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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

25 May 2017

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
addison, andrewc, r12a, JohnOC, John, O'Conner, JcK
Regrets
Steven
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
addison

Contents


<scribe> ScribeNick: addison

https://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/96

[aphillip]: add this issue to HTML5 bug 11579

<r12a> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11579

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/html/pull/881

https://github.com/w3c/html/pull/881/commits/d54c6b94c0d84aa09dac5fed3c1e7b075d46ee05

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/845

Agenda

Action Items

https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

action-552?

<trackbot> action-552 -- Addison Phillips to Write to TAG about potential for a serialization form for natural language strings to address issues with dir and lang -- due 2016-09-29 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/552

close action-552

<trackbot> Closed action-552.

action-612?

<trackbot> action-612 -- Addison Phillips to Create a bidi/lang recommendations document in order to go to tag -- due 2017-04-27 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/612

close action-612

<trackbot> Closed action-612.

action-615?

<trackbot> action-615 -- Addison Phillips to Finalize floating time article for publication -- due 2017-05-04 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/615

action-616?

<trackbot> action-616 -- Addison Phillips to Update unicode-xml to indicate current status -- due 2017-05-11 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/616

action-616

<trackbot> action-616 -- Addison Phillips to Update unicode-xml to indicate current status -- due 2017-05-11 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/616

close action-616

<trackbot> Closed action-616.

<scribe> ACTION: richard: check unicode-xml publication via echidna [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/05/25-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-620 - Check unicode-xml publication via echidna [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-06-01].

action-619?

<trackbot> action-619 -- Addison Phillips to Notify html that we completed 5.2 and don't have comments -- due 2017-05-25 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/619

close action-619

<trackbot> Closed action-619.

Info Share

Reviews

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects

http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/

richard: curious about hebrew progress

<r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/tests/repo/results/native-user-interfaces#windowheader

richard: page title tests
... if you apply dir to a title element
... does that get carried over in the tab or whatever
... FF swapped behavior
... issue raised on whatwg list
... why don't we just use first strong
... because that's what browsers do just now
... trying to explain the issues

addison: let's write code to sniff it when we have the information right there in the document // irony

<r12a> https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/2648

richard: that's the whatwg issue

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/416

richard: thats our tracker issue

IMSC pending comments

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/413

addison: I'd take out "as specified in"

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/415

<JohnO> must drop out now for another mtg. apologies.

<scribe> ACTION: addison: file additional issue on imsc related to font selection and "recommended character sets" section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/05/25-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-621 - File additional issue on imsc related to font selection and "recommended character sets" section [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-06-01].

HTML 5.2 and EAI

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/538

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/html/pull/881

https://github.com/w3c/html/pull/881/commits/d54c6b94c0d84aa09dac5fed3c1e7b075d46ee05

jck: EAI says the localpart must be UTF-8
... and unencoded by punycode
... the domain part is expected to be in UTF-8, although punycode cannot be prevented
... if I'm running an email system and use xn-- in a name, nothing stops that

richard: html says "left hand side we'll do later"
... and save/accept as IDN

jck: probably a bad idea for a technical reason
... there are two small vendors who have extensive DNS stuff for local use (distinct from public)
... there is an RFC, conversion to A-labels are as close to DNS lookup as possible
... that would be irrelevant if the companies were not AAPL and MSFT

richard: remember in 2014
... there was an email system in KSA
... which was entirely in Arabic, so this wouldn't help them

jck: there are deployed EAI systems in Russia, India
... China
... non-ascii localparts
... which could be just a few people

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/845

addison: one reason this didn't go in html50 was that much of the Web expects ascii-based email forms

jck: IDNA2008 is completely reversible
... but not utr46
... if they do conversion on left hand part, breaks smtp

AOB?

<Klensin> FWIW, the RFC that describes thjat Apple/Microsoft local use of non-IDNA, none=ASCII IDNs is RFC 6055

<r12a> ok, chaals, i'll ask addison to create a summary

<Klensin> If I'm copied on the summary I may be able to fill in any needed additional details.

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: addison: file additional issue on imsc related to font selection and "recommended character sets" section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/05/25-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: check unicode-xml publication via echidna [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/05/25-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
 

Summary of Resolutions

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