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12:02:12 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG/IG
12:02:17 <kaz> chair: McCool
12:02:50 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, David_Ezell, Josh_Thomas, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster, Jan_Romann
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12:05:22 <JKRhb> scribenick: JKRhb
12:05:36 <JKRhb> topic: Agenda Review
12:05:53 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#23_October_2024
12:05:58 <kaz> regrets+ Sebastian
12:05:59 <JKRhb> mm: I don't believe we have any guests
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12:06:08 <JKRhb> ... Larry called in earlier, but he left
12:06:15 <JKRhb> ... had a call with Sharif, working on that
12:06:23 <JKRhb> ... nothing major and no guests today
12:06:27 <kaz> s/Agenda Review/Guests and IEs/
12:06:27 <JKRhb> topic: Minutes Review
12:06:36 <JKRhb> mm: Reviewed them in the chairs call
12:06:46 <kaz> i|Rev|-> https://www.w3.org/2024/10/16-wot-minutes.html Oct-16|
12:06:47 <JKRhb> ... fixed a few typos, otherwise basically ready
12:06:51 <JKRhb> ... any more comments?
12:06:53 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
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12:06:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/10/23-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:07:10 <kaz> present+ Luca_Barbato
12:07:11 <JKRhb> ... Just to recap, we reviewed the TPAC minutes, talked about the ETSI liason
12:07:19 <kaz> q+
12:07:36 <JKRhb> ... as you here, Ege, we need to keep in mind the potential conflict with ETSI
12:07:50 <JKRhb> ek: CG call is one hour before the next ETSI meeting
12:08:10 <kaz> ack k
12:08:10 <JKRhb> kaz: Please remember that the W3C staff also wants to join the CG calls some time
12:08:25 <kaz> s/W3C staff/WoT Chairs and W3C staff/
12:08:26 <JKRhb> mm: Hearing no objections to publishing the minutes, minutes are approved
12:08:31 <kaz> s/wants/want/
12:08:33 <JKRhb> topic: Quick Items
12:08:43 <JKRhb> subtopic: Eclipse Thingweb presentation
12:08:54 <JKRhb> ek: Will present tomorrow at the Eclipse OCX
12:09:02 <kaz> s/some time/some time but the CG call might be overlapped with the WoT Chairs call./
12:09:03 <JKRhb> mm: Are there slides you can share with us?
12:09:07 <JKRhb> ek: Not done yet
12:09:22 <JKRhb> mm: No problem, please just upload them once you are ready
12:09:26 <kaz> present- Sebastian
12:09:29 <JKRhb> ek: Will do
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12:09:38 <JKRhb> ... interesting aspect: it is also a fair
12:09:44 <mahda> present+ Mahda_Noura
12:09:47 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch, Mahda_Noura, Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:09:53 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:10:06 <JKRhb> ... and there is one company that is dealing with Smart Cities and they said that they have a southbound WoT 1.0 connector
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12:10:11 <sebastian> q+
12:10:15 <JKRhb> ... but I could not find any information on their website
12:10:31 <JKRhb> mm: Generally difficult to find information about who is using WoT
12:10:40 <JKRhb> ek: Should be the task of the CG
12:10:51 <JKRhb> ... but we cannot do it on behalve of the companies
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12:11:06 <JKRhb> mm: Would be nice if the companies could edit that information themselves
12:11:06 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:11:14 <JKRhb> ... topic for future discussions
12:11:17 <JKRhb> topic: WoT CG
12:11:28 <JKRhb> mm: ETSI call is at 10 PM eastern
12:11:33 <kaz> i/WoT CG/topic: Meetups/
12:11:38 <JKRhb> .... chairs call is at 9 AM
12:11:43 <JKRhb> s/PM/AM/
12:11:43 <kaz> s/topic: WoT/subtopic: WoT/
12:11:49 <kaz> q+
12:11:51 <JKRhb> ... so there is a conflict
12:11:59 <JKRhb> ... Kaz, what are the options for moving the call here?
12:12:08 <JKRhb> kaz: If we could move the CG call, we could do so
12:12:22 <JKRhb> ... need to look into the details of the calendar a bit more
12:12:40 <JKRhb> sk: The conflict happens due to the timeshift this Sunday
12:12:47 <kaz> q+
12:13:03 <JKRhb> mm: This time we forgot about the timeshift
12:13:20 <JKRhb> ... generally, we schedule meetings based on the eastern timezone
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12:13:41 <JKRhb> ... so there should not be a conflict
12:13:55 <JKRhb> ... Ege, what timezone did you use to schedule the meetings?
12:14:01 <JKRhb> ek: Central European Tiime
12:14:26 <JKRhb> mm: That is the reason, even though it is annoying, would be great if you could keep that  in mind for the future
12:14:34 <kaz> q-
12:14:36 <kaz> q+
12:14:38 <kaz> ack s
12:14:39 <JKRhb> ... for now, we can move the chairs call to avoid the conflict
12:14:50 <JKRhb> ... since people have already planned for the meeting
12:15:16 <JKRhb> ... important thing is the ETSI call, let me make a note in the Wiki that it is going to take place at 10 AM
12:15:30 <JKRhb> kaz: I though originally that CG calls would be held on Thursday
12:15:35 <mjk> q?
12:15:42 <JKRhb> ... but not they are sometimes held on Mondays or Tuesdays
12:16:03 <kaz> ack k
12:16:05 <JKRhb> ... in the future, one hour earlier than the ETSI call should be avoided
12:16:20 <JKRhb> mm: Would be better to have a fixed slot in general
12:16:34 <JKRhb> ... could reschedule the chairs call
12:16:58 <JKRhb> ek: We had to find a different slot since the speakers were not available on Thursdays
12:17:13 <JKRhb> kaz: My point is we should coordinate better in the future
12:17:38 <JKRhb> mm: Should also make things consistent, like timezones
12:17:54 <JKRhb> kaz: There will not be a rescheduling of the chairs call, right?
12:18:02 <JKRhb> mm: We can resolve it via email
12:18:33 <JKRhb> ... or now. My suggestion would be moving the chairs call one hour earlier
12:18:42 <JKRhb> kaz: Based on eastern time
12:18:46 <JKRhb> mm: Yes
12:18:55 <JKRhb> The others agree to moving the call
12:19:36 <JKRhb> mm: You should have received an invite to the CG event
12:20:04 <JKRhb> ... will also adjust the calendar entry for the chairs call right now
12:20:40 <JKRhb> ... or later, since it is hard to find.
12:21:14 <JKRhb> mm: Next meeting of the CG will be on November 5, that is a regular call
12:21:26 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:21:45 <JKRhb> ... that is going to be at 11 AM eastern
12:22:21 <JKRhb> ... you also have the office hours in CEST, so maybe you want to change that, too
12:22:28 <JKRhb> ek: Will do so after the timeshift
12:22:34 <kaz> q?
12:22:38 <JKRhb> topic: WoT JP CG
12:22:39 <kaz> q+
12:22:44 <JKRhb> tm: No updates
12:22:51 <JKRhb> topic: Smart City CG
12:23:09 <kaz> s/CG/IG/
12:23:17 <JKRhb> kaz: Will switch to regular meetings at the end of this month, will try to get more participants then
12:23:51 <kaz> s/at the end of this month/in November/
12:23:52 <mjk> q+
12:23:57 <kaz> q-
12:24:01 <JKRhb> mm: There is also an edge computing CG which is partly related to smart cities, you will receive an invite later
12:24:02 <kaz> s/then/by then/
12:24:11 <JKRhb> topic: Liasons
12:24:18 <JKRhb> subtopic: OPC Foundation
12:24:22 <kaz> s/will try to/sending reminders to potential participants to/
12:24:27 <JKRhb> sk: Yesterday there was the regular call
12:24:36 <JKRhb> ... unfortunately, I could not make it
12:24:55 <EgeKorkan> q+
12:24:59 <JKRhb> ... but there was a good discussion on a first draft ontology for the binding, as I heard
12:25:20 <JKRhb> mm: Reminds me of the JSON-LD discussion we had at TPAC
12:25:24 <JKRhb> ... regarding versioning
12:25:30 <mjk> ack mjk
12:25:46 <JKRhb> ... need to pin that done as it is highly relevant for bindings like OPCUA and ETSI
12:25:57 <JKRhb> subtopic: ETSI ISG CIM
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12:26:14 <JKRhb> mm: There is going to be another meeting on the 10th
12:26:26 <kaz> q+
12:26:30 <McCool> q?
12:26:35 <McCool> ack e
12:26:50 <McCool> ack k
12:26:59 <JKRhb> kaz: I asked the ETSI people to update their contact details, based on the previous discussions
12:27:15 <JKRhb> mm: Need to update deliverables and get organized
12:27:25 <JKRhb> ... probably want to have some kind of binding to their APIs
12:27:37 <JKRhb> ... will be interesting in the context of smart cities in particular
12:27:46 <JKRhb> ... would be great if people could review their materials
12:27:52 <kaz> s/I asked the ETSI people to update their contact details/will ask the W3C Liaison Team to updated the Liaison contact for ETSI with Franck and Patrick/
12:28:05 <JKRhb> ... would be good to index the material to prepare for the meetings
12:28:16 <JKRhb> topic: Holidays and Cancellations
12:28:28 <JKRhb> mm: Need to apologize for cancelling the Use Cases call last minute
12:28:36 <JKRhb> ... will have a regular call next week
12:28:43 <kaz> i|Holidays|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/proposals/liaisons/ngsi-ld.md NGSI-LD Liaison targets|
12:28:45 <JKRhb> ... need to update our holiday schedule
12:28:58 <JKRhb> ... we only have two months left in the year
12:29:11 <JKRhb> ... also holidays, that will conflict directly with the chairs call
12:29:29 <JKRhb> ... there is also a conflict with Thanksgiving, which is a staff holiday in the US
12:29:43 <JKRhb> ... which needs to dealt with by the TD call
12:29:57 <JKRhb> mjk: Might only be me, but we will sort it out
12:30:06 <JKRhb> subtopic: Scripting API Call
12:30:10 <JKRhb> mm: The slot is moving
12:30:19 <kaz> q+
12:30:22 <JKRhb> ... to 11 AM CET
12:30:35 <JKRhb> ... in Eastern Time that is 5 AM
12:30:48 <JKRhb> kaz: We talked about that in last weeks call
12:31:02 <JKRhb> ... need some clarification from Cristiano and Daniel
12:31:13 <JKRhb> ... since it is quite early for non-Europeans
12:31:29 <JKRhb> ... since Cristiano is not available, need to resolve that later or via email
12:31:54 <JKRhb> mm: Generally, there is only a very narrow window that is suitable, need to keep that in mind, even though it leads to more conflicts
12:32:01 <JKRhb> topic: F2F Planning
12:32:09 <JKRhb> sk: Let's talk about that in the Plugfest call
12:32:20 <JKRhb> mm: Should have mentioned that slot in the beginning
12:32:28 <kaz> i|Let|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_WoT_Week_2024_planning WoT Week wiki|
12:32:33 <JKRhb> ... will focus on the Plugfest as it is only a few weeks away now
12:32:45 <JKRhb> ... need to reschedule the Profile call
12:33:02 <JKRhb> ... do you consider a different timeslot for Profiles, Luca?
12:33:10 <JKRhb> lb: Either we try to find another time
12:33:33 <JKRhb> ... or assuming that the people currently involved update the GitHub issue we can avoid the meeting for the next couple of weeks
12:33:40 <JKRhb> ... but that depends on the people to get involved
12:33:57 <JKRhb> mm: I guess the option here would be to cancel the call until the Plugfest
12:34:06 <JKRhb> ... and then you have a few weeks until Christmas
12:34:18 <JKRhb> ... also need to keep in mind other conflicts
12:34:44 <JKRhb> lb: I would not schedule more meetings, but we should have weekly updates
12:35:03 <JKRhb> mm: Maybe in the TD call on Thursday? 5 to 10 minutes?
12:35:11 <JKRhb> Everyone agrees with that proposal
12:35:28 <JKRhb> mm: Will have the Plugfest call in the same Zoom call after this meeting
12:35:31 <JKRhb> topic: Policies
12:35:46 <JKRhb> mm: Michael, do you have anything to discuss here?
12:36:01 <JKRhb> mjk: Not sure, let's put this on the agenda for next call and resolve it then
12:36:17 <JKRhb> mm: I think we should resolve the versioning proposal soon
12:36:24 <JKRhb> ... the others are more procedural
12:36:38 <JKRhb> ... I guess we could also table these for the F2F
12:36:45 <JKRhb> ... but we need actual PRs for these
12:36:52 <JKRhb> topic: TF Leads
12:36:59 <JKRhb> mm: Still don't have leads
12:37:20 <JKRhb> ... agreed to defer discover, should probably focus on architecture first
12:37:47 <JKRhb> ... regarding the use case call: We should probably focus on curating existing requirements
12:37:53 <JKRhb> ... instead of creating new ones
12:38:06 <JKRhb> ... I plan on joining the TD call on Thursdays
12:38:16 <kaz> s/don't have leads/don't have leads for several TFs/
12:38:30 <JKRhb> ... from that, we should try to come up with a template for requirements
12:38:39 <JKRhb> ... should do a quick test run with the template
12:39:14 <JKRhb> ... and once we have figured out the test run, we should process a lot of issues at the same time, in a bulk fashion
12:39:25 <JKRhb> ... hope to be done with the most part by Christmas
12:39:51 <JKRhb> ... hope to finish up TD by the end of the year and focus on other aspects such as Discovery and Security in the new year
12:40:05 <JKRhb> ... any comments on that?
12:40:10 <JKRhb> No comments
12:40:25 <JKRhb> mm: I'll try to create some short presentation material
12:40:39 <JKRhb> ... is it okay if I can use 5-10 minutes for that on Thursday?
12:40:54 <JKRhb> ek: Actually, we reserved time for use cases on Thursday
12:41:14 <JKRhb> ... also need to discuss the process of what triggers the use case process
12:41:17 <kaz> s/Thursday/Thursday during the TD call/
12:41:26 <JKRhb> mm: Great, then we are aligned here
12:41:51 <JKRhb> topic: Other Liasons
12:42:00 <kaz> s/Thursday?/Thursday during the TD call/
12:42:09 <JKRhb> mm: We had a meeting with spatial @@@ during TPAC
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12:42:31 <JKRhb> ... I know the S2W is paused at the moment
12:42:34 <kaz> q+
12:42:55 <JKRhb> s/paused/being rescheduled/
12:43:07 <JKRhb> ... discovery is also deferred at the moment
12:43:16 <JKRhb> kaz: Discussion is fine
12:43:37 <JKRhb> ... should continue the dicussion with the S2W guys although the rechartering is still ongoing
12:43:47 <JKRhb> mm: Question is whether we should schedule a meeting
12:44:01 <JKRhb> ... discussion has been ongoing for years
12:44:26 <JKRhb> kaz: Smart city IG could also invited them and bring the results back to the WoT working group
12:44:48 <JKRhb> ... the question is also a bit which group should discuss what at which time
12:45:06 <JKRhb> s/invited/invite/
12:45:21 <JKRhb> ... could continue the discussion in the chairs call later
12:45:22 <kaz> s/S2W/SDW WG/g
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12:45:40 <JKRhb> mm: Moving the dicussion to the Smart City IG sounds good
12:45:50 <JKRhb> ... do you want to define that as an Action Item, kaz?
12:46:01 <JKRhb> kaz: Yeah, will continue to talk to them
12:46:08 <kaz> q+
12:46:09 <JKRhb> subtopic: ECHONET
12:46:16 <JKRhb> mm: Is there anything new?
12:46:31 <JKRhb> kaz: Got a message from an ECHONET representative
12:46:46 <JKRhb> ... they will join the WoT Week in November, remotely
12:46:57 <JKRhb> mm: Would be good to include them in the F2F as well
12:47:07 <JKRhb> ... but it will be difficult due to the timezone
12:47:20 <JKRhb> kaz: Will stay in contact with them
12:47:24 <JKRhb> subtopic: IETF
12:47:34 <JKRhb> mm: We have not talked to them in a long time
12:47:43 <JKRhb> subtopic: Microsoft DTDL
12:47:57 <JKRhb> mm: This is now merged in the OPCUA activity, right?
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12:48:01 <kaz> i|We had a meeting|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf/Liaisons WoT Liaisons in general|
12:48:14 <kaz> s/spatial @@@/SDW WG (Spatial Data on the Web WG)/
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12:48:26 <JKRhb> sk: Would be perfect to discuss this with Microsoft during WoT Week
12:48:32 <kaz> s/reschedules/rechartered/
12:48:38 <JKRhb> mm: Would be great to start organizing the agenda
12:48:56 <JKRhb> ... for now we only need a few bullet items for Microsoft and SDW
12:49:24 <JKRhb> ... by the way, IEEE P2874 is also related to the Smart City topic
12:49:24 <kaz> s/at the moment/at the moment, so maybe some discussion to be done by the WoT CG side/
12:49:30 <JKRhb> topic: TF Reports
12:49:35 <JKRhb> mm: Any updates here?
12:49:36 <kaz> s/Discussion is fine/Discussion by the WoT CG side is fine/
12:49:40 <dape> q+
12:49:44 <kaz> q-
12:49:49 <JKRhb> subtopic: TD and Binding Templates
12:50:09 <kaz> s/should continue the discussion/but should continue the discussion/
12:50:13 <JKRhb> dp: Don't know whether you talked about the timeslot for Scripting
12:50:16 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
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12:50:39 <JKRhb> mm: Talked about it, noticed that it is quite early for North America
12:50:47 <kaz> i|We had a meeting with|subtopic: SDW|
12:50:48 <JKRhb> ... also you planned it in CET
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12:51:00 <JKRhb> ... should take this into account for the future
12:51:00 <mjk> q+
12:51:16 <JKRhb> ... your doodle also only included people already participating in the call
12:51:35 <JKRhb> ... in general, you should try to fit the call in the narrow timeframe that works across most timezones
12:51:45 <JKRhb> dp: Will discuss this in the next meeting
12:51:54 <kaz> s/being rescheduled/being rechartered/
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12:52:03 <dape> ack dape
12:52:03 <JKRhb> ... the old timeslot was not working anymore
12:52:09 <JKRhb> ... but we will consider your concerns
12:52:30 <McCool> ack m
12:52:46 <kaz> s|should continue the dicussion|but we (WoT WG/IG) should also continue the discussion|
12:52:46 <JKRhb> ek: Regarding the TD updates: The main thing currently is this initial connection topic
12:52:54 <kaz> q?
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12:53:06 <JKRhb> ... grouping reusable aspects at the top-level
12:53:13 <JKRhb> ... that is the main technical issue at the moment
12:53:21 <JKRhb> ... the main non-technical one is about use cases
12:53:33 <kaz> s/TD and Binding Templates/Scripting API/
12:53:38 <JKRhb> ... spent one slot last week, will continue this week
12:53:48 <kaz> i/Regarding the TD/TD and Binding Templates/
12:53:49 <JKRhb> ... at the moment, we are doing too much administrative stuff
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12:54:01 <mjk> ack mjk
12:54:04 <JKRhb> mm: Yeah, I'll try to resolve the issue until the end of this year
12:54:18 <kaz> s/TD and Binding Templates/subtopic: TD and Binding Templates/
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12:54:26 <JKRhb> ek: You can find a summary in the TD agenda
12:54:34 <JKRhb> ... of the technical topics we are discussion
12:54:40 <JKRhb> subtopic: Marketing
12:54:46 <JKRhb> ek: Not that much
12:54:53 <McCool> q?
12:54:59 <JKRhb> ... did some Mastodon posts about WoT week
12:55:04 <JKRhb> ... got some traction
12:55:16 <JKRhb> ... and discussion, but other than that not that much at the moment
12:55:21 <JKRhb> topic: AOB
12:55:35 <JKRhb> No other business
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12:55:47 <JKRhb> mm: This is the end of the main call, the discussion will continue in the Plugfest call
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12:56:18 <JKRhb> sk: We opened the Plugfest call for guests, so let's not keep them waiting too much
12:56:22 <JKRhb> [adjourned]
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