W3C

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DXWG Plenary

27 August 2019

Attendees

Present
antoine, DaveBrowning, kcoyle, ncar, plh, TomB
Regrets
AndreaPerego, Annette, Makx, PWinstanley, RiccardoAlbertoni
Chair
kcoyle
Scribe
TomB

Meeting minutes

Admin

<kcoyle> proposed: approve minutes https://‌www.w3.org/‌2019/‌08/‌20-dxwg-minutes

<DaveBrowning> 0 (not present)

<kcoyle> +1

<antoine> +1

<ncar> +1

<kcoyle> tomB says +1

<plh> 0

<antoine> 0 (not present)

Resolved: Approve minutes https://‌www.w3.org/‌2019/‌08/‌20-dxwg-minutes

DCAT Update

Karen: Dave, have you looked at steps to recommendation?

<kcoyle> Steps to recommendation: https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌wiki/‌Steps-to-Recommendation-2019

Dave: Helpful.

Karen: Worked with Philippe to lay out steps from here to Rec.
… Dave, where is DCAT in this process?

Dave: Had meeting with Philippe begin-August, so no surprise, but August has been quiet.
… But everyone will be back by end-August.
… I thought we got WG approval - delegating decision to DCAT group. No substantive changes.
… We have marked features at risk.
… Hope DCAT group can convene first week Sep and prepare transition request.

Philippe: Last WD was in May. We must produce CR in Sep. WG must be aware of "at risk".

Dave: This was discussed 3 weeks ago. We started with conservative list of features at risk.
… So in some cases, "at risk" seem solid.

Philippe: No down-side to having features "at risk".

Karen: Need another vote?

Philippe: We need WG decision on publishing - unless you delegate to DCAT group.
… At the latest by Sep 17.

Dave: Should be able to do by next week (my opinion).

Action: Dave to write an intro for a poll to approve DCAT as CR, send to chairs.

<trackbot> Created ACTION-361 - Write an intro for a poll to approve dcat as cr, send to chairs. [on Dave Raggett - due 2019-09-03].

Karen: DCAT sounds on track.

Philippe: Last time we discussed what we plan to do by end of [].

Dave: We intend to follow through.
… Andrea working on implementation report - we have until end-October.
… At that point we may be able to cross off some "at risk" things.

Conneg

<plh> action-361?

<trackbot> action-361: David Browning to Write an intro for a poll to approve dcat as cr, send to chairs. -- due 2019-09-03 -- OPEN

Karen: Unfortunately Lars not on calls - may need to schedule a call with him (preparatory call).

Nick: I can help with that.
… Major hold has been my W3C status. Resolved now; my status will change.
… having regular conneg meetings.
… Hoping to be at [] stage one week ago, but looking at time table - should be okay - also, in line with IETF document.

Karen: When did we lastsee the Conneg document?

Nick: April 4 circa, 2PWD.

Karen: Reviewable version by next week?

Nick: 3PWD Candidate should be ready next week.

Karen: Is there an easy way to tell WG what has changed?

<SimonCox> regrets from me again this week - I am on an ESIP call.

Nick: Best to look at document from scratch. Changes throughout. Updated examples. Most critical: completion of one approach in the document.
… And tying to the [theoretical approach].

Karen: Nick or Lars write up a guide to reading? Explain in brief prose what people should look for.

Action: Nick to write up an introduction to the upcoming Conneg WD.

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Action: ncar to write up an introduction to the upcoming Conneg WD.

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Action: @ncar to write up an introduction to the upcoming Conneg WD.

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Reopening PROF vocabulary

Karen: Poll is open to the end of the month.

Reporting Profile Guidance

Karen: We asked who can work on it. Primary focus of WG should be DCAT and Conneg.
… There is support for reopening: 10 to 1.
… People do change their votes.
… Five people willing to work, six no.
… Ten say: "do as Note".
… Do we have a chair?
… Without a chair, will not happen.

Antoine: Not sure I can volunteer to chair in sense of organizing calls - may not be able to attend many.
… Can certainly try to organize the work and spearhead.

Karen: Both DCAT and Conneg have had weekly or bi-weekly meetings. Philippe, for a Note, done more formally?
… So how group organizes itself is ok as long as work gets done?

Philippe: Yes

Antoine: We can have careful issue discussion, but for calls, may be easier to piggyback on regular calls.

Karen: Fine as long as WG is informed. Philippe, even though Note does not go through CR, it is still a product of WG and needs approval?

Philippe: Yes.
… No deadlines. No requirement to have consensus on content, but need agreement of WG to publish.
… So up to you guys.

Karen: Really until last day of charter?

Philippe: Yes!

Karen: End of December.

Philippe: You can publish btw Christmas and New Years' Eve!

<Zakim> TomB, you wanted to say I have agreed

Karen: You can look at poll results to see who agreed to work on it.
… So we can consider you the chair?

Antoine: Yes.
… Glad to see some can help!

Karen: You can create wiki pages, Github, whatever you want.

Profiles vocabulary

Karen: Status 2PWD April 2, which is when we put on hold.
… Majority for Rec track, minority for Note.

Philippe: We are required by process, if was CR, W3C would publish as Note.
… Would be surprised if it makes it to CR by mid-month.
… So many open issues.
… Concerned. Would encourage members of this WG to bring unresolved issues to attention of editors and this plenary group.
… Because must be resolved by mid-Sep.
… Bring up objections ASAP, because mid-Sep is too late.

ncar: My POV: we need to update status of issues. Our plan over next week: create additional issues for threads that have more than one issues.
… We haven't completed the feedback cycle on some of them.
… Hope by next plenary to have better grip.

Philippe: "Addressing issues" means responding to original commenter. Director will look to make sure this has been done.
… So that WG can approve as CR.

Karen: Suggest you bring to the group a list of what you consider substantive issues.
… ASAP need a list.

Karen: Appears there have been changes to doc since last published draft.
… Should people be looking at Editors' Draft?

ncar: Changes in github.io since April.

Karen: Can you determine that? Has been quite a while since people have looked at it.
… Where should people be working?

ncar: Always the editors' draft.

<Zakim> TomB, you wanted to ask Philippe about requirements re: responding to commenters

<kcoyle> TomB: some of the comments date back to February (actually January!)

<plh> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2019/‌Process-20190301/#formal-address

<kcoyle> ... what needs to be resolved in terms of consensus; doesn't give commenters much time to respond

Philippe: Never seen a WG working in such a tight time.
… Each issue needs to be responded with rationale.
… Can have some bulk responses (consolidate, point people to resolutions).

<Zakim> plh, you wanted to point Tom to https://‌www.w3.org/‌2019/‌Process-20190301/#formal-address and to ask about wide review

Philippe: The other point: wide review: we haven't even started the wide review.
… Will need to solicit comments.
… Reach out to community - need to answer question: did you reach out?

Nick: Some comments in January - in one case, party not responding. We haven't updated anything in some cases - will try to get feedback from Top Quadrant, etc. About seven issues from one person.
… Do "semi-bulk" response.
… We got feedback from ODRL. We have an implementation from ODRL. Need to go wider.

Karen: ODRL never posted to comments list.

Nick: We will be listing the implementation.

Action: Ncar to ask ODRL group to post comments to public mailing list.

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<Zakim> TomB, you wanted to clarify that commenters do not have same deadline

Philippe confirms that to close an issue, must provide a rationale - both for external and internal comments.

Philippe: You provide rationale. Can set deadline (a reasonable one) for respond. Usually, we would give a month, but we may need to chase people down to get responses.

Antoine: About this problem of closing issues where many have commented:
… needs to be a process for getting agreement with original commenter.

Philippe: You may want to ask commenters to open separate issues, especially if solution raises additional requirements.

Karen: Peter and I will try to get information about deadlines and next steps to the group as a whole. So people have an idea what work is required.

Philippe: People must respond if they do not agree.

Meeting adjourned.

Summary of action items

  1. Dave to write an intro for a poll to approve DCAT as CR, send to chairs.
  2. Nick to write up an introduction to the upcoming Conneg WD.
  3. ncar to write up an introduction to the upcoming Conneg WD.
  4. @ncar to write up an introduction to the upcoming Conneg WD.
  5. Ncar to ask ODRL group to post comments to public mailing list.

Summary of resolutions

  1. Approve minutes https://‌www.w3.org/‌2019/‌08/‌20-dxwg-minutes
Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by Bert Bos's scribe.perl version Mon Apr 15 13:11:59 2019 UTC, a reimplementation of David Booth's scribe.perl. See history.

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