<Fazio> FYI, I reached out to mt University of California contacts at the MIND Institute and at the Tarjan Center. Theyre circulating our request for mental health professionals and research
www.w3.org/ WAI/ GL/ task-forces/ coga/ wiki/ PlanningPage#Actions
Lisa: Mental health subgroup, assign one paper per person to be completed approximately end of July
… Inclusive working group - consensus seems to be achieved. Will discuss today if possible.
EA: Silver/clear words meeting has not been arranged yet.
Lisa: Will assign Rain an action of scheduling a meeting.
EA: That's already happening.
Jennie: Technical description - put historical information from findable help (2016 to present) into Google doc and updated wiki
www.w3.org/ WAI/ GL/ task-forces/ coga/ wiki/ Actions_Requests
Lisa: Review EO video scripts - Did anyone manage to review?
… I scanned quickly and didn't seem to involve us very much.
<Rachael> I agree that the current script topics for the videos do not seem COGA related
Lisa: I added pronunciation to our tasks but I don't think we've submitted feedback.
Rachael: accessible authentication - Alastair sent updated link
… comment period closed for WCAG 2.2. We are looking to return comments on accessible authentication within the next few weeks.
Lisa: We don't have a clear deadline?
Rachael: About two weeks. We are moving toward final stages of publication and it will take several weeks after COGA's review to wrap up.
Lisa: We have 6 comments in Github that are tagged for COGA. Some are related to accessible authentication.
Jennie: I believe John R was working on accessible authentication.
Rachael: Will see who was working on visible controls.
<Rachael> David McDonald was helping us iwth Visible Controls
Lisa: Does anyone want to sign up to review either one of issues or more?
Rachael: I will take visible control issues.
EA: Was Steve looking at accessible authentication along with Abi?
… If you have dyslexia, why can't you open and see what you've entered? That was one of our concerns.
Lisa: Another issue also discussed showing password to end users.
<EA> John Rochford seems to be on the list
Lisa: would it be easier to send to COGA via email?
Lisa: If you scroll down in Phil's issue, we can add comments which will be sent to AG.
… Does anyone else have time to comment on issue list?
Rachael: Visible controls - can come up with suggestions and discuss during next COGA meeting prior to entering comment.
<Jennie> +1 to Rachael's suggestion - it will simplify things a lot
Rachael: Will add the 6 issues for discussion during an upcoming meeting.
<last was Lisa>
EA: I submitted one comment on authentication just now.
Lisa: Any questions before we move on?
<LisaSeemanKest_> next item
Lisa: Josh is here from APA XR subgroup regarding user requirements
Lisa: This is a list of user requirements and user needs. It has user needs followed by requirements (in terms of document structure).
Josh: We have been working on this document for 3 years and have many user needs and requirements covered, some related to COGA. We need science-related examples that demonstrate specific user needs in immersive/augmented reality.
<Jennie> *I can scribe Justine
Joh: This contains a lot of really good information about affordences and different modailities
Josh: We may have enough even in that to back up our research
… A lot of the heuristics, coming up with a best practice for this space, is out there
Lisa: The document you are talking about is Making Content Usable?
Lisa: It is a note now
Josh: That's right, which means it is referenced in the document.
… I can discuss the feedback with APA
… The note - Content Usable, can then be used as the research
Lisa: It all maps to user needs
Lisa: It maps the patterns
Josh: It is a really good document
Lisa: We are trying to address your requests
<Jennie> *All yours Justine
Lisa: Do you need more from us regarding pace/speed of environment?
Josh: Even non-normative content is seen as definitive which is natural but we need to be able to back up our assertions.
… Rain gave some good examples and indicated some text from Content Usable that can back up some of our claims.
… I can pop in next week to follow up.
David: We do have some research on mono vs. stereo sound. I need to dig up reference. Mono vs. stereo can disorient people with certain cognitive disabilities. We also have wayfinding guidance.
<Joshue108> thanks David, can you add the mono reference stuff to this issue?
Lisa: You can always email to the thread or comment in Github once you find the information.
… or email directly to Josh.
Josh: I have enough information to move forward now.
<LisaSeemanKest_> next item
<LisaSeemanKest_> close item 4
<LisaSeemanKest_> close item 5
Josh: Any other questions?
<LisaSeemanKest_> next item
Lisa: We are working on a guidance document on how to work with COGA. It would be interesting to receive your feedback, Josh.
… getting on a call with us might be the best way to reach out.
… Let's skip inclusive group document for now.
<LisaSeemanKest_> tpoc: https://
Lisa: Do we want to agree with this issue? Let's take a moment to review.
<Lisa reads feedback from Github issue>
… I'm inclined to agree but say that it might not always be enough. Thoughts?
… clarifying that you can use a password manager, etc.
<LisaSeemanKest_> this really does help (but is not always enogh)
<EA> But what is enough? +1
Jennie: I use a password tool that sometimes overlaps with icon that exposes the password text. Should we make sure that they don't overlap?
<LisaSeemanKest_> coga feels: this really does help but is not always enough to use it . care should be taken that the eaybal icon is not hidden when using a password manager.
Lisa: Thoughts on the above comment?
Lisa: Should we validate this through the list?
<Jennie> I agree, should validate through the lsit
Agree that validating with the list is a good idea.
Lisa: Will move forward as suggested then.
Lisa: I think I agree with the confusion.
Jennie: Question for EA. We have the list of 100 most common words. If we look at symbol sets that are used for augmentative/alternative communication devices do we have a list of common objects that cross international boundaries?
EA: We discussed this in COGA a long time ago. Words that are most commonly used number between 100-500 but depends on the language. Some of us found that most common words don't always cross languages but we can probably focus on the commonly used words list.
Lisa: I'm not sure if common objects is a good idea.
EA: It isn't a great idea because it doesn't cross cultures.
Lisa: For example, is an image a boy or man? It might be obvious to author but not to others. A car vs. bicycle is another example.
<Rachael> The normative text (from the definition) is whether something "requires the user to remember, manipulate, or transcribe information", and this is requiring the manipulation of information.
Rachael: Alastair provided the preceding comment in Github to the issue.
… He suggested that we remove as a test (common objects).
Lisa: We will suggest removing. <prepares response>
<LisaSeemanKest_> coga suggest -common objects be rmoved , as it is oftwn hard to know what catigory it is in, and common, is not always common in diffrent culture
EA: When including categories, it can be perceived as parts of speech. We should clarify.
<LisaSeemanKest_> coga suggest -common objects be removed , as it is often hard to know what it is in, and common, is not always common in diffrent culture
EA: I agree.
<LisaSeemanKest_> this included r=the trafic lights in captue
Lisa: Remembering email/username are not cognitive tests...I don't think that's true.
<Jennie> *dropping off but will join the Silver/Coga call after this in 2 minutes. Have a good week!
<Fazio> might be
EA: Are they tests of cognition rather than cognitive tests? These may be slightly different issues.
Rachael: This is trying to say that they are allowed as tests for authentication. Wording in understanding doc might need to be clarified that they are acceptable cognitive tests.
Lisa: Saying that they are acceptable because they can be copied/pasted from a notepad easily.
<LisaSeemanKest_> Remembering your email, address, and name are tests of cognitive ability. In fact they are just the tipe of test in a MCI mini mental test. They may be alowed for authetification as they can be copy paisted from a not pad quite easily, or filled in automaticaly by a autocomplete