14:46:52 RRSAgent has joined #wai-curricula 14:46:52 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/06/15-wai-curricula-irc 14:47:21 Meeting: WAI Curricula Task Force Teleconference 14:47:29 Date: 15 June 2021 14:47:33 Chair: Daniel 14:48:06 rrsagent, make logs Public 15:03:41 GN has joined #wai-curricula 15:05:12 GN has joined #wai-curricula 15:06:38 zakim, take up agendum 1 15:06:38 agendum 1 -- Setting up meeting, choosing scribe -- taken up [from Daniel_] 15:08:17 Estella_ has joined #wai-curricula 15:08:39 present+ 15:08:48 https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/WAI_Curricula/WAI_Curricula_Task_Force_Meetings#Scribe_Rotation_List 15:09:37 zakim, take up item 2 15:09:38 agendum 2 -- Move module "Understanding and Involving Users" to "Foundation Modules" -- taken up [from Daniel_] 15:09:48 https://deploy-preview-349--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/foundation-modules/understanding-and-involving-users/ 15:10:06 EOWG has proposed to move current designer module "Understanding and Involving Users" to "Foundation Modules". Rationale: 15:10:06 15:10:06 - Its content touches on several roles: user researcher, designer, developer, content author, and project manager. 15:10:06 - Some organizations may skip these contents entirely if they are placed in the designer modules, as designer and user researcher may be completely separate roles for them. 15:10:07 15:10:07 See EOWG minutes at https://www.w3.org/2021/06/11-eo-minutes.html#t01 15:10:48 Howard has joined #wai-curricula 15:10:54 present+ Howard 15:12:52 Donal-F has joined #wai-curricula 15:13:01 +present+ 15:13:29 scribe: Howard 15:13:50 GerhardÑ Ver y good place. User involvement is not only managed form the designer, it is also handled by developers rand other roles 15:14:25 Gherhard: GerhardÑ Ver y good place. User involvement is not only managed form the designer, it is also handled by developers rand other roles Daniel_ Donal-F Estella_ GN Howard RRSAgent shadi Zakim 15:15:35 Topic: Moving User Involvement module to Foundations 15:16:08 Daniel: feedback from EO was that User involvement/design should be moved to foundation modules 15:16:27 Daniel: has put together a proposal for implementing this change. 15:16:45 Donal: agrees with the premise 15:17:31 Daniel: proposal - accept suggestion from EO but not going to get into the details at this point. 15:18:03 ... How can we make sure understanding and involving users does not get lost? 15:18:58 ... Any ideas on avoiding that? 15:19:51 Estella: Understanding and involving users can be looked out in 2 ways. 15:20:11 ... One, as looking at all the discussion that went on previously. 15:20:28 ... Second, as an applied approach where you involve users. 15:21:19 Daniel: will go back to EO saying we will make this change but will continue with developing the designer ... 15:21:25 ... modules. 15:21:26 zakim, take up item 3 15:21:26 agendum 3 -- Learning outcomes for topic "Alternatives to Multimedia Content" -- taken up [from Daniel_] 15:21:36 +1 to move it fundational modules 15:21:47 https://deploy-preview-347--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/designer-modules/multimedia-and-animations/#topic-alternatives-to-multimedia-content 15:25:16 Estella: likes the new approach but missing the subtitles mention - need this to be understandable outside U.S. 15:25:49 Daniel: will make note in section that "captions (also known as subtitles)". 15:26:09 Estella: should be mention of content in different languages. 15:26:22 Daniel: How do we relate that to accessibility? 15:27:32 Estella: example of a video in Chinese. Need for subtitles in other languages, including audio description. 15:28:37 HowardÑ Wonders if it fits into accessibility, not clear where this is in WCAG. Definitely good to have, but probably out of scope 15:28:55 Howard: Not sure that translation falls in the scope of accessibility. 15:29:33 Gerhard: agrees that not in scope. Nothing in WCAG covers this. 15:30:18 Estella: WCAG does address the "lang" tag. In Europe, multilingualism is part of accessibility. 15:30:55 Gerhard: Perhaps should be responsibility on content authors. 15:31:04 present+ 15:32:25 rrsagent, pointer? 15:32:25 See https://www.w3.org/2021/06/15-wai-curricula-irc#T15-32-25 15:32:40 Daniel: What is our responsibility to encourage multi-language access is provided. Not sure this can be done. 15:32:46 ... Will work on it. 15:34:49 Daniel: should we address accessibility of players in multimedia module? 15:35:00 Estella: what about mention of color contrast? 15:35:25 CarlosD has joined #wai-curricula 15:36:05 present+ 15:36:49 Howard: What about mention of keyboard access to media players? 15:37:12 Daniel: covered in other modules but should make some mention of this. 15:38:52 Estella: Should audio descriptions, transcripts, etc., how far content authors are responsible vs. designers. 15:39:21 Donal: content of audio description is responsibility of the content author. But how they ... 15:40:12 ... are displayed and where the audio description would appear is decided by the designer. 15:41:13 Donal: example - on YouTube, audio descriptions are auto-announced. Could also span to role of developer. 15:42:04 Daniel: these distinctions not coming through clear at this point. Will work on this. 15:45:10 zakim, take up item 4 15:45:10 agendum 4 -- Improving teaching ideas for topic "Textual Information" -- taken up [from Daniel_] 15:45:17 https://deploy-preview-347--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/designer-modules/information-design/#topic-textual-information 15:46:10 Daniel: this section is about the way we can split text into smaller pieces. 15:46:42 ... Also different ways of complementing textual info with graphics, etc. 15:47:47 ... Usually author orientated. Responsibility of designer for this not specified. How do we make this more specific for the designer? 15:48:58 ... For example, we can say that the designer needs to specify how user will navigate page - ex. headings, use of sidebars, etc. 15:50:24 Daniel: Are these strategies - splitting of text, etc. - a designers responsibility. 15:50:53 Gerhard: think it's shared with authors. 15:51:10 Daniel: hearing that we need to emphasize the visuals. 15:51:28 Donal: think it's the relationship between the visuals and the structure. 15:52:06 Carlos: Agree with Donal and Gerhard. 15:55:09 Daniel: more emphasis should be put on visuals and structures such as headings, regions and more cross-reference to way 15:55:49 ... splitting of text is addressed in previous 'navigation' module, for example, uses of tables of content, etc. 15:56:46 Estella: agree with what has been said. 4 different topics to teach in this module, more than 2 that is found in most... 15:57:03 ... other modules. Should we balance this out? 15:58:45 Daniel: will look at this. 15:58:56 Topic: Next Steps 16:00:57 Daniel: recap - movement of user research and input into foundation module. 16:01:33 ... will cross-reference from Designer modules to this content in the foundation modules. 16:02:34 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:02:34 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/15-wai-curricula-minutes.html Daniel_ 16:07:43 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:07:43 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/15-wai-curricula-minutes.html Daniel_