Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

30 Mar 2017


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r12a, addison, fantasai, Najib
Felix, Steven
Addison Phillips


trackbot, prepare teleconference

<scribe> ScribeNick: addison


Action Items



<trackbot> action-596 -- Addison Phillips to Adjust the agenda to reflect use of uk time for meeting and update links to dateandtime -- due 2017-03-16 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/596

close action-596

<trackbot> Closed action-596.


<trackbot> action-600 -- Addison Phillips to Prepare and submit encoding refresh -- due 2017-03-16 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/600


<trackbot> action-604 -- Richard Ishida to Move the encoding tracking table to github so addison can update it -- due 2017-03-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/604

close action-604

<trackbot> Closed action-604.


<trackbot> action-605 -- Richard Ishida to Checks status of svg2 comments -- due 2017-03-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/605

richard: all still open
... svg work seems on hiatus

close action-605

<trackbot> Closed action-605.


<trackbot> action-606 -- Richard Ishida to Tell travis to go ahead removing bidi controls text from html5 and whatwg -- due 2017-03-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/606

close action-606

<trackbot> Closed action-606.

Info Share

<r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/tests/#css3-text-decor

richard: now have two sets of tests for test decoration
... a couple need some word tweaking
... line below "a bit lower" hard to test
... tests now there focused on i18n stuff
... a few exploratory tests
... note in spec says JP different from ZH
... put some exploratory for what I think should happen to mongolian
... writing tests takes time
... figure out how to write more efficiently
... took time to create a system to generate tests
... first fruit of that effort
... assertions still use same text as tests, etc.

fantasai: just switched to using WPT repo

richard: contribute our tests to platform
... this is a mechanism for how I create the files

fantasai: as far as assertion and instructions
... usually quite different
... text decoration sometimes have identical text for both
... pass condition can be more abstract, not useful assertion

richard stuck in properties and values automatically

scribe: instructions are "test passes if"
... and then may add something like "this is what happense for e.g. Japanese chars"
... not perfect but okay maybe?

<fantasai> CSSWG is meeting in Tokyo mid-April :)



HTML WG wants to close issue 470



okay by me

String in WHATWG



Content Model for Ruby Markup?

richard: make a work item?
... ttml is defining how ruby should work in their spec
... only slightly differently than others
... not the syntax, but the objects and how they relate
... we have a content model in ruby annotation spec
... have one in html
... and css ruby spec, which expects some stuff like tabular layout
... same ?? with ITS and webvtt
... would be nice to produce a document that says what elements you need and relationship?

addison: new version of ruby annotation spec??

richard: not sure

fantasai: happy to review

Can we publish Approaches to full justification

<najib> Yes

<r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/typography/justification.en

richard: publish as an article
... no objections?

najib: put a comment about tatweel
... it gives a better result
... gave some explanation
... tatweel is only possible for simple fonts
... not really an implementation of kashida

addison: changes required?

najib: no, just confirming what richard wrote
... mentioned this in ALReq

<scribe> ACTION: richard: publish Approaches to Full Justification as an article [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/03/30-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-607 - Publish approaches to full justification as an article [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-04-06].

Support for bidi in strings

<najib> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-discuss/notes/json-bidi

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-discuss/notes/string-base-direction.html

<r12a> add "we're seeing problems with this in more and more specs"

<r12a> add point that you should not have to use metadata always, only if first strong doesn't work

<scribe> ACTION: addison: send richard comments on string-base-direction document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/03/30-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-608 - Send richard comments on string-base-direction document [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-04-06].


Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: addison: send richard comments on string-base-direction document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/03/30-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: publish Approaches to Full Justification as an article [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/03/30-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

Summary of Resolutions

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