W3C

Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference

07 Feb 2017

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Attendees

Present
Joanmarie_Diggs, Bryan_Garaventa, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
Regrets
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
joanie

Contents


<clown> agenda: this

<scribe> scribe: joanie

(All) Specifying AAPI UIA interface in focus events table, and other mapping tables.

JS: Rich wanted me to write Bogdan about adding more UIA interfaces.
... I sent the email yesterday. I've not yet heard back.
... But it's not been that long.
... I think the email went out on the public list.

<clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2017Feb/0017.html

RS: You can poke Joanie or me if we need to follow up with him.

JS: The URL above is for the email I sent.

(Joanie) AX API mapping issues and testing.

JS: I have a feeling this item will come up every meeting.
... I just want a progress update.

RS: I did put some test cases in so Joanie can test and propose patches for WebKitGtk along with Safari.

JD: I was away and forgot to set up access to my Mac remotely. So I've not yet had time to work on that.

RS: Joseph, have you put in any Core AAM testable statements yet?

JS: I did add one for aria-describedby, but not under Core AAM.
... Should I have put it there?

RS: Yes, because it's not new to ARIA; it's new to UIA.

JS: I know have to do some AccName test cases too.
... While we're talking about this, I put in all the platforms. Do I need to?

RS: Just for description? No, because it's specific to UIA.

<clown> https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements#aria-describedby

JS: The URL for the example is above.

RS: You only need to do that one for UIA.

JS: So I can remove the other platforms?

RS: Yes.
... How is Stefan doing with his test cases?

JS: I've only got one notification, so I don't know if he's done a bunch at once or has more work to do.

ACTION-1732 (Michael, Joseph) Add conformance section to the Core-AAM.

<clown> action-1732?

<trackbot> action-1732 -- Michael Cooper to Work on conformance section for mappings (note there is a section, but change id=conformance so respec picks up) -- due 2015-10-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1732

JS: This is an old action assigned to Michael Cooper.
... I pinged him the other day.

<clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/522

<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/ACTION-1732/core-aam/core-aam.html#conformance

JS: He did it immediately and provided the pull request at the above URL.
... He added the section at the URL above.
... It looks pretty boilerplate to me. So I'm ok with it.

<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/ACTION-1732/core-aam/core-aam.html#features-deprecated-in-wai-aria

JS: He also added the features-deprecated section (see above URL).
... That's fine.
... Anyone else want to weigh in?

RS: That's fine.

JS: The AccName spec needs the same thing.
... I think I'll accept his changes, but ask him to provide something similar for AccName.

Triage issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23

<clown> issue-642?

<trackbot> issue-642 -- alt text computation should distinguish between nameFrom contents during root node calculation versus recursive calculation. -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/642

JS: This first one is something James Craig raised in 2014.
... (Reads from issue content)

RS: To me, this is a close WONTFIX.

JS: Agreed.

JD: Well.... Being on the receiving end of the result, there are times I tend to agree this concatenation is a bad idea.

RS: This will be a big discussion then.
... We can add it to the 1.2-list for now.

JS: I'll open a new issue in github.

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/523

<clown> issue-654?

<trackbot> issue-654 -- Add label and description changes to section "State and Property Change Events" -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/654

JS: I think we talked about issue-654 last week.

<clown> action-2130?

<trackbot> action-2130 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Determine if AX AXPI supports an event if the accessible description changes. -- due 2016-12-20 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2130

JS: This is now part of the AccName AAM.

JD: I didn't update the comment.

JS: Right, so we need to keep this open until you do.

JD: Sorry!

<clown> issue-654?

<trackbot> issue-654 -- Add label and description changes to section "State and Property Change Events" -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/654

<clown> issue-696?

<trackbot> issue-696 -- Glossary definition of "hidden" is inadequate -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/696

JS: Rich, you raised issue-696.

RS: What's the current definition?

JS: And I don't think this is a Core AAM issue. But I can get a link for you.
... The definitions are shared.

<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/

<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#terms

<clown> https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#dfn-hidden

RS: I would just close this. I'm ok with the definition.

JS: Done.

<clown> issue-737

<trackbot> issue-737 -- Determine platform mappings for new "term" role introduced in ARIA 1.1 -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/737

JS: This issue might already be done.

<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-term

JS: We have mappings for all of them (see above URL).
... I will close issue-737

<clown> issue-738

<trackbot> issue-738 -- UIA mapping for heading incorrect -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/738

JS: Issue 738 might be done too.

<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-heading

<clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Dec/0039.html

JS: I sent an email to Bogdan (see the above URL).
... No response from Bogdan, though Stefan wanted more information.
... I will ping Bogdan.

<clown> issue-1013?

<trackbot> issue-1013 -- Is there a need for an aapi event for aria-errormessage -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1013

JS: I raised issue-1013, but I'm not sure if it's relevant any more.
... Because it's tied to aria-invalid, events will be generated for every platform except UIA.

<clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Feb/0419.html

JS: But there's an email from James Teh (URL above).
... Anyway, what do people think?

JD: I think we already get spammed with text-changed and children-changed and ...

RS: And there's the live-region-related events.

JD: the subsequent IA2-list discussion led to the creation of new relations (right?)

JS: Yes, but not new events.
... That said, the consensus seems to be we have plenty of events.
... So I'm closing this issue.

<clown> issue-1024

<trackbot> issue-1024 -- Should status role be mapped to Status Bar? -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1024

<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-status

JD: I'm good with mapping it to ROLE_STATUS_BAR on my platform.
... It's not *exactly* a status bar, but it behaves close(ish) enough to one.

RS: And ATs can check the xml-roles object attribute.

JS: Ok, closing this one as WONTFIX

<clown> issue-1025

<trackbot> issue-1025 -- Drive mappings of the new enumerated type values for aria-haspopup -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1025

JS: I think issue-1025 is done.
... All actions are closed.
... Apple's done too.

RS: I think we're ok.

JS: Closing.

<clown> issue-1026

<trackbot> issue-1026 -- AAPI mappings for aria-errormessage -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1026

JS: I think this one is nearly done. The only one that is open is AXAPI.

RS: So now we have test cases for that, which Joanie had asked for.
... So she can do the implementation.

JS: Has this been moved to a github issue?
... I'll find the github URL, add it to the tracker issue, and then close the tracker action and issue.
... Is that OK with everyone?

(Crickets)

JS: That's what I'll do then.

<clown> issue-1038

<trackbot> issue-1038 -- Need mappings for role="feed", "figure", "term" for all AAPIs -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1038

JS: I think issue-1038 is in the same boat as the previous issue.
... All actions are closed.
... So I'll close this issue.

<clown> aria-1041

<clown> issue-1041

<trackbot> issue-1041 -- Need mappings of aria-colcount, aria-colindex, aria-colspan, aria-rowcount, aria-rowindex, and aria-rowspan for all AAPIs -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1041

JS: Issue 1041 is done too.

<clown> issue-1042

<trackbot> issue-1042 -- Need mappings for aria-details for all AAPIs -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1042

<clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Aug/0016.html

JS: Jason asked a question (see above URL).
... I answered him.
... The mappings should be there.

RS: Except for Mac.

JS: I guess we should leave this open since we're waiting on Mac.

RS: We have a github issue for it.

<clown> issue-673

<trackbot> issue-673 -- Need standard way to distinguish data tables from layout tables -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/673

JS: This doesn't look like an easy close.

JD: This isn't ARIA, but the issue described is a real issue.
... Different user agents do different things.
... If we want consistent exposure, then we probably need to prescribe it.

JS: I will move this to github (assuming there's not already a github issue).
... And file it against HTML-AAM.

JD: Sounds good to me as it's not ARIA.

Rich_Schwerdtfeger

<scribe> chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer

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