Meeting minutes
Guests and IEs
McCool: I don't believe we have any guests
… Larry called in earlier, but he left
… had a call with Charith, working on that
… nothing major and no guests today
Minutes Review
<kaz> Oct-16
McCool: Reviewed them in the chairs call
… fixed a few typos, otherwise basically ready
… any more comments?
… Just to recap, we reviewed the TPAC minutes, talked about the ETSI liason
… as you are here, Ege, we need to keep in mind the potential conflict with ETSI
Ege: CG call is one hour before the next ETSI meeting
Kaz: Please remember that the WoT Chairs and W3C staff also want to join the CG calls some time but the CG call might be overlapped with the WoT Chairs call.
McCool: Hearing no objections to publishing the minutes, minutes are approved
Quick Items
Eclipse Thingweb presentation
Ege: Will present tomorrow at the Eclipse OCX
McCool: Are there slides you can share with us?
Ege: Not done yet
McCool: No problem, please just upload them once you are ready
Ege: Will do
… interesting aspect: it is also a fair
… and there is one company that is dealing with Smart Cities and they said that they have a southbound WoT 1.0 connector
… but I could not find any information on their website
McCool: Generally difficult to find information about who is using WoT
Ege: Should be the task of the CG
… but we cannot do it on behalf of the companies
McCool: Would be nice if the companies could edit that information themselves
… topic for future discussions
Meetups
WoT CG
McCool: ETSI call is at 10 AM eastern
… chairs call is at 9 AM
… so there is a conflict
… Kaz, what are the options for moving the call here?
Kaz: If we could move the CG call, we could do so
… need to look into the details of the calendar a bit more
Sebastian: The conflict happens due to the timeshift this Sunday
McCool: This time we forgot about the timeshift
… generally, we schedule meetings based on the eastern timezone
… so there should not be a conflict
… Ege, what timezone did you use to schedule the meetings?
Ege: Central European Tiime
McCool: That is the reason, even though it is annoying, would be great if you could keep that in mind for the future
… for now, we can move the chairs call to avoid the conflict
… since people have already planned for the meeting
… important thing is the ETSI call, let me make a note in the Wiki that it is going to take place at 10 AM
Kaz: I though originally that CG calls would be held on Thursday
… but not they are sometimes held on Mondays or Tuesdays
… in the future, one hour earlier than the ETSI call should be avoided
McCool: Would be better to have a fixed slot in general
… could reschedule the chairs call
Ege: We had to find a different slot since the speakers were not available on Thursdays
Kaz: My point is we should coordinate better in the future
McCool: Should also make things consistent, like timezones
Kaz: There will not be a rescheduling of the chairs call, right?
McCool: We can resolve it via email
… or now. My suggestion would be moving the chairs call one hour earlier
Kaz: Based on eastern time
McCool: Yes
The others agree to moving the call
McCool: You should have received an invite to the CG event
… will also adjust the calendar entry for the chairs call right now
… or later, since it is hard to find.
McCool: Next meeting of the CG will be on November 5, that is a regular call
… that is going to be at 11 AM eastern
… you also have the office hours in CEST, so maybe you want to change that, too
Ege: Will do so after the timeshift
WoT JP CG
Mizushima: No updates
Smart City IG
Kaz: Will switch to regular meetings in November, sending reminders to potential participants to get more participants by then
McCool: There is also an edge computing CG which is partly related to smart cities, you will receive an invite later
Liasons
OPC Foundation
Sebastian: Yesterday there was the regular call
… unfortunately, I could not make it
… but there was a good discussion on a first draft ontology for the binding, as I heard
McCool: Reminds me of the JSON-LD discussion we had at TPAC
… regarding versioning
… need to pin that down as it is highly relevant for bindings like OPCUA and ETSI
ETSI ISG CIM
McCool: There is going to be another meeting on the 10th
Kaz: will ask the W3C Liaison Team to update the Liaison contact for ETSI with Franck and Patrick, based on the previous discussions
McCool: Need to update deliverables and get organized
… probably want to have some kind of binding to their APIs
… will be interesting in the context of smart cities in particular
… would be great if people could review their materials
… would be good to index the material to prepare for the meetings
<kaz> NGSI-LD Liaison targets
Holidays and Cancellations
McCool: Need to apologize for cancelling the Use Cases call last minute
… will have a regular call next week
… need to update our holiday schedule
… we only have two months left in the year
… also holidays, that will conflict directly with the chairs call
… there is also a conflict with Thanksgiving, which is a staff holiday in the US
… which needs to dealt with by the TD call
Koster: Might only be me, but we will sort it out
Scripting API Call
McCool: The slot is moving
… to 11 AM CET
… in Eastern Time that is 5 AM
Kaz: We talked about that in last weeks call
… need some clarification from Cristiano and Daniel
… since it is quite early for non-Europeans
… since Cristiano is not available, need to resolve that later or via email
McCool: Generally, there is only a very narrow window that is suitable, need to keep that in mind, even though it leads to more conflicts
F2F Planning
<kaz> WoT Week wiki
Sebastian: Let's talk about that in the Plugfest call
McCool: Should have mentioned that slot in the beginning
… will focus on the Plugfest as it is only a few weeks away now
… need to reschedule the Profile call
… do you consider a different timeslot for Profiles, Luca?
lb: Either we try to find another time
… or assuming that the people currently involved update the GitHub issue we can avoid the meeting for the next couple of weeks
… but that depends on the people to get involved
McCool: I guess the option here would be to cancel the call until the Plugfest
… and then you have a few weeks until Christmas
… also need to keep in mind other conflicts
lb: I would not schedule more meetings, but we should have weekly updates
McCool: Maybe in the TD call on Thursday? 5 to 10 minutes?
Everyone agrees with that proposal
McCool: Will have the Plugfest call in the same Zoom call after this meeting
Policies
McCool: Michael, do you have anything to discuss here?
Koster: Not sure, let's put this on the agenda for next call and resolve it then
McCool: I think we should resolve the versioning proposal soon
… the others are more procedural
… I guess we could also table these for the F2F
… but we need actual PRs for these
TF Leads
McCool: Still don't have leads for several TFs
… agreed to defer discover, should probably focus on architecture first
… regarding the use case call: We should probably focus on curating existing requirements
… instead of creating new ones
… I plan on joining the TD call on Thursdays
… from that, we should try to come up with a template for requirements
… should do a quick test run with the template
… and once we have figured out the test run, we should process a lot of issues at the same time, in a bulk fashion
… hope to be done with the most part by Christmas
… hope to finish up TD by the end of the year and focus on other aspects such as Discovery and Security in the new year
… any comments on that?
No comments
McCool: I'll try to create some short presentation material
… is it okay if I can use 5-10 minutes for that on Thursday during the TD call
Ege: Actually, we reserved time for use cases on Thursday during the TD call
… also need to discuss the process of what triggers the use case process
McCool: Great, then we are aligned here
Other Liasons
<kaz> WoT Liaisons in general
SDW
McCool: We had a meeting with SDW WG (Spatial Data on the Web WG) during TPAC
… I know the SDW WG is being rechartered at the moment
… discovery is also deferred at the moment, so maybe some discussion to be done by the WoT CG side
Kaz: Discussion by the WoT CG side is fine
… but we (WoT WG/IG) should also continue the discussion with the SDW WG guys although the rechartering is still ongoing
McCool: Question is whether we should schedule a meeting
… discussion has been ongoing for years
Kaz: Smart city IG could also invite them and bring the results back to the WoT working group
… the question is also a bit which group should discuss what at which time
… could continue the discussion in the chairs call later
McCool: Moving the dicussion to the Smart City IG sounds good
… do you want to define that as an Action Item, kaz?
Kaz: Yeah, will continue to talk to them
ECHONET
McCool: Is there anything new?
Kaz: Got a message from an ECHONET representative
… they will join the WoT Week in November, remotely
McCool: Would be good to include them in the F2F as well
… but it will be difficult due to the timezone
Kaz: Will stay in contact with them
IETF
McCool: We have not talked to them in a long time
Microsoft DTDL
McCool: This is now merged in the OPCUA activity, right?
Sebastian: Would be perfect to discuss this with Microsoft during WoT Week
McCool: Would be great to start organizing the agenda
… for now we only need a few bullet items for Microsoft and SDW
… by the way, IEEE P2874 is also related to the Smart City topic
TF Reports
McCool: Any updates here?
Scripting API
Daniel: Don't know whether you talked about the timeslot for Scripting
McCool: Talked about it, noticed that it is quite early for North America
… also you planned it in CET
… should take this into account for the future
… your doodle also only included people already participating in the call
… in general, you should try to fit the call in the narrow timeframe that works across most timezones
Daniel: Will discuss this in the next meeting
… the old timeslot was not working anymore
… but we will consider your concerns
TD and Binding Templates
Ege: Regarding the TD updates: The main thing currently is this initial connection topic
… grouping reusable aspects at the top-level
… that is the main technical issue at the moment
… the main non-technical one is about use cases
… spent one slot last week, will continue this week
… at the moment, we are doing too much administrative stuff
McCool: Yeah, I'll try to resolve the issue until the end of this year
Ege: You can find a summary in the TD agenda
… of the technical topics we are discussion
Marketing
Ege: Not that much
… did some Mastodon posts about WoT week
… got some traction
… and discussion, but other than that not that much at the moment
AOB
No other business
McCool: This is the end of the main call, the discussion will continue in the Plugfest call
Sebastian: We opened the Plugfest call for guests, so let's not keep them waiting too much
[adjourned]