<kaz> scribenick: McCool
no guests today
review minutes: https://www.w3.org/2020/07/29-wot-minutes.html
any objections?
hearing none, minutes will be published
Sebastian: MiniApps, kaz and daniel joined, please give us an update
<sebastian> https://www.w3.org/2020/07/miniapp-virtual-meeting/agenda.html
Kaz: miniapps is platform for web
application mashup
... proposed by the MiniApps CG participants, e.g., Huawei, Xiaomi, Alibaba, etc.
... there was a proposal to form a WG, but my impression is they might want to start with an IG to clarify further possible use cases and requirements from global industry viewpoint as well
Sebastian: any relation to WoT?
McCool: connection to WoT: overlap with PWAs needs to be sorted out, then PWA are (potentially) connected to edge computing which is (potentially) connected to WoT
Kaz: proposed a joint meeting (either during the WoT main call or during TPAC) to have discussion during the MiniApps meeting
Daniel: think it would be
beneficial for them to explain their point of view and
goals
... there could be some relation with respect to scripting at
least
... slides and videos were meant to be reviewed in advance,
watch for that
McCool: in general, watch out for "homework required" calls
Sebastian: mainly concentrated on
mobile, right?
... anyhow, let's see if we set up a joint meeting
Kaz: ok, I will ask for a meeting
McCool: also good to add this to F2F wiki page, with topics "scripting" and "edge computing"
Kaz: there are WG, BG and CG on Publishing@W3C
... paper and online publishing companies used to be interested in epub format for ebooks
... but getting also interested in media in general and further collaboration, so I proposed joint meetings, one with MEIG and another with WoT
McCool: for media control?
Kaz: yes; mostly looking at ebooks, but now also looking at tv-based browsers, etc.
Sebastian: ok, let's add that to the joint meeting list; topic "Media control"
Kaz: also synchronization
Kaz: Kiura-san, the Agriculture CG Chair, invited me to a conference related to smart cities and smart agriculture in Asian areas
... there were two sessions, "Rural hybridization" and "Open & Sharing Data"
* Rural hybridization session
* Open & Sharing Data
McCool: this overlaps somewhat with
the smart cities activities within W3C
... logistics of delivery, for instance
Kaz: Kiura-san and some more presenters there want to have joint discussion with us, so I'd like to invite them to one of the WoT main calls
McCool: did not go to IETF108, should
ask Koster for an update later
... as for WISHI, main topic was microsoft's DTDL
... which overlaps with TDTs
... an open question is whether there is a direct mapping
between the two
<sebastian> https://codimd.ietf.org/t2trg-wishi-2020-07-30-notes#
Sebastian: another topic was CoAP and
RDF for protocol binding
... we talked about supporting this through IANA, since they
already have machine-readable formats eg XML
... and it might be possible to do a mechanical and automatic
mapping, and maybe have them host it
... and might be possible to implement this mapping with
XSLT
... if we did this, it would save us a lot of time
Lagally: on dtdl, is a certain
overlap, harmonization with tdt
... want to see how we can do alignment, for instance around
profiles
... in general we should actively engage with them, and we
should work hard to avoid fragmentation
Sebastian: my understanding is that
they also wish to avoid fragmentation, and are aware of WoT,
and are open to collaboration
... next step is to invite them to main call, and possibly also
TD call; they are already W3C and WoT members, easy for them to
join
Lagally: maybe a use case call... understand why they did their own data format
Sebastian: probably next step is main
call
... then discuss next steps
Kaz: who to invite?
Sebastian: Brian Crawford from Microsoft
Sebastian: updated on wiki page, call table
McCool: also updated outlook invites
Conexxus Strategy Meeting 2020
David: will be recording a call today
... Kristen Call and Michael McCool will be talking about standards and WoT there
... and talking about node-RED, etc.
... have had resonance
McCool: will have to look at video we have to see if it can be used
Sebastian: in progress... use case discussion in progress, meeting tomorrow
Lagally: if people have time to reviews
<mlagally> All SG 20 documents:
https://www.itu.int/ITU-T/recommendations/index_sg.aspx?sg=20
Here are the individual references for the documents mentioned on the call:
* https://www.itu.int/ITU-T/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=11699
* https://www.itu.int/ITU-T/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=12647
* https://www.itu.int/ITU-T/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=13027
* https://www.itu.int/ITU-T/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=13637
Sebastian: updated now with FPWD
dates
... and also final publication targets
... or rather, deadlines
McCool: I think each TF should fill in some intermediate targets, and we also could use some FPWD goals for TD2.0 and Arch2.0
<inserted> WoT TPAC wiki
Sebastian: review of dates for F2F;
resolution last meeting
... need to confirm dates for plugfest
proposal: to hold online plugfest during the week of Sept 28-Oct 2, with one meeting daily (same format as last time)
RESOLUTION: to hold online plugfest during the week of Sept 28-Oct 2, with one meeting daily (same format as last time)
McCool: need to start organizing topics for F2F
Kaz: please also document time
for 9-10am ET for plugfest call
... also this is before daylight savings time change
Sebastian: also are collecting joint meetings and topics for each
McCool: wonder if MEIG and Publishing
should be together, and media control can be discussed with
MEIG
... regarding plugfest, VPN will be set up but will not be
mandatory
Sebastian: see addition of marketing
and PoC cancellations
... on main call wiki page
<kaz> meeting cancellations
<sebastian> doodle ongoing
Sebastian: selective, due to
timing
... for marketing, note the doodle for the new time
... also, review the new web page
<sebastian> https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/
<kaz> Note that the above new "WoT Welcome page" has links to the following related pages which are also to be reviewed:
* https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/wg/
* https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/ig/
* https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/cg/
* https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/developers/
Sebastian: please provide
feedback
... right now we are discussing what the URL will be
Lagally: want to understand how
navigation to existing material, i.e. wikis
... does it replace existing pages?
Sebastian: will replace two things; the
https://www.w3.org/WoT/
landing page
... currently undergoing redesign...
... and then https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG will
be replaced (this one is under our direct control)
<kaz> We can set up redirections for:
https://www.w3.org/WoT/WG/ => https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/wg/
and:
https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/ => https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/ig/
However, at the moment we can't set up the redirection for:
https://www.w3.org/WoT/welcome => https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/
and need to wait until the site redesign project is done.
Lagally: one simple use case; someone want to join a WoT call, how do they find that information, without necessarily knowing about the IG/WG structure, etc.
Sebastian: new page has a "Calls and
Meetings" in an attempt to find this information easy to
find
... should probably also put it in the main menu
Daniel: this is definitely one of
our goals
... this is just a starting point
Lagally: suggest links to task forces at the top level
McCool: I think what we want to do is emphasize the task forces; the ig/wg breakdown is basically just a technicality
Daniel: ok, I will make a proposal and we can discuss next time
Kaz: we should clarify what kind
of information is needed for what kind of people, and create an
issue
... personal suggestion is that it will be easier to maintain
if static information is on the web page and dynamic
information is in wiki page
... not really reuse, but how to split static/dynamic
content
... for next step, need to think again about content is needed
and with what emphasis and priority
Sebastian: no-one is against this; what ml points out is that we should mention task forces in main pages
Kaz: suggest that Lagally create an issue on the marketing repo and we discuss there; perhaps also mm
Ege: good that we think of people
who are NOT already in the W3C IG/WG
... and make sure we provide guidance to people so they know
where to start
<kaz> [adjourned]