<shawn> scribe: Laura

How People With Disabilities Use the Web (HPWDUW) Update

<Brent> Project Page: https://github.com/w3c/wai-people-use-web/wiki/2023-Wrap-Up-Project-Page

Brent: background - Kevin and team working on redesign and revising text before the video project
... worked on approach and formatting
... do you finish the stories then get videos to match or finish the videos then revise the stories
... stopped the stories to finish videos first.
... 8 user stories 4 techniques 5 diverse abilities

17 approved by EO

<Brent> Shadi is working on updating the content of the resource pages to bring them into alignment with the videos. Thorough review surveys will be brought to the group as the pages are updated, starting with the User Stories pages.

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Videos may have bits that are not in the story and the story may have discussion that is not in the video. They don't have to be exact.

scribe: good timeline to get this done over the next months.
... once everything is through thorough review ... the resource will also get edits and review.
... then release.
... we're not looking at navigation now.
... we're not reviewing the reviewing the video but looking at it for comparison.

Video placement/UI

<Brent> Draft Example of video placement: https://deploy-preview-113--wai-people-use-web.netlify.app/people-use-web/user-stories-with-video/

Kevin: How to integrate the video so they don't overwhelm the page but serve as an introduction
... hyjacked the summary box
... increased the size of summary, removed the heading
... goal is to put the video in the page, problem... size of the player
... when you click play captions and size are too small, so we're linking to a modl
... able player
... alternatives, image will be inline with text
... potentially loose when the content is
... this is the direction we're exploring so looking for feedback

<Brent> Perspective video example: https://www.w3.org/WAI/perspective-videos/keyboard/

Brent: here's the video ... if you don't scroll down you may miss important content
... looking for feedback on approach

<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to note one way we did it in the past https://www.w3.org/WAI/planning/involving-users/

Shawn: another example of video within the page content
... worked with Kevin on different options
... the link is above

<shawn> Shawn: happy to come up with better design

Daniel: I'm confused, the video is not loading. I was worried what happens when the video doesn't load. Needs to be clear wht's happening.

Kevin: the goal is that it'll be a link to the video

Shadi: What happens when you select the player?

<shawn> s... the link is above|https://www.w3.org/WAI/planning/involving-users/

Kevin: it'll open in a modal window with transcipt. The transcript could be challenging but doable.

Shadi: I don't remember why modal window is challenging.

Kevin: assumes that Able player can handle being in a modal window

Shadi: fine by me but not a UI designer ... I don't know who uses transcripts ... Do you need to start the player to get to the transcript.
... sharron likes to read transcript not watch... need to link separately to transcipt

<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say -1 for transcript not on main page

Shawn: I would recommend having the transcript link on the main page.

Kevin: yes - we need to think how it's handled in other places. It's part of the Able player

Shawn: we need to get to the transcript independently

<shawn> Larua: Agree with Shawn that separate transcript. We provide link that people can download.Agree with Kevin that we want to be consistent.

Kevin: I agree. How to access the transcript is important. As a pattern, check other videos on how to provide transcripts.

Brian: support the idea... small thumb and the video opens in a modal window.
... there's an example on the involving users page.
... if we can link to the transcript on the main page.

<shawn> example of expandable transcript under video: https://www.w3.org/WAI/planning/involving-users/

Brian: not a bad solution to take the user to the transcript without opening the modal.

<shawn> example of transcipt at the bottom of the page: https://www.w3.org/WAI/perspective-videos/customizable/#transcript

Michelle: Able player as a modal - does the player resize well?
... I have to scroll
... how will it work on mobile?

<shawn> Laura: can be contrlled by CSS

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Kevin: taking a modal approach ... you can take over the entire screen

<Zakim> shadi, you wanted to speak to difference in perspectives vs other

Kevin: It'll be something we pay attention to.

Shadi: not a don't do... but make sure we pay attention to all of the UI issues
... the other ... the perspective videos were the main content.
... not table of contents
... other pages the thought was that the content was the focus and the videos were supporting.
... third approach where the videos and content are tied together.

<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to note that can do full screen as is

Shadi: more modern approach to update other videos behaviors

Shawn: the current implementation has full screen option.

Brent: do people like thumb to open modal in the summary?

Shawn: people are open to a better design pattern and need exploration to see what works.

Kevin: we can always come back to embedding the video on the page
... is it worth experimenting and getting feedback for opening the videos in a modal window.
... where's the transcript is a valid issue that will be explored.
... and reviewed.

Brent: will take feedback and continue to explore. There be a survey released on a Friday with two full weekends to respond.
... or earlier if possible.
... any other questions?

Topics: Easy Checks next generation

Kevin: where we are - small team
... design mockups and usability testing
... Andrew subject matter expert - writing main content
... Kevin overseeing - initial mockup
... using design patterns from WAI website

<shawn> links to Easy Checks work is list under "Current Work" in https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/EOWG_Current_Projects#2018_Current_Work

Kevin: what could we check? What is susceptible to easing checking
... working up checks that are viable to prioritize
... next steps
... bring the wireframe to show possible structure
... other thing - impromptu usability testing at AccessU
... that's where we are now

Brent: questions?
... leads into next topic

hybrid face to face meetings

Brent: AccessU and TPAC links to survey
... when will people be available remotely
... more input from the wider group
... AccessU on May 9
... TPAC September times during the week
... answer survey as quickly as possible
... AccessU in Austin May 9-12
... decided there'll be activities be planned

Shawn: high level plans haven't changed.

<shawn> https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/EOWG_F2F_May_2023

Shawn: Tuesday is full day work session
... specifc delivarables
... Wednesday -plenary session after lunch
... had a room with computers for usability testing.
... hopefully waiting for confirmation from Sharron.
... take a look at draft description for plenary session. Any input?

<shawn> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_4C02LfgpNAe_E_aqCyVPrEpOPG7W6mi7ZtG4Kc2GWo/edit

<scribe> done.

<BrianE> done

Brian: fine with it.

Brent: I like the idea. Curious about the interactivity. I've seen you do some where you get the audience interacting ... it that the type you're thinking?
... or are they at a computer?

Shawn: love to get input to get more interactive.
... some will have laptops some won't.
... fun or seeded questions from the audience.
... I have some initial brainstorms and get some input from others.
... introduction to our room
... usability testing on easy checks and getting input for users. We're hanging out in this room come talk to us.
... invitation for further 1 on 1 for attendees.

Brent: could ask audience members to give an example, what their role is and what they want to accomplish or what they struggle with.
... people see the site ... for their specific issue they don't know where to start.
... how there are different resources for their specific role.

Michelle: Is anything missing?
... is there a gap in our current resources to address their issues.

Shawn: Audience size potentially couple hundred attendees

Brian: gamification - what can you find on the WAI site?
... mostly virtual training ... interactivity is harder.

Shawn: Let's keep brainstorming

Brent: scavenger hunt. 5 questions - find answers/resource gave out prizes to first 5 people - got people to hunt through the site.
... response was surprise on the scope of the resources

Shawn: anything else to discuss or input? It will be hybid

Brent: please answer the survey on the times for working meeting on Tuesday.
... any other comments on face to face meetings?

Open Sharing

<shawn> Laura: LoC.gov major redesign

<shawn> ... motivated by accessibility. existing!

Work for this Week

<shawn> https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/EOWG_Meetings#Work_for_this_week

Shawn: open surveys

anything else will be added.

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