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14:41:18 <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
14:41:21 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:41:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:41:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:41:24 <trackbot> Date: 25 May 2017
14:41:25 <Zakim> ok, trackbot
14:41:35 <addison> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017May/0029.html
14:41:40 <addison> Regrets: Steven
14:41:46 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:41:49 <addison> ScribeNick: addison
14:41:59 <addison> agenda+ Agenda
14:42:03 <addison> agenda+ Action Items
14:42:07 <addison> agenda+ Info Share
14:42:13 <addison> agenda+ Reviews
14:42:28 <addison> agenda+ unicode@ discussion of U+FFFD generation
14:42:39 <addison> agenda+ Review of qa-floating-times
14:42:52 <addison> agenda+ IMSC pending comments
14:42:55 <addison> agenda?
14:42:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/25-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:57:31 <addison> present+
14:57:54 <andrewc> present+
14:58:17 <addison> present+ r12a
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15:01:53 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/96
15:02:25 <addison> [aphillip]: add this issue to HTML5 bug 11579
15:04:21 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11579
15:06:41 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/html/pull/881
15:08:25 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/html/pull/881/commits/d54c6b94c0d84aa09dac5fed3c1e7b075d46ee05
15:09:18 <addison> present+ JohnOC
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15:11:51 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/845
15:12:14 <JohnO> present+ John O'Conner
15:13:24 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:13:24 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Agenda" taken up [from addison]
15:13:27 <addison> agenda?
15:13:39 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:13:39 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Action Items" taken up [from addison]
15:13:46 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:13:59 <addison> action-552?
15:13:59 <trackbot> action-552 -- Addison Phillips to Write to TAG about potential for a serialization form for natural language strings to address issues with dir and lang -- due 2016-09-29 -- OPEN
15:13:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/552
15:14:13 <addison> close action-552
15:14:13 <trackbot> Closed action-552.
15:14:30 <addison> action-612?
15:14:30 <trackbot> action-612 -- Addison Phillips to Create a bidi/lang recommendations document in order to go to tag -- due 2017-04-27 -- OPEN
15:14:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/612
15:14:37 <addison> close action-612
15:14:37 <trackbot> Closed action-612.
15:14:51 <addison> action-615?
15:14:51 <trackbot> action-615 -- Addison Phillips to Finalize floating time article for publication -- due 2017-05-04 -- OPEN
15:14:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/615
15:15:03 <addison> action-616?
15:15:03 <trackbot> action-616 -- Addison Phillips to Update unicode-xml to indicate current status -- due 2017-05-11 -- OPEN
15:15:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/616
15:15:41 <addison> action-616
15:15:41 <trackbot> action-616 -- Addison Phillips to Update unicode-xml to indicate current status -- due 2017-05-11 -- OPEN
15:15:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/616
15:15:46 <addison> close action-616
15:15:46 <trackbot> Closed action-616.
15:16:04 <addison> action: richard: check unicode-xml publication via echidna
15:16:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-620 - Check unicode-xml publication via echidna [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-06-01].
15:16:40 <addison> action-619?
15:16:40 <trackbot> action-619 -- Addison Phillips to Notify html that we completed 5.2 and don't have comments -- due 2017-05-25 -- OPEN
15:16:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/619
15:16:45 <addison> close action-619
15:16:45 <trackbot> Closed action-619.
15:17:01 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:17:01 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Info Share" taken up [from addison]
15:17:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/25-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:17:19 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:17:19 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Reviews" taken up [from addison]
15:17:25 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
15:18:33 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects
15:18:59 <addison> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
15:19:46 <Klensin> present+ JcK
15:19:49 <addison> richard: curious about hebrew progress
15:20:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/25-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:20:49 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/tests/repo/results/native-user-interfaces#windowheader
15:20:59 <addison> richard: page title tests
15:21:05 <addison> ... if you apply dir to a title element
15:21:16 <addison> ... does that get carried over in the tab or whatever
15:21:28 <addison> ... FF swapped behavior
15:21:39 <addison> ... issue raised on whatwg list
15:21:47 <addison> ... why don't we just use first strong
15:21:53 <addison> ... because that's what browsers do just now
15:21:59 <addison> ... trying to back that off
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15:22:31 <addison> addison: let's write code to sniff it when we have the information right there in the document // irony
15:22:46 <r12a> https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/2648#issuecomment-303582715
15:22:57 <addison> richard: that's the whatwg issue
15:23:04 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/416
15:23:10 <addison> richard: thats our tracker issue
15:23:19 <r12a> s/#issuecomment-303582715//
15:23:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/25-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:24:06 <addison> agenda?
15:24:48 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
15:24:48 <Zakim> agendum 7. "IMSC pending comments" taken up [from addison]
15:25:07 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/413
15:26:50 <addison> addison: I'd take out "as specified in"
15:28:36 <addison> agenda?
15:28:38 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/415
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15:31:44 <JohnO> must drop out now for another mtg. apologies.
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15:41:51 <addison> action: addison: file additional issue on imsc related to font selection and "recommended character sets" section
15:41:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-621 - File additional issue on imsc related to font selection and "recommended character sets" section [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-06-01].
15:42:07 <addison> agenda?
15:42:44 <addison> Topic: HTML 5.2 and EAI
15:43:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/25-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:43:15 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/538
15:43:27 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/html/pull/881
15:43:37 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/html/pull/881/commits/d54c6b94c0d84aa09dac5fed3c1e7b075d46ee05
15:45:39 <addison> jck: EAI says the localpart must be UTF-8
15:45:51 <addison> ... and unencoded by punycode
15:46:07 <addison> ... the domain part is expected to be in UTF-8, although punycode cannot be prevented
15:46:37 <addison> ... if I'm running an email system and use xn-- in a name, nothing stops that
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15:47:03 <addison> richard: html says "left hand side we'll do later"
15:47:12 <addison> ... and save/accept as IDN
15:47:23 <addison> jck: probably a bad idea for a technical reason
15:47:51 <addison> ... there are two small vendors who have extensive DNS stuff for local use (distinct from public)
15:48:11 <addison> ... there is an RFC, conversion to A-labels are as close to DNS lookup as possible
15:48:27 <addison> ... that would be irrelevant if the companies were not AAPL and MSFT
15:49:04 <addison> richard: remember in 2014
15:49:14 <addison> ... there was an email system in KSA
15:49:23 <addison> ... which was entirely in Arabic
15:49:44 <addison> jck: there are deployed EAI systems in Russia, India
15:49:47 <addison> ... China
15:49:53 <addison> ... non-ascii localparts
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15:50:05 <addison> ... which could be just a few people
15:52:42 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/845
15:52:44 <addison> addison: one reason this didn't go in html50 was that much of the Web expects ascii-based email forms
15:53:24 <addison> jck: IDNA2008 is completely reversible
15:53:29 <addison> ... but not utr46
15:54:15 <addison> ... if they do conversion on left hand part, breaks smtp
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15:56:25 <addison> agenda?
15:56:38 <addison> Topic: AOB?
15:57:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/25-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:57:22 <Klensin> FWIW, the RFC that describes thjat Apple/Microsoft local use of non-IDNA, none=ASCII IDNs is RFC 6055
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15:58:36 <r12a> ok, chaals, i'll ask addison to create a summary
15:59:30 <Klensin> If I'm copied on the summary I may be able to fill in any needed additional details.
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16:42:14 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:42:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/25-i18n-minutes.html r12a
16:42:49 <r12a> s/trackbot, prepare teleconference//
16:44:36 <r12a> s/trying to back that off/trying to explain the issues/
16:44:40 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:44:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/25-i18n-minutes.html r12a
16:46:28 <r12a> s/which was entirely in Arabic/which was entirely in Arabic, so this wouldn't help them/
16:47:56 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:47:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/25-i18n-minutes.html r12a
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19:49:12 <addison> zakim, bye
19:49:12 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been addison, andrewc, r12a, JohnOC, O'Conner, JcK
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