Meeting minutes
Guests
Sebastian: Matthias Kovatsch will talk about IIWOT23
Kaz: note that Matthias is an official WoT WG participant from Siemens :)
<mlagally_> good to see Matthias back :-)
Minutes
McCool: reviewed, found small things
<kaz> Sep-28
Sebastian: Sep 28 minutes
Sebastian: conclusion was to stay with WebEx...
Sebastian: did we resolve if we are having Arch tomorrow?
Lagally: yes, 1h
Sebastian: any objections to publishing Sep 28 minutes?
… hearing no objections, will be published
Sebastian: some editorial issues with TPAC minutes, still need to be fixed, let's defer to next week
McCool: will send an email to kaz with some fixes to TPAC minutes
IIWOT'23 Workshop
<kaz> IIWoT23 Web page
Matthias: let me show a summary of the workshop
… I am involved as a consultant, not the main organizer
… is second iteration of workshop
… will be co-located with CES
… directly after
… will be part of an IEEE conference
… not limited to work happening in standardization, but also new ideas in the area
… academia, collaboration
… schedule is soon, but expect deadline extension, prob two weeks
McCool: two issues; WG representation; remote attendance
McCool: fees also seem high; is there a workshop-only registrations?
Matthias: usually only for publication and on-site attendance; will look into it
Kaz: WoT is W3C's product, so should have representation as an invited talk
Lagally: support and suggest remote presentation; each TF lead could present their specs
… many people have problem with travel right now
McCool: probably need between 30m and 1h; 30m we just do the summary presentation
Cristiano: there is also the WoT CG, maybe a joint session
Matthias: there is also a demo session, may be appropriate
Ege: agree it would be *better* if we can go there
Matthias: demos would also be great
<cris_> +1
Ege: also some linked news, Thread group, you can see how they do things
McCool: if we want to assemble bullet points, include WoT CG, etc. we will need to create a proposal and agree on it as a group
… although I can easily just forward a link to our current summary pres
Kaz: suggest we just go for the simple option of the WoT WG update this time
McCool: suggest that I send off something with a request for an hour, then we can fill in some details in some sections
Lagally: how many people?
Matthias: expect about 20 people, plus some people from the main conference
Cristiano: for the record we should do CG and WG together, not separately
<kaz> (please remember the WoT-JP CG, who has been working hard and giving updates to the WoT-WG/IG, as well in that case :)
McCool: thinking of just asking for at most 1h, and squeeze in various subtopics
… including possibly even some demos
… also agree on WoT-JP Cg
Cancellations
Sebastian: arch NOT cancelled, but otherwise testfest
Binding Templates
Sebastian: TD call has been mostly on TD, and this has delayed Binding Templates
… TD is now mostly ready, but Binding Templates is behind
… would keep TD call, but considering adding additional slot (in Editor's slot); agree with Ege would be useful
Kaz: mentioned on email list, not clear why we need a separate slot
… if TD is mostly done, we can explicitly assign 1h or 1.5h of TD call for Binding
… also, is a Note, we need to focus on normative specs
… don't think we need a separate call
<Mizushima> +1 kaz
Lagally: where we are with normative specs, putting one additional hour into Note does not seem appropriate
Ege: understand kaz's point of view, if can't do it, editors did agree
McCool: wonder how much work there actually is
<Zakim> Ege, you wanted to react to McCool
Ege: main reason wanted to allocate more time is TD spec is using in examples, is a dependency
… regarding maturity, text needs work, but implementations are in good shape
… but needs introductory text; technical work is mature
Kaz: needs to ask implementers about whether Note for binding templates is enough
… in which case we can wrap up the group notes
… and then if it is really possible to wrap up in a month
… but please do think about schedule and implementability before holding these additional calls
… we are not thinking about overall goals, just about clearing PRs
… we need to think about wrapping up deliverables, with normative specs as a priority
… W3C process requires us to provide Implementation Reports etc. for normative specs
Lagally: surprised to hear about the dependency of TD on binding note
… would have thought it was more of a guideline document
… also, looked at it recently, saw a lot of to dos, etc.
… it is not enough if editors agree on something
… we are lacking bandwidth on other things, including testing
Ege: dependency is in examples, not that strong
… where we show the TD does not have to be dependent on a particular protocol
… so really about citability, not about normative dependency
Lagally: to clarify, I think we need to focus on normative deliverables
Sebastian: suggest we stick with the current setup in the Wed mtg, but can start with binding topics
McCool: (time check, now in overtime)
Sebastian: when TD is in CR status, can spend more time on binding
Sebastian: agree REC documents are important, but we also need to clean up our notes that are being referred to; need to be in good shape
Cristiano: second importance of protocol bindings, got a lot of feedback from developers
… in next charter will also hope to move them to REC track
… however, agree with what Sebastian said
AOB
Sebastian: need to close, summarize other topics
… be aware the testfest is going, and we need inputs for TD, Architecture (which has many gaps, please help), and Profile
… other topics, met with OPC UA about formal collaboration, still in process
… but it looks quite good and much interest to proceed
Kaz: regarding OPC UA liaison: two viewpoints, procedural and technical. Talking to different people about these aspects.
Ege: next week Thursday WoT CG is planning a Digital Twins event
… will put in W3C Calendar later today and send invites
Kaz: would like to clarify if WoT CG's scope is more than outreach. If the initial target is outreach and the other topics like WoT Marketing pages and Plugfests can be deferred, that's fine. However, please clarify that plan, and explicitly declare that.
Lagally: any news about DTDL?
Sebastian: Erich was also in OPC UA meeting, two weeks ago
… but has vacation this week, COVID situation in their office
McCool: can deal with that after CR, def as part of next charter discussion
<kaz> [adjourned]