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20:08:18 <TomB> Scribe: TomB
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20:08:32 <TomB> TOPIC Admin
20:08:46 <kcoyle> proposed: approve minutes https://www.w3.org/2019/08/20-dxwg-minutes
20:09:02 <DaveBrowning> 0 (not present)
20:09:06 <kcoyle> +1
20:09:27 <antoine> +1
20:09:28 <ncar> +1
20:09:32 <kcoyle> tomB says +1
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20:09:40 <TomB> RESOLVED Approve minutes https://www.w3.org/2019/08/20-dxwg-minutes
20:10:06 <TomB> TOPIC DCAT Update
20:10:21 <TomB> Karen: Dave, have you looked at steps to recommendation?
20:10:22 <kcoyle> Steps to recommendation: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/Steps-to-Recommendation-2019
20:10:32 <TomB> Dave: Helpful.
20:10:54 <TomB> Karen: Worked with Philippe to lay out steps from here to Rec.
20:11:07 <TomB> ...Dave, where is DCAT in this process?
20:11:41 <TomB> Dave: Had meeting with Philippe begin-August, so no surprise, but August has been quiet.
20:11:52 <TomB> ...But everyone will be back by end-August.
20:12:28 <TomB> ... I thought we got WG approval - delegating decision to DCAT group.  No substantive changes.
20:12:36 <TomB> ...We have marked features at risk.
20:13:04 <TomB> ... Hope DCAT group can convene first week Sep and prepare transition request.
20:13:35 <TomB> Philippe: Last WD was in May.  We must produce CR in Sep.  WG must be aware of "at risk".
20:13:57 <TomB> Dave: This was discussed 3 weeks ago.  We started with conservative list of features at risk.
20:14:16 <TomB> ... So in some cases, "at risk" seem solid.
20:14:29 <TomB> Philippe: No down-side to having features "at risk".
20:14:34 <TomB> Karen: Need another vote?
20:15:02 <TomB> Philippe: We need WG decision on publishing - unless you delegate to DCAT group.
20:15:09 <TomB> ... At the latest by Sep 17.
20:15:19 <TomB> Dave: Should be able to do by next week (my opinion).
20:16:15 <TomB> ACTION Dave to write an intro for a poll to approve DCAT as CR, send to chairs.
20:16:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-361 - Write an intro for a poll to approve dcat as cr, send to chairs. [on Dave Raggett - due 2019-09-03].
20:17:23 <TomB> Karen: DCAT sounds on track.
20:17:47 <TomB> Philippe: Last time we discussed what we plan to do by end of [].
20:17:54 <TomB> Dave: We intend to follow through.
20:18:22 <TomB> ... Andrea working on implementation report - we have until end-October.
20:18:50 <TomB> ... At that point we may be able to cross off some "at risk" things.
20:19:10 <TomB> TOPIC Conneg
20:19:19 <plh> action-361?
20:19:19 <trackbot> action-361 -- David Browning to Write an intro for a poll to approve dcat as cr, send to chairs. -- due 2019-09-03 -- OPEN
20:19:19 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/361
20:19:53 <TomB> Karen: Unfortunately Lars not on calls - may need to schedule a call with him (preparatory call).
20:20:00 <TomB> Nick: I can help with that.
20:20:44 <TomB> ... Major hold has been my W3C status. Resolved now; my status will change.
20:20:53 <TomB> ... having regular conneg meetings.
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20:21:24 <TomB> ... Hoping to be at [] stage one week ago, but looking at time table - should be okay - also, in line with IETF document.
20:21:35 <TomB> Karen: When did we lastsee the Conneg document?
20:21:43 <TomB> Nick: April 4 circa, 2PWD.
20:21:55 <TomB> Karen: Reviewable version by next week?
20:22:11 <TomB> Nick: 3PWD Candidate should be ready next week.
20:22:24 <TomB> Karen: Is there an easy way to tell WG what has changed?
20:22:31 <SimonCox> regrets from me again this week - I am on an ESIP call.
20:22:56 <TomB> Nick: Best to look at document from scratch.  Changes throughout. Updated examples.  Most critical: completion of one approach in the document.
20:23:10 <TomB> ... And tying to the [theoretical approach].
20:23:39 <TomB> Karen: Nick or Lars write up a guide to reading?  Explain in brief prose what people should look for.
20:24:40 <TomB> ACTION: Nick to write up an introduction to the upcoming Conneg WD.
20:24:41 <trackbot> Error finding 'Nick'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/users>.
20:24:49 <TomB> s/Nick/ncar/
20:25:17 <TomB> ACTION: ncar to write up an introduction to the upcoming Conneg WD.
20:25:18 <trackbot> Error finding 'ncar'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/users>.
20:25:29 <TomB> ACTION: @ncar to write up an introduction to the upcoming Conneg WD.
20:25:29 <trackbot> Error finding '@ncar'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/users>.
20:26:45 <TomB> TOPIC: Reopening PROF vocabulary
20:27:00 <TomB> Karen: Poll is open to the end of the month.
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20:27:38 <TomB> TOPIC: Reporting Profile Guidance
20:28:18 <TomB> Karen: We asked who can work on it.  Primary focus of WG should be DCAT and Conneg.
20:28:52 <TomB> ... There is support for reopening: 10 to 1.
20:29:04 <TomB> ... People do change their votes.
20:29:20 <TomB> ... Five people willing to work, six no.
20:29:44 <TomB> ... Ten say: "do as Note".
20:30:03 <TomB> ... Do we have a chair?
20:30:17 <antoine> q+
20:30:19 <TomB> ... Without a chair, will not happen.
20:30:25 <kcoyle> ack antoine
20:30:48 <TomB> Antoine: Not sure I can volunteer to chair in sense of organizing calls - may not be able to attend many.
20:31:02 <TomB> ... Can certainly try to organize the work and spearhead.
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20:31:42 <TomB> Karen: Both DCAT and Conneg have had weekly or bi-weekly meetings.  Philippe, for a Note, done more formally?
20:31:44 <antoine> q+
20:31:56 <kcoyle> ack antoine
20:31:59 <TomB> ... So how group organizes itself is ok as long as work gets done?
20:32:02 <TomB> Philippe: Yes
20:32:45 <TomB> Antoine: We can have careful issue discussion, but for calls, may be easier to piggyback on regular calls.
20:33:24 <TomB> Karen: Fine as long as WG is informed. Philippe, even though Note does not go through CR, it is still a product of WG and needs approval?
20:33:27 <TomB> Philippe: Yes.
20:34:02 <TomB> ... No deadlines.  No requirement to have consensus on content, but need agreement of WG to publish.
20:34:08 <TomB> ... So up to you guys.
20:34:23 <TomB> Karen: Really until last day of charter?
20:34:29 <TomB> Philippe: Yes!
20:34:51 <TomB> Karen: End of December.
20:35:06 <TomB> Philippe: You can publish btw Christmas and New Years' Eve!
20:35:23 <TomB> q+ to say I have agreed
20:35:41 <kcoyle> ack tomB
20:35:41 <Zakim> TomB, you wanted to say I have agreed
20:36:01 <antoine> q+
20:36:16 <TomB> Karen: You can look at poll results to see who agreed to work on it.
20:36:32 <TomB> ... So we can consider you the chair?
20:36:34 <kcoyle> ack antoine
20:36:37 <TomB> Antoine: Yes.
20:36:57 <TomB> ... Glad to see some can help!
20:37:45 <TomB> Karen: You can create wiki pages, Github, whatever you want.
20:37:51 <TomB> TOPIC: Profiles vocabulary
20:38:09 <TomB> Karen: Status 2PWD April 2, which is when we put on hold.
20:38:48 <TomB> ... Majority for Rec track, minority for Note.
20:39:54 <TomB> Philippe: We are required by process, if was CR, W3C would publish as Note.
20:39:59 <ncar> +q
20:40:23 <TomB> ... Would be surprised if it makes it to CR by mid-month.
20:40:33 <TomB> ... So many open issues.
20:41:41 <TomB> ... Concerned. Would encourage members of this WG to bring unresolved issues to attention of editors and this plenary group.
20:42:03 <TomB> ... Because must be resolved by mid-Sep.
20:42:23 <TomB> ... Bring up objections ASAP, because mid-Sep is too late.
20:42:30 <kcoyle> ack ncar
20:43:11 <TomB> ncar: My POV: we need to update status of issues.  Our plan over next week: create additional issues for threads that have more than one issues.
20:43:32 <TomB> ... We haven't completed the feedback cycle on some of them.
20:43:52 <TomB> ... Hope by next plenary to have better grip.
20:44:45 <TomB> Philippe: "Addressing issues" means responding to original commenter.  Director will look to make sure this has been done.
20:44:59 <TomB> ... So that WG can approve as CR.
20:45:16 <TomB> Karen: Suggest you bring to the group a list of what you consider substantive issues.
20:45:36 <TomB> ... ASAP need a list.
20:45:55 <TomB> q+ to ask Philippe about requirements re: responding to commenters
20:46:14 <TomB> Karen: Appears there have been changes to doc since last published draft.
20:46:40 <TomB> ... Should people be looking at Editors' Draft?
20:47:16 <TomB> ncar: Changes in github.io since April.
20:47:38 <TomB> Karen: Can you determine that?  Has been quite a while since people have looked at it.
20:47:48 <plh> q+ to point Tom to https://www.w3.org/2019/Process-20190301/#formal-address
20:47:48 <TomB> ... Where should people be working?
20:48:05 <plh> q+ to ask about wide review
20:48:08 <TomB> ncar: Always the editors' draft.
20:48:42 <kcoyle> ack TomB
20:48:42 <Zakim> TomB, you wanted to ask Philippe about requirements re: responding to commenters
20:49:22 <ncar> q+
20:49:24 <kcoyle> TomB: some of the comments date back to February (actually January!)
20:49:44 <plh> https://www.w3.org/2019/Process-20190301/#formal-address
20:49:47 <kcoyle> ... what needs to be resolved in terms of consensus; doesn't give commenters much time to respond
20:50:05 <kcoyle> q?
20:50:15 <TomB> Philippe: Never seen a WG working in such a tight time.
20:50:47 <TomB> ... Each issue needs to be responded with rationale.
20:51:11 <TomB> q+ to clarify that commenters do not have same deadline
20:51:45 <TomB> ... Can have some bulk responses (consolidate, point people to resolutions).
20:51:49 <kcoyle> ack plh
20:51:49 <Zakim> plh, you wanted to point Tom to https://www.w3.org/2019/Process-20190301/#formal-address and to ask about wide review
20:52:16 <TomB> ... The other point: wide review: we haven't even started the wide review.
20:52:22 <TomB> ... Will need to solicit comments.
20:53:15 <TomB> ... Reach out to community - need to answer question: did you reach out?
20:53:35 <kcoyle> ack ncar
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20:54:27 <TomB> Nick: Some comments in January - in one case, party not responding. We haven't updated anything in some cases - will try to get feedback from Top Quadrant, etc.  About seven issues from one person.
20:55:06 <TomB> ... Do "semi-bulk" response.
20:55:28 <TomB> ... We got feedback from ODRL.  We have an implementation from ODRL.  Need to go wider.
20:55:37 <TomB> Karen: ODRL never posted to comments list.
20:55:57 <TomB> Nick: We will be listing the implementation.
20:56:13 <TomB> ACTION: Ncar to ask ODRL group to post comments to public mailing list.
20:56:13 <trackbot> Error finding 'Ncar'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/users>.
20:56:30 <kcoyle> q?
20:56:40 <kcoyle> ack tomB
20:56:40 <Zakim> TomB, you wanted to clarify that commenters do not have same deadline
20:57:49 <TomB> Philippe confirms that to close an issue, must provide a rationale - both for external and internal comments.
20:58:09 <antoine> q+
20:59:04 <kcoyle> ack antoine
20:59:10 <TomB> Philippe: You provide rationale.  Can set deadline (a reasonable one) for respond.  Usually, we would give a month, but we may need to chase people down to get responses.
20:59:39 <TomB> Antoine: About this problem of closing issues where many have commented:
21:00:01 <TomB> ... needs to be a process for getting agreement with original commenter.
21:00:42 <TomB> Philippe: You may want to ask commenters to open separate issues, especially if solution raises additional requirements.
21:01:22 <TomB> Karen: Peter and I will try to get information about deadlines and next steps to the group as a whole.  So people have an idea what work is required.
21:01:58 <TomB> Philippe: People must respond if they do not agree.
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21:02:47 <TomB> Meeting adjourned.
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21:12:52 <AndreaPerego> meeting: DXWG Plenary
21:13:19 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.08.27
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21:14:43 <AndreaPerego> s/RESOLVED Approve minutes/resolved: Approve minutes/
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