Meeting minutes
<addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
Agenda Review
atsushi: Ishii-san is preparaing a document summarizing OpenType features.
… To bring it to jlreq docs, and maybe to i18n WG
atsushi: speech input at OS level. Device tag exposed to JavaScript?
Action Items
<addison> https://
addison: We can talk about that under localizable strings.
<addison> action-1093?
<trackbot> action-1093: Addison Phillips to Ping localizable thread and seek to resolve next steps with whatwg -- due 2021-11-11 -- OPEN
addison: Looked at issue related to 1093 yesterday. Will talk about it later.
<addison> action-1094?
<trackbot> action-1094: Addison Phillips to Start conversation with ecma-402 et al about webidl work -- due 2021-11-11 -- OPEN
<addison> action-1096?
<trackbot> action-1096: Fuqiao Xue to Ping jck about link to bcp47 -- due 2021-11-25 -- OPEN
addison: Had a couple of emails about 1094, we'll talk about it later.
<JcK> Actually IANA, but...
<addison> close action-1096
<trackbot> Closed action-1096.
xfq: Exchanged with John about 1096.
Will be an agenda item
action-1099?
<trackbot> action-1099: Fuqiao Xue to File errata on json-ld @direction null example -- due 2021-11-25 -- OPEN
xfq: Not yet, but not yet sure I understand the problem. Can we make it an agenda item?
Info Share
<r12a> https://
r12a: CSS internationalization tests
… for text-transform and line alignement (first line indent)
… and for letter-spacing and word-spacing
xfq: There is a 'text-spacing' property, too, in css-text-4.
r12a: That is another one to add, then.
JcK: IETF figured out that @@ into ASCII
… Not as bad as rendering Swedish å as ae, etc.
addison: Use UTF-8 instead? :-)
<Zakim> Bert, you wanted to infoshare
<addison> bert: has become liaison to geospatial group in iso
RADAR Review
Bert: I've become liaison to ISO TC 211 WG4 and the EU's INSPIRE.
<addison> https://
addison: There wer some transition requests. I may need to nag some groups.
xfq: NAUR is related to our work. Not requested a review yet.
… From the APA WG.
ACTION: addison: send email to NAUR asking after early review
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1101 - Send email to naur asking after early review [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-12-09].
discuss action 1099
xfq: We discussed 2 weeks ago about this.
… When I looked at it again, I wasn't sure to understand.
addison: The @direction is null for some reason.
xfq: Seems it should be rtl, like the global direction.
addison: The same as the @context's direction.
xfq: So are we requesting something about the @direction in "author"? Should it be "rtl"?
r12a: There are several similar ones. Maybe not as problematic as I thought.
addison: The "null" points to...
xfq: Means a lack of value.
<addison> close action-1099
<trackbot> Closed action-1099.
addison: Maybe it is not an issue then.
BCP47 reference
JcK: I brought it to the attention of IANA and IETF applications area director.
… IANA ability to do things is limited.
… If the issue is to write a spec, they can do it. If it is to put a stamp of approval on somethinhg, they cannot do that.
… So I'm back to not understanding the problem.
addison: xfq referrred to the fact that the tools link was broken.
JcK: W3C's guidance on how to refer to the tools needs to be rewritten.
addison: So the link has to go to rfc-editor.
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xfq: So we can refer to BCP47 with that link. Another issue is that we have links to a specific section of BCP47.
… No way to refer to sections.
addison: So we can refer to the RFC instead of the BCP.
JcK: Refer to "BCP47 ... currently RFC... " etc.
addison: Do we fix the xref database, so it gets into bikeshed etc.?
ACTION: xfq: update bcp47 specific section references in articles
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1102 - Update bcp47 specific section references in articles [on Fuqiao Xue - due 2021-12-09].
xfq: Those links have already been changed to rfc-editor. We just need to do it in our articles.
Localizable strings
addison: I saw mail, I should have more to report next week.
r12a: Is this because of Dom's email?
addison: We have comments on a bunch of specs. WebIDL said they are modeled on JavaScript and we should ge there.
… I started that conversation, but don't expect rapid progress.
… My udnerstanding is a new localizable string type could take a few years.
… That still leaves the question what we do with current specs.
… Should they still model localizable strings as strings?
r12a: Dom wants to hear from us soon, for an upcoming transition.
addison: Where is his email?
xfq: It was to Philippe, r12a and me only.
addison: If you add me to it, I'll try to reply.
… What do we want to reply?
… That we currently don't mind? But I'm not hopeful that we'll get a JavaScript type soon.
… Or propose that they build a datastructure?
addison: Ask the TAG? It seems a web platform issue.
r12a: Maybe a good idea...
ACTION: addison: file issue with TAG to discuss fate of lang/dir metadata and prepare explainer
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1103 - File issue with tag to discuss fate of lang/dir metadata and prepare explainer [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-12-09].
IFT Review
r12a: We should also contact Dom quickly.
addison: Can you put me on that thread?
ACTION: addison: respond to Dom's thread after xfq forwards note
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1104 - Respond to dom's thread after xfq forwards note [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-12-09].
xfq: will do.
atsushi: There were several updates to the doc, but I didn't have time to check them yet.
… subsetting fonts with ligatures and punctuation. I asked them some quesstions.
addison: Is it a question of the wrong terminology?
atsushi: There are several pull requests about changing terminology, but I haven't looked at them yet.
addison: You need somebody else to look at them?
atsushi: I'd like some time to draft my comments.
addison: Could you create an issue in time for next week's call.
atsushi: There is one issue already.
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atsushi: and a related patch ^^
addison: The comment from Garret on the issue above seems reasonable.
… I'd be surprised if the font people didn't understand the issues.
ACTION: atsushi: draft text about IFT glyph/codepoint issue
atsushi: There are implementations, which could be used to provide more details.
ACTION: atsushi: draft text about IFT glyph/codepoint issue
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1105 - Draft text about ift glyph/codepoint issue [on Atsushi Shimono - due 2021-12-09].
AOB?
addison: I glanced at the calendar:
… are people away on Thursdays near the end of the year?
r12a: I'll be out on the 23rd and the 30th. Maybe also on Jan the 6th.
JcK: Probably best to skip 23 and 30.
<Bert> I'll be out on the 30th, probably on the 23rd