– DRAFT –
DPVCG
07 August 2018
<AxelPollleres> Hi all!
<harsh> Hello!
<Ramisa> Hello
Action: Axel to include links to IRC and minutes into the agenda next time
<Harald> Notes from the DPVCG 1st telco held on August 7th, 16:00 Brussels Time,
Stefano introduces himself.
<AxelPollleres> Stefano, WAAG works on a European project around Blockchain.
<stefano> http://www.decode.eu/
<stefano> sorry wrong link due to slow internet
<Harald> Goal: Contribute to joint aim with ideas for standardisation around data protection / privacy in the field of infomed consent.
<Ramisa> https://www.w3.org/2018/07/23-dpvcg-minutes.html#meeting
<stefano> the correct one is https://decodeproject.eu/
AxelPollleres summarizes the group's goals, gives pointers.
<AxelPollleres> minutes from last time https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2018Jul/0008.html
<Harald> Axel: Introduction to this cal. Minutes from the last call are in the wWiki (link above).
user page https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/User:Apollere2
Individual introductions: There had been a ToDo for all to introduce themselves in the Wiki. A page is automatically created for every user upon login.
Axel: Please, add something about yourself on your wiki profile page.
Axel: comments on the minutes?
Eva_ULD: A question about the wiki:
… I saw new use cases. How do I make a sub-page?
group home page https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/
Axel: Let's talk about that at the agenda topic on use cases.
Axel: Have action points been closed already?
ACTION-3 continued
<trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-3 Clarify which github space we can use W3C's github space or if we need something else.
<harsh> question: do we mark our assigned actions as closed by ourselves or review them in meetings before closing?
Axel: See the tracker.
ACTION-4 done
<trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-4 Draft a page afor ORDL.
action-4?
<trackbot> action-4 -- Víctor Rodríguez-Doncel to Draft a page afor ORDL -- due 2018-08-13 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/4
<simonstey> https://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc
close ACTION-4
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-4.
Close ACTION-5
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-5.
Bert: I added some pages for action-7, but not done yet.
Action-8, Additions done by Axel, but there could be more, so not closing the action yet.
Axel: action-8 not done yet.
<AxelPollleres> Agenda: 1) fix call-details for future calls:
Axel: We have a WebEx reservation.
we have permanent Webex which is accessible as per the link put in by Bert.
link is accessible to group members through the W3C account,
Bert: current telcon schedule is every two weeks, Can change that if we want.
Currrently set up for biweekly on Tuesdays at 16:00.
Axel: Schedule seems OK.
MyData conference: No contact has been established yet.
who plans to be at Mydata?
Axel: I still have to contact the conf. org. to get a room. But who is planning to come?
Harald: I plan to come to our session, but not the whole conference.
One slot with interoperability as the main content planned.
Axel: Idea is to present the group at the conf. But the conf. itself is also interesting, normally.
Harald: If there are very few people, maybe I won't come.
… What is the date, exactly?
Session Aug 30th. 10:00-11:15
My data session is at August 30, 10:00am-11:15 Eastern Europ Time (Helsinki) https://mydata2018.org/sessions/semantic-interoperability-and-transparency/
Axel: I can try to organize a meeting after that session.
Session Thursday, Aug 30th. 10:00-11:15 (Helsinki-time!) Maybe a call can be organized a call later that day for those people unable to attend.
Axel: If not on that day, then maybe a call on Friday morning.
Action: Axel to organize a call later on 30th after the mydata session or on Friday morning to sync with people jooining through the conference.... will contact organizers.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-10 - Organize a call later on 30th after the mydata session or on friday morning to sync with people jooining through the conference.... will contact organizers. [on Axel Polleres - due 2018-08-14].
Axel: Any more industry links?
Eva sent around the link to industry partners, Harald advertised in a German Big Data Project.
Harald: Looked at legal experts in big data, nobody joined so far.
Axel: Can maybe reach out to industrial data spaces project and another Austrian Big Data project (DMA).
Action: Axel to reach out to industrial data spaces project (Germany) and another Austrian Big Data project (DMA).
<trackbot> Error creating an ACTION: could not connect to Tracker. Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what happened.
Harald reached out to German group of Big Data experts. Will reach out to further data protection people.
requirements and vocabularies (what is a requirement?)//requirements and vocabularies
<harsh> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/Use-Cases,_Requirements,_Vocabularies#Requirements
https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/Use-Cases,_Requirements,_Vocabularies
Axel: Templates have been made in our wiki.
… Some vocabularies have been created already.
… Harsh made the templates.
Comments by Eva on the templates: As for the use case add a number and title for better strcture. Maybe allow for sub-use cases.
Eva_ULD: The use cases template could be even more structured. Maybe an identifier or number, a title, a list of sub-pages/sub-categories.
… also actors and components of the use case.
Eva_ULD: Besides use case overview a section on actors may be useful. Eva may send around her suggestions to the mailing list.
… I can send my suggestions to the mailing list.
<simonstey> https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Use_Cases#Use_Case_Template what about that template?
Eva_ULD: The requirements template: do we need to differnetiate categories of requirements, such as legal or technical.
Eva_ULD: Should we differentiate between types of conferences (legal, functional, technical, interoperability?). Axel so far intentionally went for a slim appraoch.
<simonstey> this for requirements https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Requirements#NOTES_on_discussing_and_approving_requirements ?
Axel: I put what we had in the workshop, but we should discuss, today, what we need exactly.
… We want to have various taxonomies.
… The final requirements from the workshop were not very clear.
Eva_ULD: The requirements may influence the descriptions of the use cases.
… If we do use cases first, we may need to rewrite them later.
Axel: I'm not sure if the uses cases need to be so central.
… We can say that people should suggest requirements by e-mail before the next telcon.
Harald: Or in the wiki, but noted as "not yet voted on"
Axel: We all work on use cases. Just collect what is out there, e.g. to understand the mind set and interests of the other group members.
Axel: I'm interested in what the people in the group are working on.
Axel: Is it OK that we leave those that are there now, and send suggestions by mail?
Eva_ULD: OK.
Action: all to suggest/propose additional Requirements on the mailing list (and mark them as "to be discussed")
<trackbot> Error finding 'all'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/users>.
Eva_ULD: More people will see them on the mailing list.
In general. whenever you add something new to the wiki, annouce it on the mailinglist.
Whenever something is edited and added new please announce it to the group via e-mail
simonstey: To respond to Eva_ULD:
… I agree to do requirements first, before use cases. But every requirements should have a use case.
… Other wise the requirement isn't really required.
… After the workshop, we already have some use cases.
… I posted two links above with templates.
… I recommend we follow those.
… Implies that every requirement has a use case.
Axel: Coverage list for all requirements?
simonstey: Requirements are linked to uses cases they come from, and eventually also linked to the solution.
Axel: The current list of requirements is just the list of goals from the workshop.
simonstey: We may need a categorization of requirements.
… Different levels, different parts of the process. But maybe categorize them when we have more.
Axel: We need better starting points than the current list. simonstey, can you start on a template for requirements?
simonstey: The template is not very long.
Action: Eva_ULD to look over use cases template
<trackbot> Error finding 'Eva_ULD'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/users>.
Eva_ULD: I can send some suggestions for the requirements template to the mailing list, too.
Action: simonstey to look over requirements template
<trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Look over requirements template [on Simon Steyskal - due 2018-08-14].
Axel: Who has more use cases? stefano?
stefano: I plan to add my use case.
Action: stefano to propose use case(s) for the Decode project
<trackbot> Created ACTION-13 - Propose use case(s) for the decode project [on Stefano Bocconi - due 2018-08-14].
Axel: We have quite a list of vocabularies already.
… Can people align them with the template?
Axel: Try to make cross-references to requirements and use cases.
Action: all who proposed vocabularies to align them to the template
<trackbot> Error finding 'all'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/users>.
Axel: Asking contributors of vocabularies to align them to the template, timeframe: until next telco.
<harsh> Also will do for Data Protection ontology by Bartolini et. al.
Harsh will look into GDPRov, PDPRTEXT, PROV-O, PPLAN,
we leave ODRL with Victor for now.
<harsh> +1
Stefane will look at P3P ...
Harsh will look into DPO
Axel: P3P has a few terms, I put some links already.
DPO = data protection ontology
Action: Axel to ask Hendrik for edition IEEE 7012
<trackbot> Error creating an ACTION: could not connect to Tracker. Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what happened.
<harsh> Apologies, my mic wasn't on. My query was: P3P has lots of criticisms directed at it. Should these also be part of the vocabulary description on the wiki
Javier: I can work on SPLOG.
… The others can maybe be put together under usage-policy
Javier can do SPLOG, and unify other SPECIAL vocabs.
Axel: Asking for any other business....
one call before MyData conference. Goal for next call, see what to present and discuss in Helsinki.
Axel: My goal is to have some things on the wiki, so we can present somethig at MyData.
… we have one more call before then.
… Also, if you have topics to discuss, send them to the mailing list.
adjourned , hear you in two weeks
<Ramisa> Thanks
<stefano> thanks, bye
Thanks all!
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