Meeting minutes
Setting up meeting, choosing scribe
<Daniel_> https://
Move module "Understanding and Involving Users" to "Foundation Modules"
<Daniel_> EOWG has proposed to move current designer module "Understanding and Involving Users" to "Foundation Modules". Rationale:
<Daniel_> - Its content touches on several roles: user researcher, designer, developer, content author, and project manager.
<Daniel_> - Some organizations may skip these contents entirely if they are placed in the designer modules, as designer and user researcher may be completely separate roles for them.
<Daniel_> See EOWG minutes at https://
<Donal-F> +present+
<Daniel_> GerhardÑ Ver y good place. User involvement is not only managed form the designer, it is also handled by developers rand other roles
Gherhard: GerhardÑ Ver y good place. User involvement is not only managed form the designer, it is also handled by developers rand other roles Daniel_ Donal-F Estella_ GN Howard RRSAgent shadi Zakim
Moving User Involvement module to Foundations
Daniel: feedback from EO was that User involvement/design should be moved to foundation modules
Daniel: has put together a proposal for implementing this change.
Donal: agrees with the premise
Daniel: proposal - accept suggestion from EO but not going to get into the details at this point.
… How can we make sure understanding and involving users does not get lost?
… Any ideas on avoiding that?
Estella: Understanding and involving users can be looked out in 2 ways.
… One, as looking at all the discussion that went on previously.
… Second, as an applied approach where you involve users.
Daniel: will go back to EO saying we will make this change but will continue with developing the designer ...
… modules.
Learning outcomes for topic "Alternatives to Multimedia Content"
<Estella_> +1 to move it fundational modules
Estella: likes the new approach but missing the subtitles mention - need this to be understandable outside U.S.
Daniel: will make note in section that "captions (also known as subtitles)".
Estella: should be mention of content in different languages.
Daniel: How do we relate that to accessibility?
Estella: example of a video in Chinese. Need for subtitles in other languages, including audio description.
<Daniel_> HowardÑ Wonders if it fits into accessibility, not clear where this is in WCAG. Definitely good to have, but probably out of scope
Howard: Not sure that translation falls in the scope of accessibility.
Gerhard: agrees that not in scope. Nothing in WCAG covers this.
Estella: WCAG does address the "lang" tag. In Europe, multilingualism is part of accessibility.
Gerhard: Perhaps should be responsibility on content authors.
Daniel: What is our responsibility to encourage multi-language access is provided. Not sure this can be done.
… Will work on it.
Daniel: should we address accessibility of players in multimedia module?
Estella: what about mention of color contrast?
Howard: What about mention of keyboard access to media players?
Daniel: covered in other modules but should make some mention of this.
Estella: Should audio descriptions, transcripts, etc., how far content authors are responsible vs. designers.
Donal: content of audio description is responsibility of the content author. But how they ...
… are displayed and where the audio description would appear is decided by the designer.
Donal: example - on YouTube, audio descriptions are auto-announced. Could also span to role of developer.
Daniel: these distinctions not coming through clear at this point. Will work on this.
Improving teaching ideas for topic "Textual Information"
Daniel: this section is about the way we can split text into smaller pieces.
… Also different ways of complementing textual info with graphics, etc.
… Usually author orientated. Responsibility of designer for this not specified. How do we make this more specific for the designer?
… For example, we can say that the designer needs to specify how user will navigate page - ex. headings, use of sidebars, etc.
Daniel: Are these strategies - splitting of text, etc. - a designers responsibility.
Gerhard: think it's shared with authors.
Daniel: hearing that we need to emphasize the visuals.
Donal: think it's the relationship between the visuals and the structure.
Carlos: Agree with Donal and Gerhard.
Daniel: more emphasis should be put on visuals and structures such as headings, regions and more cross-reference to way
… splitting of text is addressed in previous 'navigation' module, for example, uses of tables of content, etc.
Estella: agree with what has been said. 4 different topics to teach in this module, more than 2 that is found in most...
… other modules. Should we balance this out?
Daniel: will look at this.
Next Steps
Daniel: recap - movement of user research and input into foundation module.
… will cross-reference from Designer modules to this content in the foundation modules.