IRC log of i18n on 2017-03-30

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trackbot, prepare teleconference
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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be 4186
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Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 30 March 2017
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ok, trackbot
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Chair: Addison Phillips
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ScribeNick: addison
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Regrets: Felix, Steven
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I have made the request to generate addison
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15:06:56 [fantasai]
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present+ fantasai
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Topic: Agenda
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Topic: Action Items
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action-596 -- Addison Phillips to Adjust the agenda to reflect use of uk time for meeting and update links to dateandtime -- due 2017-03-16 -- OPEN
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close action-596
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Closed action-596.
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action-600 -- Addison Phillips to Prepare and submit encoding refresh -- due 2017-03-16 -- OPEN
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action-604 -- Richard Ishida to Move the encoding tracking table to github so addison can update it -- due 2017-03-30 -- OPEN
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15:11:51 [addison]
close action-604
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Closed action-604.
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action-605 -- Richard Ishida to Checks status of svg2 comments -- due 2017-03-30 -- OPEN
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15:12:14 [addison]
richard: all still open
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... svg work seems on hiatus
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close action-605
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Closed action-605.
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action-606 -- Richard Ishida to Tell travis to go ahead removing bidi controls text from html5 and whatwg -- due 2017-03-30 -- OPEN
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15:12:59 [addison]
close action-606
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Closed action-606.
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Topic: Info Share
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richard: now have two sets of tests for test decoration
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I have made the request to generate addison
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richard: a couple need some word tweaking
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... line below "a bit lower" hard to test
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... tests now there focused on i18n stuff
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... a few exploratory tests
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... note in spec says JP different from ZH
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... put some exploratory for what I think should happen to mongolian
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... writing tests takes time
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... figure out how to write more efficiently
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... took time to create a system to generate tests
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... first fruit of that effort
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minyutes', addison. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate addison
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richard: assertions still use same text as tests, etc.
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fantasai: just switched to using web tests
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richard: contribute our tests to platform
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s/web tests/WPT repo/
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... this is a mechanism for how I create the files
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fantasai: as far as assertion and instructions
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... usually quite different
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... text decoration sometimes have identical text for both
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... pass condition can be more abstract, not useful assertion
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richard stuck in properties and values automatically
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... instructions are "test passes if"
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... and then may add something like "this is what happense for e.g. Japanese chars"
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... not perfect but okay maybe?
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I have made the request to generate addison
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CSSWG is meeting in Tokyo mid-April :)
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Topic: Radar
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TOpic: HTML WG wants to close issue 470
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okay by me
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Topic: String in WHATWG
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Topic: Content Model for Ruby Markup?
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richard: make a work item?
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... ttml is defining how ruby should work in their spec
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... only slightly differently than others
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... not the syntax, but the objects and how they relate
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... we have a content model in ruby annotation spec
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... have one in html
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... and css ruby spec, which expects some stuff like tabular layout
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... same ?? with ITS and webvtt
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... would be nice to produce a document that says what elements you need and relationship?
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addison: new version of ruby annotation spec??
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richard: not sure
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fantasai: happy to review
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I have made the request to generate addison
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Topic: Can we publish Approaches to full justification
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15:42:02 [r12a]
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richard: publish as an article
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... no objections?
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ack najib
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present+ Najib
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najib: put a comment about tatweel
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... it gives a better result
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... gave some explanation
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... tatweel is only possible for simple fonts
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... not really an implementation of kashida
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addison: changes required?
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najib: no, just confirming what richard wrote
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I have made the request to generate addison
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najib: mentioned this in ALReq
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action: richard: publish Approaches to Full Justification as an article
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Created ACTION-607 - Publish approaches to full justification as an article [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-04-06].
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Topic: Support for bidi in strings
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I have made the request to generate addison
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15:56:53 [r12a]
add "we're seeing problems with this in more and more specs"
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add point that you should have to use metadata always, only if first strong works
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action: addison: send richard comments on string-base-direction document
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Created ACTION-608 - Send richard comments on string-base-direction document [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-04-06].
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s/should have to/should not have to/
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Topic: AOB?
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I have made the request to generate addison
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I have made the request to generate addison
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s/only if first strong works/only if first strong doesn't work/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate r12a
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zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been r12a, addison, fantasai, Najib
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 2 open action items saved in :
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ACTION: richard: publish Approaches to Full Justification as an article [1]
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recorded in
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ACTION: addison: send richard comments on string-base-direction document [2]
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recorded in