W3C Web Observatory Group Teleconference confirmed for Wed April 24 4-5pm London time
Dear Observers
I am pleased to confirm that our April Teleconference will be on Wednesday, April 24, 2013 4:00 PM – 5:00 PM London (15:00-16:00 UTC).
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Thanks – looking forward to the meeting.
— Dave
Topic: W3C Web Observatory teleconference
Date: Wednesday, 24 April 2013
Time: 16:00, GMT Summer Time (London, GMT+01:00)
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The slides for agenda items 1 and 2 are available in:
PDF https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15772302/W3CWebObsApril2013.pdf
PowerPoint https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15772302/W3CWebObsApril2013.pptx
Thanks to Kevin Page for scribing the call (see below).
dder:
dder:
… many conversations going on around web observatories
… Could take a view that could just collect data and make available, but actually this is about what people *do* with the data
… Lots of activity about research data online at the moment; we don’t intend to duplicate this; what we are doing here may inform this… not just data sets but data flows
dder:
… workshop at Web Science 2012
… putting research data on the web vs. an observatory for web science
… what questions do we want to ask of the observatory?
… what if the observation interferes with the data?
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… “Web as lens”/”Web as infrastructure”/”Web as artefact” at MS Research Faculty summit
… a particular aspect is w.r.t. Social Machines which is a particular UK/EU research focus at the moment
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… Workshop after ISWC in Boston
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… Plug and Play analytics -> WebObs “app store” -> social side
… but you’re not necessarily downloading the data… non-consumptive research
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… this group could be about this interface… how do web observatories interoperate and share?
… arrows going both ways… a two way interface… contributions flow both says
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… the descriptive layer that is shared between these layers (what this CG might define for interop)
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… this slide might describe what this group is doing… not questions to answer now but we should consider what we want to do
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… Building Web Observatories workshop in Paris
Thanassis: to exchange notes on the challenges of building these Web Obs
… many technologies, what are the challenges
… second session on interoperability, how we build these layers and exchange layers
dder:
… WOW2013 at WWW
… some papers are examples of specific observatories, some are about methods over them
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… Theory and Practice of Social Machines @ WWW2013
… will be of interest to CG members
… some speaker and attendee overlap between this and WOW
Paola: Knowledge Infrastructure slide: what is the rationale for this figure/image?
dder: This came about out of one of the workshop papers giving a holistic view… not a system architecture… trying to pull out that what we may want to focus on in this group is a descriptive layer
… but also that there are people in this system
Paola: So the suggeston is… people will define how they want the observatory to function
dder: yes… not an operational picture
Paul: what are lengths of calls?
… trouble understanding the goals of the group
… we want to build *a* web observatory?
… we want to build interop?
… would be interesting to me to build a taxonomy of what people have, want
… what are our goals?
dder: Noted that we don’t need to have a charter, but perhaps it would be good to have one?
Paul: we’re building, trying to extract data from crawls of provenance data… collecting from the web… would be interested to know from the group what other WebObs efforts are building, what technologies they’re using
Ahmed: First time anyone from DERI joined the call… we have something set up as a dynamic linked data observatory, 94000 urls/documents, weekly crawl of the data, provide data for community, also our own analysis. Have a paper at ESWC next month. 11 months in have 45 or so snapshots.
Filippo: We have a dataset about the web but not on the web. large collection of web traffic. how do we deal with this kind of dataset where there is a challenge of a legal nature? We our building our system, have designed an API, presented at forthcoming workshops
???: First version of API released, gives out tweet stats but not tweet text, which hashtags were popular etc.
… also building a larger distributed database system for arbitrary search patterns… long term project
dder: google “truthy” to find this
Paola: Building an observatory, I’m being observed by the observatory… trying to put together my research plan… have some initial requirements of what I would want to get from an observatory… web is so big and dynamic, and uncontrollable in many ways… so just defining the act of observing would be a great start
Pete: Collaborative Online Social Observatory: harvesting data from a number of sources, social media sites, but also more curated sources (INS). Enabling people to do an analysis over these data sets… the links between these need thinking through… the idea of the platform is that people can develop their own analytics and drop them into their workflows… a scalable observatory… dealing with scaling, interoperability with system but perhaps with other observatories too using analytics from other sources
Thanassis: Web Science Trust: Ian Brown project manager, trying to build up (APIs?) from the bottom up. My view is that there are many… interoperability is key… WST.. analytics… visualisation… gathering tools… some data source you just harvest and store…
… storage we have a (proprietary?) infrastructure for data query interface
… also looking at schemas for data description
dder: forward planning
… suggests: discussion about informal charter
… want this to be bottom up
… have some very interesting existing observatories, so on future calls we could go into detail
Pete: would like details on observatories
Paola: calls – about once a month, when I’m stationary. also interested in drilling into specific observatories
… obs mission at this stage… priority at the moment should be using all these data sets, on the assumption that there’s lots of data out there
… consolidating data so we can ask these questions to observe (critial) human behaviours worldwide
dder: Bernie Hogan at OII has proposed this: each WebObs make a list of their data. Second, a challenge in analytics to do this across observatories, identify what some of those questions might be. Start by asking what the questions are.
dder: Thanks all… meeting adjourned!