
- toward a schedule of HTML WG issues (from connolly@w3.org on 2008-08-21)
- {minutes} HTML WG issue-tracking telcon 2008-06-26 (from mike@w3.org on 2008-07-09)
- {minutes} HTML WG issue-tracking telcon 2008-06-19 (from mike@w3.org on 2008-06-25)
- {minutes} HTML WG issue-tracking telcon 2008-06-12 (from mike@w3.org on 2008-06-19)
- Re: several messages about tables and related subjects (from ian@hixie.ch on 2008-03-23)
- ISSUE-32 (table-summary): Include a summary attribute for tables? [HTML 5 spec] (from sysbot+tracker@w3.org on 2008-02-07)
Related notes:
Rejected by editor due to unclear problem description.
Ian Hickson, 23 Mar 2008, 19:32:35See also: http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/SummaryForTABLE
Shawn Medero, 25 Sep 2008, 16:07:23Joshue's wiki page was sent to public-html in August 2008 but it looks like the email discussion didn't get linked up to this issue:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Jun/0330.html
Ian Hickson may have followed up here:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Aug/0505.html
It wasn't clear to me that he reviewed the wiki summary from this email as Ian is primarily responding to Al Gilman's comments
citing editor's position, WAI PF position; balancing description a bit
Dan Connolly, 19 Feb 2009, 21:27:55A more recent (29 Feb 2008) table@summary study from Philip Taylor: http://canvex.lazyilluminati.com/misc/summary-20090226.html
Shawn Medero, 26 Feb 2009, 16:40:05Still ongoing as of March 2009
Joshue O Connor, 10 Mar 2009, 10:14:32To move issue 32 toward resolution asked PFWG for comments on several items (May 4, 2009):
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009May/0033.html
Asked PFWG Chair when would be a reasonable date to expect a reply from PF (June 6, 2009).
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2009Jun/0003.html
PF Response: @Summary from Janina Sajka
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2009Jun/0026.html
Response from editor and ensuing discussion:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jun/thread.html#msg173
Discussion in June 4, 2009 Teleconference:
http://www.w3.org/2009/06/04-html-wg-minutes.html#item05
Issue is at an impasse. Sam will send message to working group on summary to update wiki in preparation for vote.
ACTION: Joshue to draft @summary voting text in conjunction with PF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/25-html-wg-minutes.html#action01]
Joshue O Connor, 25 Jun 2009, 16:33:37ACTION-136 Spec Text Drafted
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/136
http://dev.w3.org/html5/pf-summary/Overview.html#the-table-element
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0553.html
[MikeSmith]: see also http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7633 (The use of @summary should be encouraged when circumstances warrant)
29 Sep 2009, 04:55:48Related Bugzilla - Bug 7539
Since @summary is an official part of the table element, it is no longer obsolete. Sufficient warning language exists in it's definition that this entry should be removed:
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7539
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0091.html
http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=5998&to=5999
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