Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference

Approving Minutes

Resolved: Last week's minutes approved

Alejandra asks for what appears in the minutes

<Caroline> https://‌www.w3.org/‌wiki/‌IRC

phil: the queue system: if you want to speak, just type q+

<Alejandra> thanks!

see https://‌www.w3.org/‌2001/‌12/‌zakim-irc-bot.html

and https://‌www.w3.org/‌2002/‌03/‌RRSAgent

Introductions

Jean: works at NIC.br, PhD student on topic of open data

<Caroline> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌wiki/‌Meetings:Telecon2017.05.25

<Caroline> III. Use case task: Use Case Working Space: discussing the Use Cases addressed and defining the editors

Use cases

Alejandra: will there be a deadline for use cases?

Caroline: it is flexible, but would be nice to have a deadline, so we can move on with the requirements

Karen: let's not wait too long for use cases

<PWinstanley> +1 to the idea of a month

Let's set a deadline of a month?

+1 for a month

<Present_Thomas> +1 for me (a month)

<Alejandra> +1 for a month

<RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to setting a deadline in one month

<erics> +1 for 1 month

<ByronCinNZ> +1 for a month

<Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1

<Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about iterations

Karen: also, other work can go on in the background

Phil: we could then have a first public working draft with use cases

can still have updates then

kcoyle: this also means we'd have complete use cases before the first F2F

<roba> +1

<AndreaPerego> +1

Proposal: establish deadline for use cases

<Present_Thomas> +1

<phila> PROPOSED: Use Cases to be collected by the end of June

<AndreaPerego> +1

<newton> +1

<Alejandra> +1

<RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

<PWinstanley> +1

<Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1

<Caroline> +1

<ByronCinNZ> +1

<kcoyle> +1

<LarsG> +1

<erics> +1

<Present_Thomas> +1

<achille_zappa> +1

<annette_g> +1

Resolved: Use Cases to be collected by the end of June

<SimonCox> +1

<roba> +1

<newton> phila: is explaining how the process works

<newton> ... showing the minutes and explaining how the resolutions are recorded

<newton> Caroline: suggest to define the editors of Use Cases

<newton> fanieli: can be one of the editor of the UC doc

<newton> Caroline: anyone else would like to be an editor with fanieli?

<RubenVerborgh1> Phil: whichever document we're talking about, editing a document is a scary thing

<PWinstanley> I will help in this

<RubenVerborgh1> you may be put off by HTML and GitHub

<RubenVerborgh1> but you will be helped

<RubenVerborgh1> these technical things shouldn't stop you from being an editor

<RubenVerborgh1> Alejandra: I want to edit one of the other documents

<RubenVerborgh1> but how much time should I consider for that?

<SimonCox> How long is a piece of string?

<RubenVerborgh1> Phil: use cases document is probably one of the simplest

<RubenVerborgh1> difficult thing is keeping track

<RubenVerborgh1> but not a huge job

<Alejandra> thanks :-)

<RubenVerborgh1> time is hard to say, half a day a week until it is done maybe

<SimonCox> Editing UC document: Largely about being organized in keeping lists and cross-references, and making things look a bit uniform

<RubenVerborgh1> Eric: Should we have sample data for use cases?

<Zakim> phila, you wanted to pick up on Eric's question

<RubenVerborgh1> phila: yes, having real data in the use cases makes them much stronger, definitely encouraged

<RubenVerborgh1> phila: definite +1 for real data

<RubenVerborgh1> newton: Happy to help and contribute with GitHub and HTML

<RubenVerborgh1> roba: Comment on the use cases: it's useful to distinguish between use cases and example scenarios differently

<PWinstanley> I agree with roba that we need a canonical model for use cases

<RubenVerborgh1> Jaroslav_Pullmann: documents important to know how current standards have to be changed

<RubenVerborgh1> more than 20 use cases, very impressive

<RubenVerborgh1> if more editors are needed, I can help

<RubenVerborgh1> helps extract requirements

<RubenVerborgh1> for new version of DCAT

<RubenVerborgh1> Alejandra: In terms of documents, if we are working in parallel tracks?

<RubenVerborgh1> …role of editors: are they the only ones modifying?

<RubenVerborgh1> …others just make issues?

<RubenVerborgh1> Caroline: everything we approve as group must be in the document

<RubenVerborgh1> …that's the main role of the editor

<RubenVerborgh1> kcoyle: I would suggest that Jaroslav_Pullmann and fanieli edit the document

<erics> you can distinguish between editors and contributors

<RubenVerborgh1> Caroline: we can have 3 editors as well

<Alejandra> +1 for pull requests

<RubenVerborgh1> roba: contributions can also be done through pull requests for editors

<RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to erics about distinguishing between editors and contributors as we did in other group

<RubenVerborgh1> Caroline: other editors?

<roba> will be happy to join as editor - can help with git

<RubenVerborgh1> PROPOSED: Have Jaroslav_Pullmann and fanieli as editors

<erics> +1

<RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

<Present_Thomas> +1

<annette_g> should probably say what they are editing

<SimonCox> +1

<AndreaPerego> +1

<Present_Thomas> Three, I thought

<Caroline> PROPOSED: Have Jaroslav_Pullmann, fanieli and roba as editors of the Use Cases document

<AndreaPerego> +1

<ByronCinNZ> +1

<RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

<Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1

<mathieu> +1

<erics> +1

<roba> +1

<RubenVerborgh1> +1

<Caroline> +1

<LarsG> +1

<annette_g> +1

<SimonCox> +1

<achille_zappa> +1

<newton> +1

<RiccardoAlbertoni> s\t+1\+1

<PWinstanley> +1

<fanieli> +1

<RubenVerborgh1> roba: no need to vote on GitHub

<Caroline> RESOVED: Have Jaroslav_Pullmann, fanieli and roba as editors of the Use Cases document

Resolved: Have Jaroslav_Pullmann, fanieli and roba as editors of the Use Cases document

<Caroline> IV. Starting discussing DCAT and defining the editors

start discussing DCAT

<RubenVerborgh1> Alejandra: I volunteer

<PWinstanley> I will help

<SimonCox> q

<SimonCox> I will assist too

<Present_Thomas> I can help also

<mathieu> I can help too

<RiccardoAlbertoni> i will help as contributor..

<RubenVerborgh1> kcoyle: Given that a number of people couldn't attend, maybe we shouldn't finalize this.

<erics> oooh good point

<achille_zappa> i think it would be better wait for missing people

<mathieu> that's a good point

<RubenVerborgh1> yeah, the short notice and the holiday are a bit unfortunate for major decisions

<SimonCox> - good point Karen - though there will always be missing members (e.g. next week I will not be in the meeting)

<annette_g> I think our charter says we have to do that

<RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to kcoyle about not finalising the list of editors..

<roba> ok by me

<RubenVerborgh1> Caroline: shall we leave the decision open about use cases as well then?

<AndreaPerego> +1

<achille_zappa> wait at least for DCAT

<kcoyle> +1

<RubenVerborgh1> LarsG: let's set editors now for use cases, given short amount of time

<Present_Thomas> +1 to wait for DCAT

<Jaroslav_Pullmann> +

<mathieu> +1 on waiting

<RubenVerborgh1> PROPOSED: waiting a week for DCAT

<Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1

<RubenVerborgh1> +1

<phila> +1 to wait a wewek

<LarsG> +1

<Alejandra> +1

<RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

<Caroline> +1

<AndreaPerego> +1

<kcoyle> +1

<achille_zappa> +1

<annette_g> +1

<ByronCinNZ> +1

<PWinstanley> +1 or waiting

Resolved: let's wait a week for DCAT

<SimonCox> Is 'next week' monday?

<erics> +1 it should be noted that this is for the editor vote

<Caroline> V. Announcing the F2F at the University of Oxford on July 17-18 (see Oxford Attendance and logistics)

<Alejandra> I think it is actually Monday

F2F in Oxford, July

<RubenVerborgh1> SimonCox: when are the next decisions made? next meeting is Monday, right?

<annette_g> next Monday is too soon

<RubenVerborgh1> SimonCox: tripping over ourselves with short notice and deadlines

<mathieu> next monday is also bank holiday in England

<RubenVerborgh1> Caroline: next Monday is too soon, let's decide not next Monday, but the one after that

<erics> Monday June 5

<Present_Thomas> +1 on 5/6

<RubenVerborgh1> Is there a point in having a meeting at all next Monday? given short time in between

<RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to 5/6

<SimonCox> However - we have to be a bit careful about everyone's holidays ... THere will be a holiday most weeks in one place?

<PWinstanley> +1 for June 6th

<RubenVerborgh1> PROPOSED: deciding on editors on June 6th

<erics> Monday/Tuesday

<Caroline> PROPOSED: deciding on editors of DCAT on June 6th

<RubenVerborgh1> 6th is Tuesday? totally confused…

<annette_g> +1

<AndreaPerego> June, 6th, is Tuesday.

<Alejandra> June 5th

<SimonCox> June 5th is Monday

<ByronCinNZ> +1

<annette_g> GMT

<RubenVerborgh1> PROPOSED: deciding on editors of DCAT on June 5th 2PM UTC

<RubenVerborgh1> aargh

<erics> +1

<Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1

<mathieu> +1

<annette_g> +1

<RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

<Caroline> +1

<RubenVerborgh1> +1

<Present_Thomas> +1

<kcoyle> +1

<fanieli> +1

<newton> +1

<roba> +1

<LarsG> 0 (but as said it's a holiday)

<SimonCox> Lets stick to date and time in UTC

<SimonCox> +1

Resolved: deciding on editors of DCAT on June 5th 2PM UTC

<RubenVerborgh1> Caroline: back to F2F now

<annette_g> +1 to SimonCox

<RubenVerborgh1> Alejandra: could be good to know ASAP how many people tend to attend, for size of room (25)

<PWinstanley> I plan to attend

<erics> Will remote attendees be supported?

<Caroline> I plan to attend :)

<RubenVerborgh1> Alejandra: sent around hotels

<RubenVerborgh1> attendance doc: https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌wiki/‌Oxford_Attendance_and_logistics

<roba> would love to - but its a bit short notice for funding options.

<RubenVerborgh1> Phil: remote attendees will be supported

<erics> great, thank you!

<RubenVerborgh1> fanieli: how will F2F be different then what we're doing from week to week?

<RubenVerborgh1> Caroline: I see it as a marathon

<RubenVerborgh1> …2 days, very intense, lot of work, great work

<RubenVerborgh1> …still use IRC to document

<RubenVerborgh1> …also hands-on, write down ideas

<RubenVerborgh1> …discuss them, have as many resolutions as possible

<RubenVerborgh1> …go deeper, profound about things

<RubenVerborgh1> phila: meeting online is baffling until you get used to it

<RubenVerborgh1> …in a F2F, two important things happen

<RubenVerborgh1> …we get through a lot, intense discussion

<RubenVerborgh1> …but also, "there's no such thing as a virtual beer"

<Jaroslav_Pullmann> ;o)

<Caroline> +1 to "there's no such thing as a virtual beer" :)

<Present_Thomas> Lol

<RubenVerborgh1> …when you get together, you interact socially as well as professionally

<RubenVerborgh1> …group comes together much better after F2F

<erics> It is well worth it if you can attend! I'd rather visit Oxford :-)

<SimonCox> not just budget, also travel *time* which is large for some ...

<Alejandra> thanks, yes, Caroline told me about this - I hope it should be fine

<RubenVerborgh1> …satisfying and lot of fun

<RubenVerborgh1> Caroline: we can always have F2F in other places

setting the meeting time

<Caroline> VI. Setting regular meeting time

<RubenVerborgh1> Caroline: is always difficult

<RubenVerborgh1> …but let's discuss with group, we can change

<RubenVerborgh1> …It's a group discussion

<RubenVerborgh1> …we'll now follow the Doodle

<SimonCox> Doodle poll was clear. Monday 1400

<RubenVerborgh1> …if we decide to split in task forces, they can adjust

<RubenVerborgh1> phila: if the group splits, which is likely, those subgroups can have their own times

<phila> UCR

<RubenVerborgh1> Phil: set up the skeleton

<phila> RubenVerborgh1: Should the next meeting be on Monday on the week after that?

<phila> ... Its' very short notice if it's this coming Monday

<annette_g> didn't we just vote to wait a week?

<RubenVerborgh1> Jaroslav_Pullmann: should agree on some progress

<RubenVerborgh1> …are we going to merge the use cases out there?

<RubenVerborgh1> kcoyle: yes, you end up editing them into a coherent document

<roba> merge and group

<RubenVerborgh1> …let's use Monday to actually talk about use cases

<RubenVerborgh1> …possible that not every use case will end up there, because of duplication

<SimonCox> Current use-cases - https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌wiki/‌Use_Case_Working_Space

<kcoyle> AndreaPerego: even though there is overlap, you may want to keep most of them, and group them by categories

<RubenVerborgh1> Jaroslav_Pullmann: we should pertain the different areas that they are covering

<kcoyle> andrea: contributors maybe should indicate which of their use cases overlap or relate to other use cases

<Jaroslav_Pullmann> ok

<RubenVerborgh1> phila: I would recommend to work out early on criteria for relevance of use cases

<RubenVerborgh1> …will be edge cases, people will want this or that in

<Caroline> +1 to work out early on criteria for relevance of use cases

<RiccardoAlbertoni> it is probably useful to take a look to use cases document prepared in previous w3c working group just to get inspired.

<RubenVerborgh1> …document those criteria, can save a lot of hassle

<phila> Next Meeting Monday 5 June