Minutes and Resolutions October F2F: css3-color, css3-background, border-parts, constants/variables
CSS3 Color
Spent some time explaining to the IBM accessibility guy that
- CSS system colors are not a good solution to accessible coloring of custom widgets. (This is why they are deprecated.)
- Deprecated things are still required to be supported, so they are not going away anyway.
David Baron will be clarifying the spec to make this clear.
CSS3 Backgrounds and Borders
Discussed two-token lookahead problem caused by the new fallback color syntax. No resolutions.
Constants/Variables
fantasai had an action item from the last F2F to draw up a parse-time constants counter-proposal to CSS Variables. This was completed and presented.
border-parts
Håkon presented a proposal for a border-parts property, which defines an on/off mask over the border as a series of lengths. There was lots of discussion about syntax, and lots of skepticism about its usability and utility.
Minutes and Resolutions 2008-09-17
- Reviewed Bert’s updates to the charter
- Resolved: No change to section numbering in CSS3 Color
- Daniel to take concerns about W3C’s use of the word “interoperable” to the HTCG / W3C Chairs group
- Resolved: No negative border-spacing in CSS2.1, but added issue for CSS3 Tables
- Resolved: CSSWG members to review SVG Tiny 1.2 and send issues to www-svg, bcc www-style, and add a link to the archive on an issues list on the wiki. (Each person submitting an issue needs to update the wiki.)
MInutes and Resolutions 2008-10-08
- Resolved: Anne’s clarification to error-handling in Media Queries kept: no change, commas are error-handling points. (See David Baron’s message for the issue.)
- Resolved: Publish Media Queries as Last Call, deadline for comments 4 weeks after TPAC.
- Resolved: Add “Avoid breaking inside a replaced element” for CSS2.1 Issue 74
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Minutes and Resolutions 2008-10-01
- Charter has been sent to AC for approval.
- Resolved: Add to CSS3 Marquee Bert’s note:
Note that the ‘direction’ property is often set by rules in the UA style sheet based on mark-up in the document, as recommended in CSS 2.1 [CSS21] section 9.10 (“Text direction: the ‘direction’ and ‘unicode-bidi’ properties”).
- Resolved: Publish CSS3 Marquee as CR
- Resolved: For CSS2.1 Issue 73 accepted to clarify spec that comments are not allowed inside url() syntax, pending Microsoft’s approval.
- Resolved: Proposal accepted for CSS2.1 Issue 74
- Resolved: For CSS2.1 Issue 76, proposed to rewrite 1st paragraph of 13.2.3 Content outside the page box as (changes emphasized)
When formatting content in the page model, some content may end up outside the current page box. For example, an element whose ‘white-space’ property has the value ‘pre’ may generate a box that is wider than the page box. As another example, when boxes are positioned absolutely or relatively, they may end up in “inconvenient” locations. For example, images may be placed on the edge of the page box or 100,000 meters below the page box.
- Resolved: For CSS2.1 Issue 77 accepted Saloni’s proposal with the last sentence changed to “Parts of the fixed position box that are not visible in the initial containing block will not print.”
- Added printing of overflow: scroll and Interaction of computed height and page breaking to TPAC agenda.
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Resolutions 2008-09-10
- Discussed Bert’s proposal for bolder/lighter. David Baron expressed some concerns about how this would impact mixed script mixed font text.
- RESOLVED: Will publish Media Queries as LC with 4 weeks for comment, aim for CR early after TPAC
- Discussed Microsoft’s new vendor-extension’ed syntax for non-standard properties.
- Discussed ‘page’ property and problem of styling the first page of a section differently from the rest of the section.
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CSS3 Backgrounds and Borders Working Draft Published
We’ve published a new official Working Draft of the CSS Backgrounds and Borders Module Level 3. Some major changes from the last draft include:
Check it out and send us some feedback. This draft is in the stabilizing phase: the next publication should be the last one before Candidate Rec, and we’d rather get your comments this round. The plan is to do some more polish work, respond to comments and suggestions, and then publish a Last Call with this feature set near the end of the year.
Resolutions 2008-09-03
Reviewed status of LC specs:
- CSS3 Color has some editorial comments. Needs implementation reports to go to PR.
- Selectors needs some changes in response to substantive issues
- 2007 Snapshot is waiting for Selectors
- CSS3 Paged Media will be republished as LC soonish
- Print Profile is waiting to be updated to match Paged Media
- CSS3 Fonts is in LC, technically, but is going back to WD
- Marquee also in LC
Discussed grammar of @page wrt @margin-box rules. Created CSS 2.1 Issue 71 in response.
Resolved: @rules inside declaration blocks are ignored if between declarations (i.e. at the beginning of a declaration before the property), invalid if within declarations. (CSS2.1 Issue 71)
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Minutes and Resolutions August F2F: CSS3 Etc.
Filed ISSUE-61 against CSS3 Fonts spec
John Daggett presented an overview of CSS3 Fonts including a discussion of:
- interpretation of mixed nested ‘bolder’ and ‘lighter’ keywords
- history of font formats used on the Web
- font-size-adjust
- extending font-variant
- security issues with downloadable fonts
- Discussed structure of GCPM and its relationshp to other drafts.
- Discussed
border-length feature, alternative syntaxes, and moving it to Backgrounds and Borders
- Discussed
text-replacement proposal. Several members strongly feel it does not belong in CSS but rather as part of a transformation language that uses CSS syntax.
- Discussed
bookmark feature. Several members are skeptical that this belongs in CSS as it’s conveying semantic, not stylistic, information.
- Discussed extensions to
float.
Vertical Text
- Resolved: Split out veritcal text feature into its own draft. Microsoft plans to work on this spec as they already have an implementation.
- Discussed terminology for describing vertical text layout model.
- Resolved: Rename
block-progression to block-flow
- Resolved: Use terms “logical width” and “logical height” to refer to the inline dimension and block flow dimension of a box respectively.
- Resolved: Use terms “vertical text mode” and ‘horizontal text mode” to differentiate horizontal and vertical block flows.
- Resolved: No keywords in calc() for
background-position
- Resolved: Accept 4-value syntax for
background-position in editor’s draft: 4 values that require two keywords, allow zero values to be skipped.
- Resolved: Proposal to add
transparent keyword to border-image rejected. (ISSUE-28)
- Resolved: No change to names of
background-clip and background-origin
- Resolved: Publish new Working Draft of CSS3 Backgrounds and Borders, take this set of functionality to CR.
CSS Variables
- Daniel presented some changes to the CSS Variables proposal and Hyatt’s experimental implementation in WebKit.
- Several people felt that parse-time macros would be preferable, and would indeed be required for handling multi-declaration substitution.
Miscellaneous
- Mentioned styling of video controls, skipped topic for lack of proposal or implementor interest.
- Very long discussion of
<br> and how it behaves in the CSS formatting model.
- href=”http://csswg.inkedblade.net/test/harness”>browseable test harness
- Discussed (briefly) Template Layout module
- Reviewed charter with Philippe Le Hégaret
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- Day 1
- “CSS 2.1 Issue 52 and Definition of BR”, “Definition of BR (continued)”, “Test Harness”
- Day 2
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“GCPM”,
“GCPM: border-length”,
“GCPM: Text Replacement”,
“GCPM: Bookmarks”,
“Extensions to the float property”,
“Vertical text and CSS3 Text Layout”,
“Vertical Layout Terminology”,
“CSS3 Fonts”,
“CSS3 Fonts: Extending font-variant”
- Day 2
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“Agenda” (video controls),
“Block Flow”,
“CSS3 Backgrounds and Borders”,
“Template Layout”,
“Charter”,
“CSS Variables”
Minutes and Resolutions August F2F: CSS2.1
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Resolved: For CSS2.1 Issue 14 replace
The bottom margin of an in-flow block-level element with a ‘height’ of ‘auto’ and ‘min-height’ less than the element’s used height and ‘max-height’ greater than the element’s used height is adjoining to its last in-flow block-level child’s bottom margin if the element has no bottom padding or border.
with
The bottom margin of an in-flow block-level element is adjoining to its last in-flow block-level child’s bottom margin when:
- the element’s specified ‘height’ is ‘auto’,
- the element’s used height is the same as it would have been if the specified values of ‘min-height’ and ‘max-height’ were their initial values
- the element has no bottom padding or border
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Resolved:
Proposal accepted for CSS2.1 Issue 32 (@ not followed by a valid identifier).
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Resolved: No change for CSS2.1 Issue 35
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Resolved: Proposal accepted for CSS2.1 Issue 42 (Static position should also assume clear: none)
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Resolved: For CSS2.1 Issue 46 (Clarify how media queries qualify style rules) accept proposal plus prepend “The import only take effect if the target medium matches the media list.” to last paragraph in 6.3
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Resolved: Proposal accepted for CSS2.1 Issue 48 (Remove outdated parts of bolder/lighter definition)
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Resolved: For CSS2.1 Issue 49 (Clarify computed value for bolder/lighter) leave behavior of mixed nested bolder and lighter undefined and add the following note:
Note: A set of nested elements that mix ‘bolder’ and ‘lighter’ will give unpredictable results depending on the UA, OS, and font availability. This behavior will be more precisely defined in CSS3.
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Resolved: For CSS2.1 Issue 52 say that page-break-* “may apply to other elements” besides block-level elements.
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Resolved: Proposal accepted for CSS2.1 Issue 51 and CSS2.1 Issue 62.
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Resolved: For CSS2.1 Issue 70 change “Vertical margins of elements with ‘overflow’ other than ‘visible'” to “Vertical margins of block formatting contexts (such as floats and elements with ‘overflow’ other than ‘visible’)”
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Discussed progress on CSS2.1 Test Suite
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Resolved: Periodically publish Editor’s Draft of CSS2.1 that incorporates errata.
Full minutes:
- Day 1
- “CSS2.1 Issues”
- Day 2
- “Roadmap for Completion of CSS2.1”, “Republishing CSS2.1”
- Day 3
- “CSS2.1 Issues”
MInutes and Resolutions 2008-08-13
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Resolved: Make proposed editorial changes to Mobile Profile and republish.
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Resolved: Text decoration should propagate through table elements. (CSS2.1 Issue 56)
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Resolved: Accepted proposal for CSS2.1 Issue 54 (specify left or right position for list markers based on ‘direction’) with the word “elements” replaced by “list items”.
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